Dosing BPS Adrenosurge

avega17

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Should I stop all stims completely? Anything else to avoid while taking this, like ALCAR or Agmatine? Looking for mental clarity and better sleep.

Thanks.
 
you don't have to but i found if not using stims dosing just pre bed worked better IMO. the point of it is to use coming of stims to restore your tolerance more.

i would try (epic non stim pwo combo idea for you)

AdrenoSurge
+
PES High Volume :) +CDP Citicoline 500mg + 1000mg ALCAR + ABE or Forskolin 95/Reform.

Sleep wise

Chlorotest + Dopadex + AdrenoSurge

can't go wrong.
 
You don't have to drop stims, most people notice they require less from their stimulants for the same results while using them in conjunction with AdrenoSurge.

I can't think of anything off the top of my head that you should ensure you avoid.
 
Is this fine to take in the evening? or is there a chance any of the ingredients can keep you awake?
 
As said above, there are no ingredients that should keep you from falling asleep. In fact, I found the opposite to be true when taken before bed.
 
You guys are actually saying that Rhodiola isn't a stimulant? That is crazy. Plus, bacopa acts as a stimulant in a lot of people as well.
 
kisaj said:
You guys are actually saying that Rhodiola isn't a stimulant? That is crazy. Plus, bacopa acts as a stimulant in a lot of people as well.
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I believe that effect is determined by dose in Rhodiola. I've never had a stimulant effect from AdrenoSurge.
 
Adaptogens will have different effects on people, but bacopa definitely energizing for me. If I, or my wife, take it after 4pm, I have trouble sleeping.
 
Going to take my first dose tomorrow morning and see how I react it. I will also continue to take pre-workout (currently 2 caps of Uncut, which I believe is just above 200mg of caffeine, stacked with High Volume) and try and minimize any other caffeine, usually 1-2 espressos and 1-2 cups of tea a day down to 1 and 1 max. Feedback coming soon
 
I'm not saying that they can't have stimulant effects, but at the doses in adrenosurge it should primarily provide relaxation benefits.

Some people may be more sensitive than others, but most people have reported it helped them fall asleep.
 
kisaj said:
Adaptogens will have different effects on people, but bacopa definitely energizing for me. If I, or my wife, take it after 4pm, I have trouble sleeping.
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you are indeed exceptional:wink1:
 
What's the half-life of the ingredients in here? I'm thinking about dosing 1 AM and 1 5-6 hours later mid-day.
 
kisaj said:
Adaptogens will have different effects on people, but bacopa definitely energizing for me. If I, or my wife, take it after 4pm, I have trouble sleeping.
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Same here. Small doses of Rhodiola completely preclude sleep for me.
 
bioman said:
Same here. Small doses of Rhodiola completely preclude sleep for me.
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we already knew you were exceptional....

maybe it is the combination of ingredients that causes "MOST" people including me to sleep better on adrenosurge.


have you tried taking it earlier in the day?
 
I have actually. I was experiementing with Rhodi over a decade ago and ran it through it's paces pretty thoroughly. Large doses do cause sedation but not necessarily good sleep for me. Pretty amazing herb, all in all.

And yeah, I'm an outlier with many supplements. I do like the AdrenoSurge ingredient profile and will get around to trying it soon.
 
You actually are not an outlier when it comes to your reaction to Rhodiola and/or bacopa. It is well known that smaller doses act as a stimulant and larger doses are sedating. There is no getting around that. As mentioned, perhaps it is the combination that makes some people be able to take this product before bed.

In any case, it really doesn't matter. I am such a huge proponent of adaptogens that I would support any company or product that is bringing it to consumers and they can make the decision of when to take it. I think they are incredibly important herbs.
 
In total agreement that lower doses of rhodiola are very stimulating (at least for me). However, one thing to consider is that the rhodiola in adrenosurge is standardized to 8% rosavins (where most other products are 3% rosavins and 1% salidrosides). We don't know the amount of salidrosides in it. So, in addition to the rhodiola dose and combination of other ingredients, the percent standardization of the rhodiola in this product could also be a factor in its effects.
 
Took my first two doses yesterday and I can say that I experienced some mild sedative effects, very positive. The pre-bed dose did not keep me up. I think I'm going to try an AM dose and a mid-day dose for comparison.
 
kisaj said:
You actually are not an outlier when it comes to your reaction to Rhodiola and/or bacopa. It is well known that smaller doses act as a stimulant and larger doses are sedating. There is no getting around that. As mentioned, perhaps it is the combination that makes some people be able to take this product before bed. In any case, it really doesn't matter. I am such a huge proponent of adaptogens that I would support any company or product that is bringing it to consumers and they can make the decision of when to take it. I think they are incredibly important herbs.
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I am very interested in adaptogens and these ingredient. Do you know of any good websites or materials I could read up on to learn more?
 
bioman said:
I have actually. I was experiementing with Rhodi over a decade ago and ran it through it's paces pretty thoroughly. Large doses do cause sedation but not necessarily good sleep for me. Pretty amazing herb, all in all.

