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Ostarine Questions

Fit1962 said:
Any idea how much lbm you added last time? You liking 20 more than 15?[/QUOTE

I put on 6 pounds LBM in the first cycle it was 6 weeks run though.
In the second cycle (week 5) I have put 2.5 pounds LBM so far.
yes I like 20 mg more than 15 mg, the reason for 20 mg in the second cycle is that I did not have any shutdown issue after the first one. I had a blood test done before and after the first cycle.
so I have decided to add more ostarine this time around.
How is your cycle going so far?
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Kendal07 said:
Fit1962 said:
Any idea how much lbm you added last time? You liking 20 more than 15?[/QUOTE

I put on 6 pounds LBM in the first cycle it was 6 weeks run though.
In the second cycle (week 5) I have put 2.5 pounds LBM so far.
yes I like 20 mg more than 15 mg, the reason for 20 mg in the second cycle is that I did not have any shutdown issue after the first one. I had a blood test done before and after the first cycle.
so I have decided to add more ostarine this time around.
How is your cycle going so far?
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I'm more curious as to why the higher dosing this time around appears to be less effective in the lbm department.
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I have gained less but I have not finished the cycle yet. Maybe training or diet can play a role in this too. Or receptors become less sensitive this time around, not sure on this.
 
Kendal07 said:
I have gained less but I have not finished the cycle yet. Maybe training or diet can play a role in this too. Or receptors become less sensitive this time around, not sure on this.
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Training and diet always play a role.

I have never seen any definitive info on androgen receptors becoming less receptive. Not that it isn't possible or the case but I myself haven't found anything on it. Maybe someone can chime in.
 
Fit1962 said:
Not to doubt Kendall at all, but was the 6lb gain lbm? Or was that a total gain?
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He stated lbm gain. So something he was doing apart from the ostarine itself is off in terms of actually doing or perhaps tracking methodologies. I also highly doubt that he will magically make up the 3.5 lbs he had in the first run in the next week. Ostarine I do not feel is all that potent of an anabolic from what I have been seeing from personal use thus far and I'm dosing 24 mg a day.
 
If this is a non-AAS, then one would have to take into account AR down-regulation. It's hotly debated, and it's why you see guys jumping between different test esters. SARMs should be no different.

Caprylic Acid might help in this regard, but research is scant. And there's that one study on carnitine and AR regulation after 21 days, but after reading about carnitine, one might as well pin it.
 
kissdadookie said:
He stated lbm gain. So something he was doing apart from the ostarine itself is off in terms of actually doing or perhaps tracking methodologies. I also highly doubt that he will magically make up the 3.5 lbs he had in the first run in the next week. Ostarine I do not feel is all that potent of an anabolic from what I have been seeing from personal use thus far and I'm dosing 24 mg a day.
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I agree here. There's gotta be a big difference in either the product used or diet/training. You don't do two cycles and the gain less on the stronger one. The upped dose should counteract any down regulation if that's even a thing here.
 
What do you all think about AR to ER crossover?? I did 25mg for 4weeks back in August, halfway through the month I came off test powder. About 3 weeks into ostarine I noticed nip sensitivity and some itching, slight puffiness, libido was shot the final week. Now I have slight gyno from puberty, didn't think ostarine would've exacerbated it. I took DAA and erase as pct. I could be paranoid but I think it made my existing gyno worse. Would nolva help in this situation?
 
booneman77 said:
I agree here. There's gotta be a big difference in either the product used or diet/training. You don't do two cycles and the gain less on the stronger one. The upped dose should counteract any down regulation if that's even a thing here.
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I have skipped my breakfast most of the time in the current cycle. I don't usually do breakfast but I made a big effort in the first cycle to have a breakfast to get most out of it.
So I am not worried about gaining weight this time around. Pump, fullness, strength gains all there this time.
 
Kendal07 said:
I have skipped my breakfast most of the time in the current cycle. I don't usually do breakfast but I made a big effort in the first cycle to have a breakfast to get most out of it.
So I am not worried about gaining weight this time around. Pump, fullness, strength gains all there this time.
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Ok so in the 6lbs the first go round there probably was some fat gain too with bulking. So you could still be on track this time with less fat gain and more lbm, if you are watching calories more this cycle.
 
The Engineer said:
If this is a non-AAS, then one would have to take into account AR down-regulation. It's hotly debated, and it's why you see guys jumping between different test esters. SARMs should be no different.

Caprylic Acid might help in this regard, but research is scant. And there's that one study on carnitine and AR regulation after 21 days, but after reading about carnitine, one might as well pin it.
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I am not so sure about this. I have only seen research that shows AR saturation and up-regulation but have not come across any that showed down regulation. IMO guys switch test because they are under the misconception that it will make a difference. Once the ester is cleaved test is test is test. Now obviously the ester changes how the blood levels will be effected and the amount of test per mg of the compound as different esters have different weights but apart from that I think any real benefit is psychological.

