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Blowing It UP with Msten, Epi and Tren

tommurph said:
Hey who's thread are we own? Oh eddiez! Sorry for the detour Ed!
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No prob! I wish I was here for the comvo! I'm laughing my butt off reading all this!
 
Friday's Workout:

Supersets

DB Lat Raise
Face Pull

LR 15@25 (ea db) <- All ten sets
FP 2 sets of 15@50, 2 sets of 15@60, 6 sets of 15@70

Arnold Press 1 set of 25 with 30lb dbs - This pretty much sucks after the supersets. Weight feels really light, it just won't go up and form gets pretty sloppy.
Abs - 5 mins
20 min's treadmill

Nice pump today. Starting to feel the change of going from Msten to Epi. I think I'm liking Epi better...
 
eddieaz said:
Friday's Workout: Supersets DB Lat Raise Face Pull LR 15@25 (ea db) <- All ten sets FP 2 sets of 15@50, 2 sets of 15@60, 6 sets of 15@70 Arnold Press 1 set of 25 with 30lb dbs - This pretty much sucks after the supersets. Weight feels really light, it just won't go up and form gets pretty sloppy. Abs - 5 mins 20 min's treadmill Nice pump today. Starting to feel the change of going from Msten to Epi. I think I'm liking Epi better...
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That's putting in the work there brother! Good work!
 
Speaking of school food, my eldest son (16) is a junior in high school. He actually designed a menu for the school lunch for a day and then had to supervise prep, create the food order, etc. Basically, it was his baby. This is what he came up with:

Beef Kabobs (2) with beef, onion, pineapple, and green pepper
1 cup brown rice with lentils
1/2 cup cucumber salad
1/2 cup green salad
a dessert kabob with kiwi, strawberries, grapes, and pineapple drizzled with chocolate and served with a greek yogurt dipping sauce.

And all that for $4. That was the best school lunch I ever had.
 
tommurph said:
That's putting in the work there brother! Good work!
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Thanks, Tom! I'm just following in your footsteps! Now if I can get my diet down like Kleen, I'll be in good shape...
 
eddieaz said:
Speaking of school food, my eldest son (16) is a junior in high school. He actually designed a menu for the school lunch for a day and then had to supervise prep, create the food order, etc. Basically, it was his baby. This is what he came up with: Beef Kabobs (2) with beef, onion, pineapple, and green pepper 1 cup brown rice with lentils 1/2 cup cucumber salad 1/2 cup green salad a dessert kabob with kiwi, strawberries, grapes, and pineapple drizzled with chocolate and served with a greek yogurt dipping sauce. And all that for $4. That was the best school lunch I ever had.
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Wow, he did great on the menu for sure! Your raising him right!
eddieaz said:
Thanks, Tom! I'm just following in your footsteps! Now if I can get my diet down like Kleen, I'll be in good shape...
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Thanks man, I've got to get my high volume back/biceps on today! Kleen is the man! It's good having him on here, he's so full of knowledge.
 
tommurph said:
Wow, he did great on the menu for sure! Your raising him right!
Thanks man, I've got to get my high volume back/biceps on today! Kleen is the man! It's good having him on here, he's so full of knowledge.
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I've been working out for almost 10 years and had definitely plateaued. I'm glad I hopped on AM. Everyone is great on here and so willing to help. It's amazing. MrKleen73 is definitely one of those that only likes to help, but shows us how it's done.

Thanks for the compliment on my son. He's a great kid... er, young man.
 
eddieaz said:
I've been working out for almost 10 years and had definitely plateaued. I'm glad I hopped on AM. Everyone is great on here and so willing to help. It's amazing. MrKleen73 is definitely one of those that only likes to help, but shows us how it's done. Thanks for the compliment on my son. He's a great kid... er, young man.
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Me too! Glad I found this site for sure! I'm sure your son is proud of his dad for working out so much! Boys always look up to their dads, and for dads to be in shape and strong solidifies them as heros to their sons! Your doing good man!
 