And yeah, I'm an outlier with many supplements. I do like the AdrenoSurge ingredient profile and will get around to trying it soon.
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matt [dsade] is one of the best formulators in the business, imo....the combination of ingredients in adrenosurge work in conjunction with one another better than individual ingredients alone...i know he did his homework on adrenosurge!!!

i can ask bulk perf if he would be willing to send you a bottle, if you like?
 
avega17 said:
Took my first two doses yesterday and I can say that I experienced some mild sedative effects, very positive. The pre-bed dose did not keep me up. I think I'm going to try an AM dose and a mid-day dose for comparison.
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Good news :) Keep us posted!
 
avega17 said:
I am very interested in adaptogens and these ingredient. Do you know of any good websites or materials I could read up on to learn more?
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I generally go to examine.com. They may not always get their analysis right IMO, but they at least compile all of the relevant research in one spot for ease of use :)
 
Misfit28 said:
I generally go to examine.com. They may not always get their analysis right IMO, but they at least compile all of the relevant research in one spot for ease of use :)
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I'm on there all the time, gonna look into each ingredient a little more then. Thanks.
 
Took my mid-afternoon dose today, it's great, I think I will continue like this instead of at night.

Also, I have noticed a little bit of reduced soreness upon waking with the AM dose. Will see if this continues
 
Rhodiola is hands down one of the best recovery herbs you can take. Stress relief, better sleep ( 6 hours feels like 8), all day energy, and recovery.
 
kisaj said:
Rhodiola is hands down one of the best recovery herbs you can take. Stress relief, better sleep ( 6 hours feels like 8), all day energy, and recovery.
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Definitely gonna look into some bulk powder once I get through adrenosurge.
 
kisaj said:
Rhodiola is hands down one of the best recovery herbs you can take. Stress relief, better sleep ( 6 hours feels like 8), all day energy, and recovery.
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Absolutely, you can also use it during a stim break to mitigate the effects of caffeine withdrawal :)
 
I just wanted to report back here with some of my progress.

The calmness that I get from this supplement is mild, but very noticeable. I really enjoy this aspect. As far as the stim tolerance reduction, what I have noticed is that stimulants aren't necessarily more effective (as in I need less to achieve the same effect); however, at the same stimulant dosage, I achieve the same focus without feeling a bit cracked out. It's sort of a calmer, "in the zone" focus and I'm not even dosing the stims near the adrenosurge. At the same time, I have decreased my total daily caffeine intake and have not felt any negatives in cognition or alertness (if anything I am more calm and alert).

I have also been noticing a small reduction in soreness from the previous days session upon my AM dose. Now, this may be coincidental, because just walking around and getting blood flow to the area after sleeping for hours may also ameliorate the DOMS. I have been dosing this in the AM and then around early afternoon or evening; I prefer this much better than pre-bed as I can enjoy the effects while I'm still awake and the calmness carries over into falling asleep.

Overall, the mood aspects of this product are great. I was not expecting the calmness I have experienced and look forward to running through the bottle.

I wonder if a higher dose (2 caps) or an extra cap spread out throughout the day would be even better?
 
Awesome thoughts so far, man! Glad to see you are enjoying it :)

I can't recommend anything beyond the label directions as far as dosing, but you are free to experiment ;)

Thanks so much for sharing your experiences with this great product!
 
avega17 said:
I just wanted to report back here with some of my progress.

The calmness that I get from this supplement is mild, but very noticeable. I really enjoy this aspect. As far as the stim tolerance reduction, what I have noticed is that stimulants aren't necessarily more effective (as in I need less to achieve the same effect); however, at the same stimulant dosage, I achieve the same focus without feeling a bit cracked out. It's sort of a calmer, "in the zone" focus and I'm not even dosing the stims near the adrenosurge. At the same time, I have decreased my total daily caffeine intake and have not felt any negatives in cognition or alertness (if anything I am more calm and alert).

I have also been noticing a small reduction in soreness from the previous days session upon my AM dose. Now, this may be coincidental, because just walking around and getting blood flow to the area after sleeping for hours may also ameliorate the DOMS. I have been dosing this in the AM and then around early afternoon or evening; I prefer this much better than pre-bed as I can enjoy the effects while I'm still awake and the calmness carries over into falling asleep.

Overall, the mood aspects of this product are great. I was not expecting the calmness I have experienced and look forward to running through the bottle.

I wonder if a higher dose (2 caps) or an extra cap spread out throughout the day would be even better?
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Great feedback, thanks for posting your experience!
 
I have just got back from a holiday in Thailand and had a bottle of this awaiting me on my return. Need something to help my body recover from the abuse it has suffered the past 2 weeks lol. I tried a pre bed dosage and interfered with my sleep and gave me crazy dreams. I'm gonna stick to 1 mid morning and 1 early evening. So far nothing huge noticeable, however I do notice the calmness that others have mentioned
 
dbenj7 said:
I have just got back from a holiday in Thailand and had a bottle of this awaiting me on my return. Need something to help my body recover from the abuse it has suffered the past 2 weeks lol. I tried a pre bed dosage and interfered with my sleep and gave me crazy dreams. I'm gonna stick to 1 mid morning and 1 early evening. So far nothing huge noticeable, however I do notice the calmness that others have mentioned
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tweak the dosing amount and times to suit your needs...a calming effect can be a good thing, imo...you just need to adjust the timing for when it is most beneficial.
 
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