After preaching real food for years....

Supplements are advances to health.

What's the point of living longer if you have dementia and can't remember who your family is and you're loaded with arthritis from head to toe?
 
Well then just kill yourself before you become weak than lol idk what you want. Not everyone suffers from those things.
 
hahaha..

I know what you're saying and you're right. People do live longer. But there is an epidemic going on with a lot of things. The people living older now are the people that were born in the 1920's, 1930's, 1940's. Our generation might be a different ball game. From drugs people have done in their teenage years to all the McDonalds we've eaten from when we were 5 years old and to top it all off......our stress levels today are enormous.

It's hard to say if this will continue for our generation. The old timers were tougher and more immune to things. You sneeze and fart now and get rushed to the emergency room. Time's have changed. Haha.
 
So the last generation was more immune to things than the later more evolved generation.. Reverse evolution? Genetically we should be more superior and immune to things that our old generation feared. Thing is viruses are evolving as well.
 
Viruses are evolving for sure. People have become scared of bacteria.

Think about it. Our old timers weren't constantly using anti-bacterials like the way everyone does today. I'm against that stuff. Bacteria is good to have in your system. Any time you kill all the bacteria on your hands, that's not good. Whatever happened to just soap and water? We can take different ethnicities. Whether they're Chinese, Mexican, etc. These people don't get easily sick because they were use to playing outside in the dirt. If food falls to the ground, you're raised to pick it up and eat it. Foods not to be thrown away in other parts of the world. But all that creates a stronger person. Our old timers that lived through the Great Depression were similar.
 
People are not that afraid of bacteria if they are eating all this ****ing yogurt and **** now a days lol. Eating **** off the ground is an eh eh thing to me. Have to think of all the junk that has been on the floor like piss, dirt from shoes, dog crap.. Obviously to some degree we are getting weaker but in some ways better.
 
All these yogurts are good bacteria. A lot of ancient cultures use to consume so much good bacteria that it had the density of an actual organ in their body. A friend of mine who is a doctor was telling me that when you take antibiotics, to make sure to eat a greek yogurt with it so it can at least put the good bacteria back in your body.

At the end of the day yes, to some degree better or worst. Good chatting with you Abe.
 
I do not know the statistics but I see the point SteelCity is trying to make. Simply the fact the average lifespan has increased does not necessarily mean we are better off as a species (relatively speaking as that point could be interpreted many different ways). The quality of one's life is a consideration as well.
 
I'll be honest that even after lifting serious for 20+ years, competing in multiple areas, and generally being very up on my health- I was somewhat naive about food production, sourcing, etc. That was until I had kids and then started really diving in to better understand what is getting put into the foods they get. We would be considered very healthy eaters by most standards and probably about typical around here. While we do not get freakish over every little thing, it definitely opened our eyes and we are very aware of what we consume now, trying to source as best we can.
 
For a lot of people out there, even one scoop of protein per day makes hitting their daily protein goal so much easier and keeps their diet more realistic. Just gotta make sure its good protein :)
 
You guys can't deny the fact that people were building bodies way before computers and supplements and so forth. Back in those times, do you really think they were counting macros? Do you think they thought they had to eat every 2 hours? They had a meal when they felt hungry. Many of these men and women worked long days and they would eat breakfast, Lunch, and dinner. With a snack thrown in during the day to give them some added nourishment. They didn't look at their watch and say "Oh boy Its been two hours so now I have to eat again."

They didn't worry about their supplements either because there wasn't anything. But when they did eat, they ate feasts filled with meats, fish, bread, vegetables and cheese. They would hunt for their food, and they would make sure to eat as well as possible. Lots of protein. These men knew how to survive and had strong muscles with low bodyfat because they would run and walk while hunting for their food. Up hills, down hills, and through mountainous terrain. Then they would carry 150-200 pound animals with their own back!

You don't have to eat every 2 ****ing hours to build muscle. You don't have to eat 6 times a day either. Eat when you are hungry and listen to your body.

Now we are more educated and know that eating every 2 hours can be beneficial. But is it necessary? History tells us no.
 