Not to mention if the person takes time off between two osta cycles the likelihood of any AR down regulation(if it actually happens) still lingering after a sufficient break is highly unlikely. Also the body has many ways to slow the gains during a cycle outside of AR down or up regulation.
 
BCseacow83 said:
I am not so sure about this. I have only seen research that shows AR saturation and up-regulation but have not come across any that showed down regulation. IMO guys switch test because they are under the misconception that it will make a difference. Once the ester is cleaved test is test is test. Now obviously the ester changes how the blood levels will be effected and the amount of test per mg of the compound as different esters have different weights but apart from that I think any real benefit is psychological.

Not to mention if the person takes time off between two osta cycles the likelihood of any AR down regulation(if it actually happens) still lingering after a sufficient break is highly unlikely. Also the body has many ways to slow the gains during a cycle outside of AR down or up regulation.
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^^^^^^ This 100% The downregulation is a very bad myth. It is from the body increasing myostatin levels to slow the muscle accumulation. Myostatin regulates how fast tissue can be acquired.
 
Fit1962 said:
Ok so in the 6lbs the first go round there probably was some fat gain too with bulking. So you could still be on track this time with less fat gain and more lbm, if you are watching calories more this cycle.
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Yes watching calories this time more. I had a couple of compliments yesterday in the gym and outside the gym about my gains and look.
 
TeamTGB said:
^^^^^^ This 100% The downregulation is a very bad myth. It is from the body increasing myostatin levels to slow the muscle accumulation. Myostatin regulates how fast tissue can be acquired.
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I agree and also feel it has to do with a "set point" for lack of a better term. Say you start at 200lbs. You add in compound X at 300mg/week. You grown to 215. You now have the natural gains you started with and 15lbs enabled by the 300mg of compound X. It is illogical to think 300mg of compound X will keep adding 15lbs over and over. If that was the case you would never see guys upping the dose. You get so far beyond your genetic natural limit that a certain amount of hormone does nothing more than maintain. I hope I am explaining this clearly but you guys get the idea.
 
Kendal07 said:
Yes watching calories this time more. I had a couple of compliments yesterday in the gym and outside the gym about my gains and look.
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Outside of those that compete in weight classed sports or contests we almost all would be better off trading in our scales in exchange for more mirrors. I would strongly wager that we would all have better physiques as a result.
 
Exactly the farther you get from your natural limit the more you need to use for minimal return. Its sad but that's the way it is.
 
TeamTGB said:
Exactly the farther you get from your natural limit the more you need to use for minimal return. Its sad but that's the way it is.
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It is a universal truth in life. The faster or larger your vehicle the more it costs in fuel and maintenance. The larger your house the greater the utility bill. Get super big and have to buy plus sized clothes that will cost more too. In everything you have to pay to play. The question is how much you want to spend, money, health, and freedom wise?
 
Just started Celtic ostabol cycle today .. Going to run 20mg 6-8 weeks depending on how I feel at 6. Looking to recomp I'll keep you guys posted weekly on progress.
 
papapudgy said:
Just started Celtic ostabol cycle today .. Going to run 20mg 6-8 weeks depending on how I feel at 6. Looking to recomp I'll keep you guys posted weekly on progress.
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Speaking of recomp, I've lost about 4ish pounds in the past week or so. Mainly because I'm vacationing from work (not really a real vacation vacation) and diet has been chit. Have not eaten nearly enough (though I have essentially zero hunger issues), strength doesn't seem to have taken a dip though, not sure if I can really give the ostarine the credit for that though (almost done with the first 30 days).

At this rate, I'm contemplating running the 1-andro RX I have on hand with a little bit of 4-andro RX. Perhaps run the super tren I have... Or just go through finishing the second bottle of the ostarine.
 
kissdadookie said:
Speaking of recomp, I've lost about 4ish pounds in the past week or so. Mainly because I'm vacationing from work (not really a real vacation vacation) and diet has been chit. Have not eaten nearly enough (though I have essentially zero hunger issues), strength doesn't seem to have taken a dip though, not sure if I can really give the ostarine the credit for that though (almost done with the first 30 days).

At this rate, I'm contemplating running the 1-andro RX I have on hand with a little bit of 4-andro RX. Perhaps run the super tren I have... Or just go through finishing the second bottle of the ostarine.
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Super Tren sounds delicious, but the host of prolactin problems are keeping me back.

You're probably slightly suppressed anyways so you can jump right in then run a heavy pct.
 
The Engineer said:
Super Tren sounds delicious, but the host of prolactin problems are keeping me back.

