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Too much arm work?

jaces said:
Lactic acid causes muscle damage ,, and ofcoarse they train in reps lower than 10?? And they do the rep as fast as possible so they are missing out on TUT as well?
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Lactic acid does not cause muscle damage. Reps are not done as fast as possible. The concentric is done as fast as possible, but the eccentric is going to vary from person to person. TUT is only a factor and not the deciding portion on the efficacy of a set.
jaces said:
And I didnt say bad technique I said focusing on the muscle you want to work , wich with pure strength training is not a concern because you want to use every muscle in the chain to generate maximum power
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If you're trying to work a specific muscle and you're doing a set at a point which you cannot contract said muscle, then you have bad technique. You're equating pure strength to only 1RM, which is a false measurement of strength. You can argue that a 3RM is more indicative of strength as a 1RM is something that requires a perfect storm of technique, peaking, and arousal. 1RM is something that is generally left and decided on the platform and not in the gym.
 
Well put rodja.
Jaces, when you male reference to tut and speed, I believe you're mistaking a powerlifter's training with a technique we use, the dynamic effort.
 
I have the opposite problem, always seem to neglect arms. I put all my effort into Squats, Deads, Kickboxing, sled-work and sledgehammers, etc. and then feel too exhausted to do arms.

Sucks because as my torso, legs, and neck grow my arms look like that of a T-rex's. Ahh well, as long as they're strong enough to jerk it, all is good. Amirite?
 
Rodja said:
Lactic acid does not cause muscle damage. Reps are not done as fast as possible. The concentric is done as fast as possible, but the eccentric is going to vary from person to person. TUT is only a factor and not the deciding portion on the efficacy of a set.
If you're trying to work a specific muscle and you're doing a set at a point which you cannot contract said muscle, then you have bad technique. You're equating pure strength to only 1RM, which is a false measurement of strength. You can argue that a 3RM is more indicative of strength as a 1RM is something that requires a perfect storm of technique, peaking, and arousal. 1RM is something that is generally left and decided on the platform and not in the gym.
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See know this is were I get confused because just the other day you told me a slower eccentric will negatively impact strength because of the golgi stretch receptor or something in that line?? So know I ask you why do you change your mind all the time , and from a rep point of view is the optimal tut 45-60sec so thats more muscle endurance than muscle strength
 
dbrock504 said:
Bro you're a moron. I try not to bash on AM but come on... You're advice is vague and irrelevant to the OP. He clearly knows how to eat with ~18.5" arms. Train for strength when in doubt? Dude, read more, post less.
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Jeezzz lol way to lose your cool. Are you really trying to talk **** about me recommending to train for strength?

The reasons my answers have been a bit vague is because I keep seeing this exact same thread. "Why aren't my arms growing?" "what can I do to help my arms get bigger?" And the person that posts this has probably already tried everything. Not to mention it would have been easier to just use the search function. So like I said before genetics is key. And most of you know this.

I feel like the most legitimate answer was the guy that recommended synthol that'll make your arms bigger lol
 
liftandeat said:
Jeezzz lol way to lose your cool. Are you really trying to talk **** about me recommending to train for strength?

The reasons my answers have been a bit vague is because I keep seeing this exact same thread. "Why aren't my arms growing?" "what can I do to help my arms get bigger?" And the person that posts this has probably already tried everything. Not to mention it would have been easier to just use the search function. So like I said before genetics is key. And most of you know this.

I feel like the most legitimate answer was the guy that recommended synthol that'll make your arms bigger lol
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Haha lol get them oil arms ,, but one thing people must remember is he is asking for an opinion on the topic and not a science exhibition ,so a poster is just posting his views,exp and opinion
 
jaces said:
See know this is were I get confused because just the other day you told me a slower eccentric will negatively impact strength because of the golgi stretch receptor or something in that line?? So know I ask you why do you change your mind all the time , and from a rep point of view is the optimal tut 45-60sec so thats more muscle endurance than muscle strength
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How exactly am I changing anything? I said the eccentric is going to vary as you will see a variety of styles. An intentional and excessively slow eccentric is going to reduce the GTO and stretch-reflex, but the actual time spent on the eccentric on a ME is going to vary from person to person. Some people dump the bar on bench and rebound it (e.g. Dan Green) while others do a more controlled eccentric (e.g. Brandon Lilly). It's a personal choice based on comfort and not done with much beyond that. You're assigning way too much importance on TUT as though it's the only thing that can cause hypertrophy. It's the easiest and most humbling way to increase overload, but far from the only method available.
 