I'm not really sure that muscles is what I would call what out ancestors had. If we are talking hunter/gather.. Muscle needs a lot calories to maintain, so fat would of been the best option for survival.
 
They built their own homes with an axe. We now use that movement as an exercise to work on abs in the gym. You should know all about this honest Abe ;)
 
QUADMONSTER said:
Now we are more educated and know that eating every 2 hours can be beneficial. But is it necessary? History tells us no.
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Beneficial to eat every 2 hours for what?
Lesser Muscle Protein synthesis?
Unless you are on a good amoutn of supplements that increased your p ratio to the 9th degree and on jay cutlers stack than maybe. but for most of us meals spaced 4-6 hours have shown to be a bit better for overall muscle protein synthesis and allowing protein levels to reach their refractory stages before being spiked again

but i feel you, too many people focus on thinking they need to eat every X hour or Y amoutn of meals a day when in reality not so much their caloric intake is what matters most, meeting micronutrients, proper fat/protein/fiber minimums

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Look at guys (Im talking about guys who do this for a living) many of them when they are bulking do not even count macros. From experience they know how much they need to eat and of what. The only time counting macros is the most important is when you are cutting.

Do you agree with me here?
 
QUADMONSTER said:
Look at guys (Im talking about guys who do this for a living) many of them when they are bulking do not even count macros. From experience they know how much they need to eat and of what. The only time counting macros is the most important is when you are cutting. Do you agree with me here?
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Part of that is because they know in their mind approx how much they are taking in by what foods they eat and what the macros are. Without tracking mine I still come in around 2-300 of my goal. Someone who doesn't have a clue and doesn't track can be 1-2000 over. Now if you are straight bulking with no regard to how much you take in then sure. Me, I like gradual gains where I keep everything in check and keep my bf under 11-12%. Then cutting becomes easy and no change to my diet other than volume per portion.
 
Just experiment until you figure out what works and then stick to it like a habit. When you eat the same chit every single day at the same exact time, there's no reason to count anything because it's the same chit day in and day out. Makes it incredibly convenient as well.
 
As long as you are bulking at .05 to 1.0 pound per week you are good to go. Just pay attention to the scale. Use the brain that you were given is what I say. Look at yourself in the mirror. Take pictures to keep track of yourself!

When bulking have a couple meals per week where you enjoy certain foods you can't eat on a cut! Eat Ben and Jerrys Ice Cream and Brownies :)

I was in line last Friday and I saw that the Little Debbie Christmas Tree's came out. I grabbed one and enjoyed it :)
 
QUADMONSTER said:
As long as you are bulking at .05 to 1.0 pound per week you are good to go. Just pay attention to the scale. Use the brain that you were given is what I say. Look at yourself in the mirror. Take pictures to keep track of yourself!

When bulking have a couple meals per week where you enjoy certain foods you can't eat on a cut! Eat Ben and Jerrys Ice Cream and Brownies :)

I was in line last Friday and I saw that the Little Debbie Christmas Tree's came out. I grabbed one and enjoyed it :)
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i was delighted to see the red velvet cake inside...mmmmm
 
I'm right there with you kisaj. With the price of "clean, whole food" protein powder is the way to go for me and my family too. We have been keeping it at an acceptable level lately, but, it's tough at times. It's still cheaper to eat clean in the long run.
 
Yep, I mean, we don't have to eat this way but have committed to it and decided eating right was worth making little cuts in other areas if needed. Grass fed beef, organics, etc.. We cook full meals with dinner every night and have started a pretty good size garden and have been splitting a cow with my brother for awhile, but still need to add to that every week.

I don't think we have seen a grocery bill under $300-350 a week for our family of 4 in years.
 