Thanks, Tom! Do you have any kids?
 
tommurph said:
3 girls! 10,7,& 5! A world of drama at my house, lol.
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Lol! No wonder you work out. You need it for sanity! Too much estrogen. Lol Just wait until they're teenagers and they're all on the same cycle. You're going to have to find somewhere to bunk 1 week a month. :run:
 
eddieaz said:
Lol! No wonder you work out. You need it for sanity! Too much estrogen. Lol Just wait until they're teenagers and they're all on the same cycle. You're going to have to find somewhere to bunk 1 week a month. :run:
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Haha, that's right! My wife says why do you workout so long, lol!
 
tommurph said:
Haha, that's right! My wife says why do you workout so long, lol!
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Yeah. They just don't get it sometimes. I think they like the results of the working out, they just don't realize the price that has to be paid.
 
eddieaz said:
Yeah. They just don't get it sometimes. I think they like the results of the working out, they just don't realize the price that has to be paid.
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Yeah, and as far as all that estrogen, I may just swap out there lotions for transForm!
 
tommurph said:
Yeah, and as far as all that estrogen, I may just swap out there lotions for transForm!
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Lol! Or at least rub it around your doorposts!!
 
Ok. Arm day again. Bumped weights a little. The 2 finisher sets were extremely painful today. I had nothing left. :-)

Supersets
10 sets
DB curl
Skullcrusher

All 10 sets were the same
Curls 5@45,5@40,5@35,5@30
Skullcrusher 15@70

Finished with:
Ezbar curl 25@70
Rope press down 25@45
30 ab machine
30 weighted obliques
12 min cardio

Incredible pump today. The Epi is definitely working better for me than the Msten.
 
eddieaz said:
Ok. Arm day again. Bumped weights a little. The 2 finisher sets were extremely painful today. I had nothing left. :-) Supersets 10 sets DB curl Skullcrusher All 10 sets were the same Curls 5@45,5@40,5@35,5@30 Skullcrusher 15@70 Finished with: Ezbar curl 25@70 Rope press down 25@45 30 ab machine 30 weighted obliques 12 min cardio Incredible pump today. The Epi is definitely working better for me than the Msten.
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Very nice! Reminds me of home!
 
eddieaz said:
Ok. Arm day again. Bumped weights a little. The 2 finisher sets were extremely painful today. I had nothing left. :-)

Supersets
10 sets
DB curl
Skullcrusher

All 10 sets were the same
Curls 5@45,5@40,5@35,5@30
Skullcrusher 15@70

Finished with:
Ezbar curl 25@70
Rope press down 25@45
30 ab machine
30 weighted obliques
12 min cardio

Incredible pump today. The Epi is definitely working better for me than the Msten.
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I thought when you first started this log you were running all 3 together. Until you said the other day that Msten was ending and Epi was starting. But Tren the whole time right? And if you like Epi now, wait a couple more weeks!! How are you dosing it?
 
Dma378 said:
I thought when you first started this log you were running all 3 together. Until you said the other day that Msten was ending and Epi was starting. But Tren the whole time right? And if you like Epi now, wait a couple more weeks!! How are you dosing it?
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Yeah. I'm running tren all the way through. Right now I'm dosing 60mg tren and 30mg epi in the morning and 60mg dermatren and 30mg epi at night.

Only real sides I have are a little lethargy and some lower back tightness if I don't drink enough water. I started using AgeForce dhea patches for the lethargy and they seem to be helping.

I like the dermatren because I don't have to take as many pills. But, it's much runner than dermatrength. So, it gets a little sloppy putting it on. Plus, it's making my palms yellow. Lol.
 
Well, I had to miss my leg workout today. Had a dang meeting at work at 7am. Since the gym opens at 6, I got left high and dry. I'll try and make it up tonight, but, I'm a single dad and probably won't have time. Maybe I'll at least do a little at home and make my boys join me! Lol
 
eddieaz said:
Well, I had to miss my leg workout today. Had a dang meeting at work at 7am. Since the gym opens at 6, I got left high and dry. I'll try and make it up tonight, but, I'm a single dad and probably won't have time. Maybe I'll at least do a little at home and make my boys join me! Lol
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I hear ya man, yesterday was my leg day and wife's birthday so no leg work out for me too!
 
tommurph said:
I hear ya man, yesterday was my leg day and wife's birthday so no leg work out for me too!
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I hate missing any day. But especially leg day on this massive volume. It's brutal, but it hurts so good!
 