Look at Matt Kroc, Stan Efferding, Johnnie Jackson.. all bodybuilders who started as powerlifters. Not a one of them with small biceps.. and I assure you they didn't have a dedicated arm day.
 
hooah47 said:
Look at Matt Kroc, Stan Efferding, Johnnie Jackson.. all bodybuilders who started as powerlifters. Not a one of them with small biceps.. and I assure you they didn't have a dedicated arm day.
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But look at their legs and back width compared to guys like jay , eric frankhouser , tom platz or big ramy?? Johny has some legendary traps but falls short on legs and back width,, but I dont expect a powerlifter to be as muscular as a bodybuilder and a bodybuilder to be as strong as a. Powerlifter
 
jaces said:
But look at their legs and back width compared to guys like jay , eric frankhouser , tom platz or big ramy?? Johny has some legendary traps but falls short on legs and back width,, but I dont expect a powerlifter to be as muscular as a bodybuilder and a bodybuilder to be as strong as a. Powerlifter
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The point is that substantial growth is attainable through powerlifting based training.. I'm not by any means saying bodybuilders methods don't work. Change is good. That's the point. Constant overload will build muscle, dense muscle. I would argue that powerlifters attain a greater density. Many will disagree. Dial back volume and get string for a while. Sometimes it's good to go back to the basics. Build your body's overall capacity, then make a transition back to isolated work.
 
Again, I think too much emphasis is put on the strength vs. hypertrophy differences in powerlifting vs. bodybuilding. It isn't like you are going to see 90% strength vs. 10% size difference or vv. The real difference is going to be like 55% strength vs. 45% hypertrophy one way or the other.

To look at specific individuals and make comparisons is pointless. You can do the same among just one group. i.e. - amongst bodybuilders, some may train the same way and lift the same weights but have varying bodyparts that are larger than their counterpart that is doing the same thing almost. Both are training for "hypertrophy" but both have slightly different outcomes. Or, two bodybuilders who look almost the same may have very different capabilities from a strength standpoint.

The bottom line is, that when you look at an individual, a stronger muscle is a bigger muscle - eventually. I may be able to add 10-20 pounds to my bench press through neurological improvements, but at some point I will be unable to improve my neurological drive any further and/or the muscle fibers will not be able to support the load properly, and hypertrophy MUST take place. This also seems to follow with the anecdotal evidence that we hear time and time again when someone says, "I was getting stronger but not putting on any weight for 3-4 months, then suddenly, as if overnight, I just gained 5 pounds".
 
Elephant in the room: Ronnie. Roots in PL and lacking mass, width, or density in anything. He even wore a fracking squat suit in his videos.
 
Rodja said:
Elephant in the room: Ronnie. Roots in PL and lacking mass, width, or density in anything. He even wore a fracking squat suit in his videos.
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Um....sarcasm? The guy was a beast and looked like a bodybuilder when he was powerlifting....
 
Rodja said:
Complete sarcasm.
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lol, I thought so....but wasn't sure if I missed the point...haha. I was thinking ...was Ronnie small before he started bodybuilding? I had to go double check youtube videos and photos of when he was a powerlifter, haha.
 
There's a host of the new wave of raw lifters that look more like BB'ers (Green, Frankl, Byrd) than traditional PL'ers. Everyone gets an image of the multi-ply SHW and 308 classes when that's only a fraction of the lifters.
 
All good points and I agree that its good to go back. To basics , but one guy beats ronnie in upper body presses , marcus ruhl could incline bb bench 6 plates a side for 10 clean reps ,, I mean thats 580 pounds if the bar was an olimpian bar and he never did pl
 
jaces said:
All good points and I agree that its good to go back. To basics , but one guy beats ronnie in upper body presses , marcus ruhl could incline bb bench 6 plates a side for 10 clean reps ,, I mean thats 580 pounds if the bar was an olimpian bar and he never did pl
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What's your point about someone being to do a certain amount on a Smith machine?
 
I see everyday kids 30 lbs lighter than me and quite smaller in stature move much more weight than I can. Far too many think that the weight they move equates to their stature. It's not apples to apples...
 
David Dunn said:
I see everyday kids 30 lbs lighter than me and quite smaller in stature move much more weight than I can. Far too many think that the weight they move equates to their stature. It's not apples to apples...
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I would say it depends on if you care about how much you can lift , but would agree with you
 
How about ruhl bench pressing 210 db's for 10 reps? Or his 500pound shoulder press? Give credit were credit is due
 
jaces said:
How about ruhl bench pressing 210 db's for 10 reps? Or his 500pound shoulder press? Give credit were credit is due
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No doubt he is strong, but I'm still trying to figure out why you brought it up?
 
I do my biceps about once every other week to failure. I can accomplish damn near failure in less then 10 sets very easily.
 
BICEPS: work all muscle fibers
Standing Curl: 4 x 6(heavy)
Preacher Curl: 4 x 12
Standing DB Curl: 3 x 20

TRICEPS:
Close Grip Bench: 4 x 8
Skull Crushers: 4 x 10
Standing Extension: 4 x 12 superset with Rope Extensions 4 x 15 holding the last rep for 5 seconds
Most important thing is to squeeze/flex the muscle between sets
 
If your arm volume is greater than your leg volume, you're doing it wrong
 
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