Well, ours is half of that but when I factor in supps - well, I work a lot of extra duty. But - it's still cheaper than eating out and paying huge bills at the doctor, hospital, etc. and leaving my children with the end of life costs.
 
guido6701 said:
Well, ours is half of that but when I factor in supps - well, I work a lot of extra duty. But - it's still cheaper than eating out and paying huge bills at the doctor, hospital, etc. and leaving my children with the end of life costs.
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Eating out is so expensive that it certainly helps support our decisions to make meals and know what we are getting.
 
kisaj said:
Yep, I mean, we don't have to eat this way but have committed to it and decided eating right was worth making little cuts in other areas if needed. Grass fed beef, organics, etc.. We cook full meals with dinner every night and have started a pretty good size garden and have been splitting a cow with my brother for awhile, but still need to add to that every week.

I don't think we have seen a grocery bill under $300-350 a week for our family of 4 in years.
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i cut back on costs by planting a garden....besides how do you know it's organic if you don't grow it yourself?
 
kisaj said:
Eating out is so expensive that it certainly helps support our decisions to make meals and know what we are getting.
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This
10$ for a burrito at chipolte. No thanks
go to applebees 15$ for chicken/potato/veggie entree
Outback is like 18$ for a decent sirlion + Veggie entree

No thanks... 10$ for 5lbs of chicken
2-3$ for a pound of broccoli
5$ for 10 pounds of potatoes

haha
 
The Solution said:
This
10$ for a burrito at chipolte. No thanks
go to applebees 15$ for chicken/potato/veggie entree
Outback is like 18$ for a decent sirlion + Veggie entree

No thanks... 10$ for 5lbs of chicken
2-3$ for a pound of broccoli
5$ for 10 pounds of potatoes

haha
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hothouse tomato's $2.99lb......one beefsteak plant under $5, usually at least 40lbs per plant, per year.

top that!!!
 
I would say the bottom line is: Everything in Moderation

But selecting a good, clean filtered protein can not hurt. :)

Also, forgot who mentioned it, but yes, our ancestors use to not time when to eat and they were beasts by nature. They use to walk miles a day and do hard labor. Their lower backs were like tree stomps. At the end of the day just listen to your body. I had a guy tell me a few years back (who's in his 50's and use to be a gymnast), "you don't need all that protein" and I said, "yes, I do". He goes to me, "what's the strongest animal in the jungle?" (like a d!ck I said the lion) and he goes to me "the gorilla. And what does the gorilla eat? Bananas!" Interesting philosophy.
 
STEELCITY said:
I would say the bottom line is: Everything in Moderation

But selecting a good, clean filtered protein can not hurt. :)

Also, forgot who mentioned it, but yes, our ancestors use to not time when to eat and they were beasts by nature. They use to walk miles a day and do hard labor. Their lower backs were like tree stomps. At the end of the day just listen to your body. I had a guy tell me a few years back (who's in his 50's and use to be a gymnast), "you don't need all that protein" and I said, "yes, I do". He goes to me, "what's the strongest animal in the jungle?" (like a d!ck I said the lion) and he goes to me "the gorilla. And what does the gorilla eat? Bananas!" Interesting philosophy.
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Great story but we don't have primate genetics :D
 
STEELCITY said:
I would say the bottom line is: Everything in Moderation

But selecting a good, clean filtered protein can not hurt. :)

Also, forgot who mentioned it, but yes, our ancestors use to not time when to eat and they were beasts by nature. They use to walk miles a day and do hard labor. Their lower backs were like tree stomps. At the end of the day just listen to your body. I had a guy tell me a few years back (who's in his 50's and use to be a gymnast), "you don't need all that protein" and I said, "yes, I do". He goes to me, "what's the strongest animal in the jungle?" (like a d!ck I said the lion) and he goes to me "the gorilla. And what does the gorilla eat? Bananas!" Interesting philosophy.
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In north america the bear is one of the strongest. Grizzly and polar eat plenty of protein and they are strong as chit. Going by the same logic my truck is pretty strong an runs on gas maybe I should drink that too lol. (Don't drink gas kids.)
 