Chest and back today. I messed up last night and double dosed my tren and epi, so I kinda felt like crap this morning. But here it is:

Supersets (10 sets)
DB press
Bodyweight pull ups

Dp 15@70
Pu 11

Dp 15@70
Pu 11

Dp 15@70
Pu 11

Dp 11@70,4@65
Pu 11

Dp 15@65
Pu 11

Dp 15@65
Pu 11

Dp 15@65
Pu 11

Dp 15@65
Pu 11

Dp 12@65,4@60 (my shoulder really started giving me grief)
Pu 11

Dp 14@60
Pu 11

Incline bb press 25@95
Cable row 25@150
5 mins abs

Had some joint pain in my right shoulder today. Probably partly due to the drying out of epi. And the plate in my left arm was giving me a little more grief than usual. But felt pretty good and got a great pump.
 
Grab some cissus out will help out with the joint pain that and up your fish oil. Epi kills my knees but its effective as hell.
 
McCrew530 said:
Grab some cissus out will help out with the joint pain that and up your fish oil. Epi kills my knees but its effective as hell.
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Thanks, McCrew! I'll try cissus. I'm already taking 1000mg of fish oil, but I'll choke down some more!
 
So glad to find this thread. I start my MSten, Tren, & Epi on 11/17 and am stocked. Any changes you would recommend as of right now on your stack or are you liking it the way it is?
 
jmyers said:
So glad to find this thread. I start my MSten, Tren, & Epi on 11/17 and am stocked. Any changes you would recommend as of right now on your stack or are you liking it the way it is?
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I didn't run all 3 at the same time though. Did msten then moved to epi. I think if I had it to do it over I'd increase the msten or add something else. I didn't get a whole lot out of the msten phase.

I'd definitely recommend volume training either way. My body seems to really like it with the tren.
 
Understood and thanks for the info and taking the time to reply.
What do you think of this layout for me:

Msten- 10/20/20/30/30/0/0/0/0
Epi- 0/0/0/0/30/40/40/50/50
Tren- 0/90/90/90/90/90/90/90/90

I would be overlapping the msten and epi for one week and running the tren at 90 the start of week 2 for the rest of the cycle.

Also, I'm not trying to overtake your thread

Any input would be greatly appreciated
 
jmyers said:
Understood and thanks for the info and taking the time to reply.
What do you think of this layout for me:

Msten- 10/20/20/30/30/0/0/0/0
Epi- 0/0/0/0/30/40/40/50/50
Tren- 0/90/90/90/90/90/90/90/90

I would be overlapping the msten and epi for one week and running the tren at 90 the start of week 2 for the rest of the cycle.

Also, I'm not trying to overtake your thread

Any input would be greatly appreciated
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That looks pretty good, but I think I'd up epi to your full dose as soon as you finish msten. Your already shutdown, so I don't think you need to build up.

Make sure you have an ai on hand. You're doing a long run and I guess tren can sneak up on you. I started taking inhibit about a week before I started the epi and have nolva on hand just in case and for pct.

Don't worry about the thread; it's about the journey!
 
Sounds good on running the Epi at 50 from start to finish. Im also a volume whore in the gym, so thats no problem at all

I have on hand dermacrine, inhibit-p and Elim1nate. Should i run dermacrine and inhibit-p from beginning to end of the whole cycle and use Elim1nate whenever sides show.

Im f*@$ing amped to run this. I most definitely will be logging it.
 
jmyers said:
Sounds good on running the Epi at 50 from start to finish. Im also a volume whore in the gym, so thats no problem at all I have on hand dermacrine, inhibit-p and Elim1nate. Should i run dermacrine and inhibit-p from beginning to end of the whole cycle and use Elim1nate whenever sides show. Im f*@$ing amped to run this. I most definitely will be logging it.
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I'll chime in with my 2 cents. I would do exactly that...take the Dermacrine and Inhibit P throughout the entire cycle. Elim1nate every 3rd day 50mg would probably suffice. Would follow if you log.
 
jmyers said:
Sounds good on running the Epi at 50 from start to finish. Im also a volume whore in the gym, so thats no problem at all

I have on hand dermacrine, inhibit-p and Elim1nate. Should i run dermacrine and inhibit-p from beginning to end of the whole cycle and use Elim1nate whenever sides show.

