Ostarine Questions

blacklac said:
The legitimacy of OTC Osta has crossed my mind. But I'm curious what it could be. I feel I had undeniable results and like zero side effects. I have pretty noticeable side effects from 1-DHEA, even.
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Me too.What were your sides with 1-dhea if i may ask?
 
I think the big thing to remember is everyone is different. I ran 8 weeks, 15 mgs and ran a D aspartic and liver formula proceeding. 13 lb gain, libido diminished slightly but no gyno signs (knock on wood).

Guess it also helps to really know the brand as well.
 
13lbs! I ran 8 weeks and gained massive 2,5 lbs in the first 4 , then lost libido, vascularity and got high e and prolactin symptoms the next 4, and lost the 2,5 lbs.. Even before pct i started to look worse. But after 1 week of pct i got better. After 4 weeks of arimistane, and l dopa i went from low. T, high E and P, to low E normal P and close to max total T and free T . Vascularity is great, lost alot of water and fat, while maintaininv weight. Meaning i got more out of e and p control than the cycle. Considering many have had great gains on brawn o bol, i dont blame the product, it just did not work for me.
 
woodbear said:
13lbs! I ran 8 weeks and gained massive 2,5 lbs in the first 4 , then lost libido, vascularity and got high e and prolactin symptoms the next 4, and lost the 2,5 lbs.. Even before pct i started to look worse. But after 1 week of pct i got better. After 4 weeks of arimistane, and l dopa i went from low. T, high E and P, to low E normal P and close to max total T and free T . Vascularity is great, lost alot of water and fat, while maintaininv weight. Meaning i got more out of e and p control than the cycle. Considering many have had great gains on brawn o bol, i dont blame the product, it just did not work for me.
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What?
 
Does Ostarine raise DHT?
Trying to figure out what some shedding of hair is being caused by.

Getting me some special shampoo.
 
From my experience i had 10 in pct for four weeks along with nolva and it was great. My friend ran 15 for 6 weeks with only super pct after and he is doing great a few months later. I'd recommend lower dosages for people. I will try 20 next. You get great mood right away and you lean out while gaining some muscle with no sides. I think the recommended dosages for people should be lower than 25-30 imo if people are getting too bad sides, hut i have not tried that personally.
 
simpler :
Someone gained 13lbs on osta! I ran 8 weeks and gained massive 2,5 lbs in the first 4 , then lost libido, vascularity and got high e and prolactin symptoms the next 4, and lost the 2,5 lbs.. in other words, osta did not agree with me :-)

Bloodwork is waay back in this thread.
 
woodbear said:
simpler :
Someone gained 13lbs on osta! I ran 8 weeks and gained massive 2,5 lbs in the first 4 , then lost libido, vascularity and got high e and prolactin symptoms the next 4, and lost the 2,5 lbs.. in other words, osta did not agree with me :-)

Bloodwork is waay back in this thread.
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Much clearer haha. Sorry it didn't work for you. What brand?
 
If you have observed some erect nipples, and a small 'lump' underneath the nipple; will Tamoxifen & an Ai (formeron) reverse these symptoms?
 
jarod86 said:
If you have observed some erect nipples, and a small 'lump' underneath the nipple; will Tamoxifen & an Ai (formeron) reverse these symptoms?
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if you have a lump you probably need letro and Nolva. Formeron won't be strong enough to remove something, only to stop/slow it.
 
Eeysh with this... Raloxifene. But go to a doctor and show him. Enough with us playing Dr. House.

Whatever ostarine is, it's not worth it.
 
The Engineer said:
Eeysh with this... Raloxifene. But go to a doctor and show him. Enough with us playing Dr. House. Whatever ostarine is, it's not worth it.
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Thanks.
Should I finish pct first (another 4-6 weeks) before I see the Doc? This might be best as he's gonna want bloods...
 
jarod86 said:
Thanks.
Should I finish pct first (another 4-6 weeks) before I see the Doc? This might be best as he's gonna want bloods...
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IMO, both. Tell him you're in PCT, get bloods done to make sure your ancillaries are working, then get bloods again a few weeks after PCT. This is to be extra careful. Some people don't even do this for PHs, but better safe than sorry.
 
The Engineer said:
Eeysh with this... Raloxifene. But go to a doctor and show him. Enough with us playing Dr. House.

