NurseGrays Mind and Muscle Extreme Stack Log

guido6701 said:
Ok so I know I'm late, but, NG you did well. Numbers never lie, right? And those numbers definitely went up. Well done, friend.
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Thank you much!
 
From what Im told more than .5ml a dose is overdosing. If you start to smell like ammonia cut it back.
 
Ascic1 said:
From what Im told more than .5ml a dose is overdosing. If you start to smell like ammonia cut it back.
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I will have to look further into it but I had no side effects from 2ml in am and 2ml in pm for a six week period. Someone else correct me if Im wrong
 
Abe Lincoln said:
It says not go over 4ml in a day
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Thanks for the further clarification. I defiantly did not smell like ammonia! If 0.5ml was overdosing I would have been consuming 8x the recommended dose. Since that is not the case I feel much better about life. Im pretty thorough on what I take and Im 100% I would have noticed that before I started.
 
You're supplementing with THYROID HORMONE. Overdosing means potential thyroid shut down. 6 month time line to get it back in working order. MORE IS NOT BETTER. The man that formulated it himself nearly bitched slapped me when I told him I took 1ml. Take as directed. .5ml a dose.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Blood test time I guess lol.. Thought t2 isn't steroidal like t4 or powerful like t3.
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Well Honestly Im a Medical Professional. I understand what Thyroid Stimulating Hormone does to the body. I ran this log successfully over a 5 week period. I tapered my dosages accordingly and I have had no physical side effects except losing body fat. No abnormal thermogenics. Rapid or irregular heartbeat, chest pain, shortness of breath, leg cramps, headache, nervousness, irritability, sleeplessness, tremors or any other noticeable side effect. I shall be ok. Thanks for the concern though.
 
Yeah I figured you were all good.. M&M doesn't really carry anything that hardcore so didn't expect this to be some kind of thyroid killer lol.
 
But science advances and there is a new thyroid hormone, T2. T2 has 2 Iodide atoms, T3 has 3, and T4 has 4. As the body removes these Iodide atoms from the hormone it becomes more active.

The studies on rats had it dosed equivalent as T3 for suppressing high TSH down to a normal range. TSH would be elevated in a thyroid deficiency so this means that T2 is equivalent as T3 on a mg for mg basis for treating thyroid disorder.

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This would suggest the more iodine it loses, the more active it becomes and stimulates the thyroid at the same level as T3. Gotta remember you messing with the dosing of a synthetic hormone and not creatine. The risk/reward ratio gets higher the more you use.
 
Ascic1 said:
But science advances and there is a new thyroid hormone, T2. T2 has 2 Iodide atoms, T3 has 3, and T4 has 4. As the body removes these Iodide atoms from the hormone it becomes more active.

The studies on rats had it dosed equivalent as T3 for suppressing high TSH down to a normal range. TSH would be elevated in a thyroid deficiency so this means that T2 is equivalent as T3 on a mg for mg basis for treating thyroid disorder.

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This would suggest the more iodine it loses, the more active it becomes and stimulates the thyroid at the same level as T3. Gotta remember you messing with the dosing of a synthetic hormone and not creatine. The risk/reward ratio gets higher the more you use.
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Thanks you for your concern. I still do not feel that this short of a time span is going to do irreparable damage. I can certainly understand long term usage.

As far as the articles mentioned. I am 100% stating for the record that I support MindandMuscle.com and there products. Period. That being said even mindandmuscle.com states

Nothing in this article or on this site should be considered medical advice or as an endorsement to violate any law of the country in which you reside. The information given is for fun and entertainment purposes only. All claims are 100% dependent upon proper diet and exercise. Please consult a medical practitioner prior to any diet and exercise program.

"This means T2 is a thyroid supplement like the prescription T4 and T3 but without the side effects and more benefit according to these studies."

"T2 needed 4 times the dosage as T3 for elevating GH levels, so in this regard it is effective but not as effective as T3."

Aside from all this information. I stand confident that Dr. Todd Lee will support me in saying that safety and response depends on the individual. Everything should be done in moderation and EVERY medication effects the individual differently. Just because I experienced no side effects does not mean someone else will.

I have dosed T2 with a taper and gauged cause and effect every step of the way. These logs are meant as a case study for testing that can not be conducted. None of these supplements are regulated and you have to trust 100% in the companies you support.

The effects of T2 to the body are a mere fraction to what PH and other supplements and/or OTC medication such as tylenol can and does do to your body.
 
I'm just looking out for you man. Youre completely right. These supplement logs will serve to be case studies but the average user wants to know what the prescribed dose does. I dont see very many people using 4ml a day. With that said, I foresee the labels on the bottles will be changed in the near future bringing down the maximum dose per day. Just a little inside scoop I was givin ;)
 
Just my imput. I ran the 4 ml protocol for a month wig no ill effects.
 
Ascic1 said:
I'm just looking out for you man. Youre completely right. These supplement logs will serve to be case studies but the average user wants to know what the prescribed dose does. I dont see very many people using 4ml a day. With that said, I foresee the labels on the bottles will be changed in the near future bringing down the maximum dose per day. Just a little inside scoop I was givin ;)
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If it was that effective I'd doubt it would still be legal. Just my .02 cents
 
I need to get me some T2 !!
 
0.3ml twice daily.
 
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