STEELCITY said:
I would say the bottom line is: Everything in Moderation

But selecting a good, clean filtered protein can not hurt. :)

Also, forgot who mentioned it, but yes, our ancestors use to not time when to eat and they were beasts by nature. They use to walk miles a day and do hard labor. Their lower backs were like tree stomps. At the end of the day just listen to your body. I had a guy tell me a few years back (who's in his 50's and use to be a gymnast), "you don't need all that protein" and I said, "yes, I do". He goes to me, "what's the strongest animal in the jungle?" (like a d!ck I said the lion) and he goes to me "the gorilla. And what does the gorilla eat? Bananas!" Interesting philosophy.
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LOL. Another vegan hippy with a flawed outlook. Bananas in the wild are VASTLY different to those found in a supermarket Invalid Link Removed

These are very fibrous. Which we, of course (as detailed below) struggle to digest.

People never consider the digestive tract differences when they compare a chimp to a person, nor do they understand the volumious amount of food required for a gorilla per day.

We simply cannot extract, with any degree of effectiveness, calories from fibrous plants whereas a gorilla can. Our gut in all actuality reflects that more of an omnivore as our intestinal surface volume is smaller than that of a primate (less villi). We also do not possess adequate enzymes that break down the beta acetal linkages that occur in a cellulose polymer. Other animals have the symbiotic bacterium needed.

I should also add that a typical Gorillas intake makes it appear as though it is low fat (a diet high in plants would, to a human, be low fat) but a gorilla is able to process the fiber and turn it into SCFA and thus their intake is actually high fat (roughly 60%). Our microflora is different as well.

I could literally go on and on about this. Vegetarian diets make zero sense unless for religious or ethical reasons.
 
Jiigzz said:
LOL. Another vegan hippy with a flawed outlook. Bananas in the wild are VASTLY different to those found in a supermarket Invalid Link Removed

These are very fibrous. Which we, of course (as detailed below) struggle to digest.

People never consider the digestive tract differences when they compare a chimp to a person, nor do they understand the volumious amount of food required for a gorilla per day.

We simply cannot extract, with any degree of effectiveness, calories from fibrous plants whereas a gorilla can. Our gut in all actuality reflects that more of an omnivore as our intestinal surface volume is smaller than that of a primate (less villi). We also do not possess adequate enzymes that break down the beta acetal linkages that occur in a cellulose polymer. Other animals have the symbiotic bacterium needed.

I should also add that a typical Gorillas intake makes it appear as though it is low fat (a diet high in plants would, to a human, be low fat) but a gorilla is able to process the fiber and turn it into SCFA and thus their intake is actually high fat (roughly 60%). Our microflora is different as well.

I could literally go on and on about this. Vegetarian diets make zero sense unless for religious or ethical reasons.
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I'm by far, NOT a vegan. I have my protein drinks daily and try to eat quality meat. I just mentioned the philosophy that was expressed to me by an old gymnast. Years ago everyone was not eating protein to get big. They'd just eat. As for us being omnivores, that's not entirely true. A humans teeth structure says it all. It isn't designed for shredding meat. It probably is more designed for fruits and vegetables. A lion on the other hand has the teeth structure for shredding meat and the digestive enzymes to dissolve bones. Don't forget, we eat to live. Animals live to eat. I did think we always ate the same bananas though
 
STEELCITY said:
I'm by far a vegan. I have my protein drinks daily and try to eat quality meat. I just mentioned the philosophy that was expressed to me by an old gymnast. Years ago everyone was not eating protein to get big. They'd just eat. As for us being omnivores, that's not entirely true. A humans teeth structure says it all. It isn't designed for shredding meat. It probably is more designed for fruits and vegetables. A lion on the other hand has the teeth structure for shredding meat and the digestive enzymes to dissolve bones. Don't forget, we eat to live. Animals live to eat. I did think we always ate the same bananas though
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Our teeth are not nearly flat enough to grind down cellulose adequetly nor are our colons developed to deal with plant matter.

We are not carnivores so comparing ourselves to one is shortsighted as is comparing ourselves to a herbivore.

Omnivore isnt technically correct either

Edit: as mentioned, a gorilla eats a plant based diet but yet has a high fat intake, if we did the same it would just be a high fiber diet as we cannot make SCFA from fiber like a gorilla can.
 
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