Whatever ostarine is, it's not worth it.
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I am just throwing out an idea here. The doses used in the study were very low, I think 3mg was the highest amount. Perhaps we are using this compound wrong. It was shown to prevent muscle wasting and while that does not exactly describe a BB trying to add mass it does in a way describe a dieting BB. Now I realize muscle loss due to strict kcal restriction is different than muscle wasting due to chemo or disease perhaps this is the direction we should be looking towards. What I am postulating is the idea that low dose ostarine say 5mg maybe 10mg max would be of some benefit during a cutting phase. Used as an anti-catabolic rather than an anabolic.

I would love to see someone who has dieted for shows before or someone who has been a realistic 8% before and knows what it takes use ostarine at a low dose for 12 weeks and give their feedback if it helped retain muscle. Bloods would be nice to as we would hope the effects on labs would be FAR less with 5mg a day vs 20-30.

Im do for saome lab work soon perhaps I will try this. At 5mg a day the cost is so little it could be a nice addition. You have people spending 30-60 a month on anti-catabolic type supps that this might fit the bill for far less coin.
 
BCseacow83 said:
I am just throwing out an idea here. The doses used in the study were very low, I think 3mg was the highest amount. Perhaps we are using this compound wrong. It was shown to prevent muscle wasting and while that does not exactly describe a BB trying to add mass it does in a way describe a dieting BB. Now I realize muscle loss due to strict kcal restriction is different than muscle wasting due to chemo or disease perhaps this is the direction we should be looking towards. What I am postulating is the idea that low dose ostarine say 5mg maybe 10mg max would be of some benefit during a cutting phase. Used as an anti-catabolic rather than an anabolic.

I would love to see someone who has dieted for shows before or someone who has been a realistic 8% before and knows what it takes use ostarine at a low dose for 12 weeks and give their feedback if it helped retain muscle. Bloods would be nice to as we would hope the effects on labs would be FAR less with 5mg a day vs 20-30.

Im do for saome lab work soon perhaps I will try this. At 5mg a day the cost is so little it could be a nice addition. You have people spending 30-60 a month on anti-catabolic type supps that this might fit the bill for far less coin.
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There was a report anecdotally that low dose for a week reduced t levels about half. (3 or so scaled to 10 mg through a period of a week).

So imho if you're going to use it, might as well reap as much anabolism from the compound as possible.
 
BCseacow83 said:
I am just throwing out an idea here. The doses used in the study were very low, I think 3mg was the highest amount. Perhaps we are using this compound wrong. It was shown to prevent muscle wasting and while that does not exactly describe a BB trying to add mass it does in a way describe a dieting BB. Now I realize muscle loss due to strict kcal restriction is different than muscle wasting due to chemo or disease perhaps this is the direction we should be looking towards. What I am postulating is the idea that low dose ostarine say 5mg maybe 10mg max would be of some benefit during a cutting phase. Used as an anti-catabolic rather than an anabolic.

I would love to see someone who has dieted for shows before or someone who has been a realistic 8% before and knows what it takes use ostarine at a low dose for 12 weeks and give their feedback if it helped retain muscle. Bloods would be nice to as we would hope the effects on labs would be FAR less with 5mg a day vs 20-30.

Im do for saome lab work soon perhaps I will try this. At 5mg a day the cost is so little it could be a nice addition. You have people spending 30-60 a month on anti-catabolic type supps that this might fit the bill for far less coin.
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That's a fine idea BUT one person not responding how they wanted does not negate the TONS of other positive runs with Osta. That is one person's results out of thousands of users
 
The way I am looking at it is this. There might not be a whole lot of "real anabolism" to be had here no matter the dose. We have one report of low dose lowering test by 50%. That is not great of course. We need more data on this. Second for discussions sake I would like to see the effects on lipids and liver enzyme levels with low vs high dose. If all you get is more sides going up in dose and really no greater anabolism then to me going for gains with it is not worth it. Also consider that plenty of people run cycles while dieting and use compounds that do not give them anymore gains and are used for the sole purpose of retaining muscle. These compounds are also suppresive.
 
kissdadookie said:
There was a report anecdotally that low dose for a week reduced t levels about half. (3 or so scaled to 10 mg through a period of a week).