You're probably slightly suppressed anyways so you can jump right in then run a heavy pct.
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I don't think you end up with that much actual Tren after the conversion though. So prolactin shouldn't be much of an issue. I have vitex and l-dopa so I should be good. ;)
 
Today is the end of my second week on ostarine 15mg. Everything so far seems fine. Nothing major noticed, maybe more pump and fullness. I'm not eating much over maintenance, maybe an extra 300/day mostly protein. I would rather see less lean mass and at the same time less fat gained. But as far as suppression who knows. I thought suppression was supposed to happen quickly, but this morning, at 52 yrs old, I woke up so hard I thought I was going to explode it was awesome! :)
 
Fit1962 said:
Today is the end of my second week on ostarine 15mg. Everything so far seems fine. Nothing major noticed, maybe more pump and fullness. I'm not eating much over maintenance, maybe an extra 300/day mostly protein. I would rather see less lean mass and at the same time less fat gained. But as far as suppression who knows. I thought suppression was supposed to happen quickly, but this morning, at 52 yrs old, I woke up so hard I thought I was going to explode it was awesome! :)
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That could be due to possible rise in estrogen levels (estrogen isn't necessarily bad).
 
Fit1962 said:
So is this when I need to begin to watch for estrogen sides? And when would I start formabolic, if I did so?
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Nah, you're good. Don't worry about the sides, be concerned when they do appear, but don't stress it if everything is currently above board.
 
Fit1962 said:
But by the time you have these, aren't you past the point of something like formabolic?
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Not necessarily. Forma will quell these symptoms. I like exemestane because within days it just stops them in their tracks. Tomato tomahto.
 
Starting into my 3rd week today and backed down from 25mg to 20mg. I was feeling "off" about 2 weeks into it. I'm feeling better now and strength today was way up.

So I feel like I'm loosing fat all over but gaining it around my love handles. I also teared up watching the hunger games this weekend. I think my e is starting to raise lol
 
blurryimage said:
Starting into my 3rd week today and backed down from 25mg to 20mg. I was feeling "off" about 2 weeks into it. I'm feeling better now and strength today was way up. So I feel like I'm loosing fat all over but gaining it around my love handles. I also teared up watching the hunger games this weekend. I think my e is starting to raise lol
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as long as you use the tears to lube up while you jack it to Jennifer Lawrence it's all ok. Man card still firmly in hand ha
 
Finishing up 6 weeks at 25 mg. First 4 were absolutely awesome, was absolutely crushing it in the gym, great pumps etc then came the lethargy and loss of libido. Couldn't even get it up today (but yesterday I had sex twice). 2 weeks ago I started taking el1m1nate cuz I started getting puffy nipples. That helped a lot.. I haven't been getting the muscle busting pumps either. Should I finish this week up or jump right into pct? I was planning on going 8 weeks so I literally just ordered my Clomid today so I won't get it until next week probably.

Should I just start a otc put with daa and an Ai? Or lower my dose until the clomid comes in?
 
same as me, first 4 weeks, awsome, then it went downhill. I would start pct after 4 weeks, and I would have a rather positive review of ostarine, but I continued on, felt more and more crap and lost the little gains I got. So I should have done a 4 week cycle, with pct, then another later instead, but everybody is different, so one never knows.

For me an AI containing arimistane, dosed 75mg-100mg daily took over max E levels down to under minimum in one week, from there I justt tapered off.
I also added l dopa to counter high prolactin aswell.
I used nolva(tamoxifen) eod for about a week, more to to boost test levels quick, than to block estrogen.
 
kissdadookie said:
Make sure you're not just subjecting yourself to paranoia first. Lulz.[/QUOTE

Lol yeah, when people say sensitive nipple, just what does that mean? I'll wait another day or so and see if it changes. Just seemed when I touched them this morning, I could "feel" the touch a few seconds afterward. Kinda hard to explain. But they aren't puffy.
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Fit1962 said:
kissdadookie said:
Make sure you're not just subjecting yourself to paranoia first. Lulz.[/QUOTE

Lol yeah, when people say sensitive nipple, just what does that mean? I'll wait another day or so and see if it changes. Just seemed when I touched them this morning, I could "feel" the touch a few seconds afterward. Kinda hard to explain. But they aren't puffy.
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Pretty sure when you get issues, it's going to be pretty obvious. A lot of people on the other hand gets paranoid and end up playing with their nipples a lot, that causes irritation to the nipples (nipples on guys are still relatively sensitive spots on the body after all) and that may cause them to turn red and even get a little puffy, but that's most likely because they keep playing with the flipping things. :P
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kissdadookie said:
Fit1962 said:
Pretty sure when you get issues, it's going to be pretty obvious. A lot of people on the other hand gets paranoid and end up playing with their nipples a lot, that causes irritation to the nipples (nipples on guys are still relatively sensitive spots on the body after all) and that may cause them to turn red and even get a little puffy, but that's most likely because they keep playing with the flipping things. :P
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Lol understood. I've never liked my nipples played with so I don't touch them. I thought they just felt different this morning as my arm brushed one. But as you say, could be paranoia. Yet then again, I did have morning wood that woke me up again last night! Lol
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You'll know when you have legit sensitivity. It's very obvious. It'll either be itchy or sore ALL the time, not just when you're playing with them ha.
 
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