So imho if you're going to use it, might as well reap as much anabolism from the compound as possible.
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I agree here... especially during cutting when your hormones are goingt o take a hit as it stands, the ability to maintain certain levels of hormonal balance would be paramount. I would think that at a low dose, you would do more damage then good since you would still suppress natural hormones, but not replace them with enough to maintain all of your functions.
 
Spaniard said:
That's a fine idea BUT one person not responding how they wanted does not negate the TONS of other positive runs with Osta. That is one person's results out of thousands of users
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I am not arguing that osta is worthless by any means. I have ran it, will run it and plan on buying more. What I am saying is that when you start to get labs that come back worse with high dose than low dose and the gains are not significantly better than maybe the compound is better used as an anti-catabolic type product. While we have 1000's of satisfied users we still have very little lab work. For instance if labs on 25mg osta look the same as say 25mg of Msten you might as well use the msten. I have no evidence to prove this would be the case but I am interested in any that would disprove it. I would love to see labs from someone who ran various DS and compare them to that users osta lab work.

This compound interests me more than the vast majority of the DS out there. Hormones are hormones to a great degree, they all have similarities and their individual nuances. Ostarine on the other hand is an entirely new compound and I am simply exploring possibilities and ways to use it. I have no desire for osta to work one way or another, other than well!

Many of my posts are simply me talking/typing out loud.
 
BCseacow83 said:
The way I am looking at it is this. There might not be a whole lot of "real anabolism" to be had here no matter the dose. We have one report of low dose lowering test by 50%. That is not great of course. We need more data on this. Second for discussions sake I would like to see the effects on lipids and liver enzyme levels with low vs high dose. If all you get is more sides going up in dose and really no greater anabolism then to me going for gains with it is not worth it. Also consider that plenty of people run cycles while dieting and use compounds that do not give them anymore gains and are used for the sole purpose of retaining muscle. These compounds are also suppresive.
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To me its less a question of gains vs sides so much as its a question of suppression relative to your goal. If cutting, you don't want any suppression (or you must replace it).
 
booneman77 said:
I agree here... especially during cutting when your hormones are goingt o take a hit as it stands, the ability to maintain certain levels of hormonal balance would be paramount. I would think that at a low dose, you would do more damage then good since you would still suppress natural hormones, but not replace them with enough to maintain all of your functions.
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No dose of osta is ever going to replace all the functions of the test it suppresses. Loss of the androgenic effects of test in the body are hard to replace with osta. You are not going to counter the loss of test and dht with more osta.
 
booneman77 said:
To me its less a question of gains vs sides so much as its a question of suppression relative to your goal. If cutting, you don't want any suppression (or you must replace it).
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This would mean that any cycle that does not include test should never be used during a cutting phase? While I personally feel that under ideal circumstances any cycle should include test there are a large amount of cutting cycles that are run all the time sans any test compound.
 
BCseacow83 said:
I am not arguing that osta is worthless by any means. I have ran it, will run it and plan on buying more. What I am saying is that when you start to get labs that come back worse with high dose than low dose and the gains are not significantly better than maybe the compound is better used as an anti-catabolic type product. While we have 1000's of satisfied users we still have very little lab work. For instance if labs on 25mg osta look the same as say 25mg of Msten you might as well use the msten. I have no evidence to prove this would be the case but I am interested in any that would disprove it. I would love to see labs from someone who ran various DS and compare them to that users osta lab work.

This compound interests me more than the vast majority of the DS out there. Hormones are hormones to a great degree, they all have similarities and their individual nuances. Ostarine on the other hand is an entirely new compound and I am simply exploring possibilities and ways to use it. I have no desire for osta to work one way or another, other than well!

Many of my posts are simply me talking/typing out loud.
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Absolutely man, good posts in general
 
Like I said I will be getting some labs done in the next month or so. Currently running follidrone and PA. Will run both for a total of two months. I have clomid and ralox going as well. After I get my labs I will run osta at 10mg for two months and get some labs. That should give us at least one more set of labs to work with. Any chance you guys will ever do a LGD-4033 product?
 
Hey I just wanted to chime in here and say that I'm almost done with week 4 at 20mg my libido is sky high I am gaining a harder physique energy is up no estro related sides I am up 5 lbs on a recomp diet and strength is up in just about every lift. I would say 20mg is the sweet spot. I felt the pump almost instantly and every thing else slowly came on after. This is a 100% unbiased statement to. My company doesn't produce this product and I think there is a lot of merit to it just like anything your mind had a lot to do with how your body feels. And if you are constantly trekking your self that you feel shut down odds are you will feel like crap.
 
BCseacow83 said:
This would mean that any cycle that does not include test should never be used during a cutting phase? While I personally feel that under ideal circumstances any cycle should include test there are a large amount of cutting cycles that are run all the time sans any test compound.
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not how I meant it at all but it does come off that way. I mean more in the sense that the important functions to your cut (high metabolism, nutrient petitioning, etc) all need to stay. A low dose of osta doesn't have a track record of these levels if one has a good natural baseline.
 
booneman77 said:
not how I meant it at all but it does come off that way. I mean more in the sense that the important functions to your cut (high metabolism, nutrient petitioning, etc) all need to stay. A low dose of osta doesn't have a track record of these levels if one has a good natural baseline.
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I better understand what you mean now.
 
**** I thought I unsubscribed lol.

Doing dat meow.
 
Can't say I've noticed much yet from ostarine thus far... Wondering if I should cut the run short and just finish this bottle. Unless gains come 4+ weeks in...
 
bought some hawthorn berry , bd is under control now , so far so good - not any positve improvements yet
I am on 2 weeks exactly
 
Fit1962 said:
I thought from all I've read that more happens in weeks 4-6 than earlier?
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Who knows. So many varying experiences. You have some saying that the first 4 weeks was great and the next 4 was pointless. Some say it kicks in after 3 weeks.
Haven't decided if I want to run the second bottle yet, we shall see
 
kissdadookie said:
Who knows. So many varying experiences. You have some saying that the first 4 weeks was great and the next 4 was pointless. Some say it kicks in after 3 weeks. Haven't decided if I want to run the second bottle yet, we shall see
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not even pumps or fullness? A lot of things I've read state they see almost immediate pumps and fullness within a few days.
 
I am a week and 2 days in. I'm running 10mg in the morning and 15mg at 5 pm before the gym and pumps are crazy with fullness. No strength gains yet.
 
booneman77 said:
not even pumps or fullness? A lot of things I've read state they see almost immediate pumps and fullness within a few days.
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I just now finished my first week at 15mg. I really thought i noticed more pump yesterday, looking fuller. I was working back with chinups. After I finished my arms and delts just looked much more full than usual. They weren't tight necessarily, ie full of blood, but just looked bigger. I thought maybe a placebo effect, but just looked different to me.
 
booneman77 said:
not even pumps or fullness? A lot of things I've read state they see almost immediate pumps and fullness within a few days.
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I thought there may have been some of that but it's not that drastic so kind of hard to tell if it contributed to it or this is just generally normal (I'm pretty vascular as is and I down plenty of carbs peri workout so pumps were never a concern). Maybe it takes longer? Not sure.

No sides of note though, so I suppose that is a positive.
 
kissdadookie said:
I thought there may have been some of that but it's not that drastic so kind of hard to tell if it contributed to it or this is just generally normal (I'm pretty vascular as is and I down plenty of carbs peri workout so pumps were never a concern). Maybe it takes longer? Not sure.
No sides of note though, so I suppose that is a positive.
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No sides here either. I actually do low carbs, so maybe the pump was true. I did receive my formabolic yesterday. But no need to use I t if there are no sides?
 
Fit1962 said:
I just now finished my first week at 15mg. I really thought i noticed more pump yesterday, looking fuller. I was working back with chinups. After I finished my arms and delts just looked much more full than usual. They weren't tight necessarily, ie full of blood, but just looked bigger. I thought maybe a placebo effect, but just looked different to me.
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I am second ostarine cycle at week 5 and the first and the second cycles are identical somehow , at the end of first week pump and fullness is noticeable , and week 3 I felt the strength gone up, after week 4 I have started putting more LBM.
 
Kendal07 said:
I am second ostarine cycle at week 5 and the first and the second cycles are identical somehow , at the end of first week pump and fullness is noticeable , and week 3 I felt the strength gone up, after week 4 I have started putting more LBM.
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Good to know! How much are you using?
 
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