Im f*@$ing amped to run this. I most definitely will be logging it.
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It's totally up to you, but in the attempt of being thriftee, I'd probably start with dermacrine, then add inhibit-p 4-5 weeks in when you might expect Tren to start taking its toll. You may not even need it or the elim1nate depending on how your body reacts.

It should be a great run for you! Get ready for some GAINZZ!
 
Dma378 said:
I'll chime in with my 2 cents. I would do exactly that...take the Dermacrine and Inhibit P throughout the entire cycle. Elim1nate every 3rd day 50mg would probably suffice. Would follow if you log.
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DMA378 has been doing this longer than I have for sure. So to be totally safe, I'd follow his advise. Especially if this is your first/second run. :-)
 
eddieaz said:
DMA378 has been doing this longer than I have for sure. So to be totally safe, I'd follow his advise. Especially if this is your first/second run. :-)
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The reason Inhibit P is such a great profile is not only it's inhibition of prolactin with L-Dopa, but the other ingredients that improve sleep quality and maintain libido. That is why I would just run it from the get go. Pretty cheap product anyways. Combined with the Dermacrine (which I have never done) I would imagine those 2 product would keep most psychological sides at bay. A feel good support team!!
 
Thank you so much for the input. I will most definitely follow the advice of Dma378. I've had cycles with M1T, Halo, 11-Oxo, Ultradrol, Ultradrol and Dienzone, Mechabol. This is my first time with a more extensive and lengthy cycle. Well gentleman be prepared to follow because I'm gonna rock it
 
jmyers said:
Thank you so much for the input. I will most definitely follow the advice of Dma378. I've had cycles with M1T, Halo, 11-Oxo, Ultradrol, Ultradrol and Dienzone, Mechabol. This is my first time with a more extensive and lengthy cycle. Well gentleman be prepared to follow because I'm gonna rock it
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Post a link up to your log here and I'll follow.
 
Yes sir, will do. Ill start it on Monday and will have before pics.

how's everything going so far with you in regards to cycle, training and nutrition
 
jmyers said:
Yes sir, will do. Ill start it on Monday and will have before pics.

how's everything going so far with you in regards to cycle, training and nutrition
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It's been going pretty good. I'm a single dad with sometimes crazy work hours, so hitting my macros is always a challenge. But, other than that it's gone well. I didn't get what I was expecting front the msten, but I think I was dosing a little low. The Epi is really kicking in good though. I've been having a little lethargy, so I picked up some dhea patches from AgeForce and they're helping a lot. So, I'm expecting a strong finish this month. I'll hop on the scales tomorrow and check weight and bf and let you know!
 
I completely understand where you're coming from on being a single dad. Also, it gets kind of hard for me due to being in law enforcement. But keep on killing it bro and it will all work out in the end. I noticed on a lot of threads that people were underdosing msten. When I ran Ultradrol I found the sweet spot to be 20 that's why I decided to start mine off at that amount. I'm actually really excited to see on how the latter part of the cycle goes with the epi. l look forward to your update
 
eddieaz said:
It's been going pretty good. I'm a single dad with sometimes crazy work hours, so hitting my macros is always a challenge. But, other than that it's gone well. I didn't get what I was expecting front the msten, but I think I was dosing a little low. The Epi is really kicking in good though. I've been having a little lethargy, so I picked up some dhea patches from AgeForce and they're helping a lot. So, I'm expecting a strong finish this month. I'll hop on the scales tomorrow and check weight and bf and let you know!
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You're the first person I've heard of using any of the AgeForce products. So you think they're working? Will be interested to see how they go for the duration. If they work, and they're cheaper than Dermacrine, I may consider a trial run.
 
Dma378 said:
You're the first person I've heard of using any of the AgeForce products. So you think they're working? Will be interested to see how they go for the duration. If they work, and they're cheaper than Dermacrine, I may consider a trial run.
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Actually, I think they're working quite well. I've been using them about a week and energy levels are really shooting up. When I take the patch off I always look at it and it doesn't seem like it looks any different than when I put it on, but it's definitely working. The lethargy is definitely on its way out.
 
eddieaz said:
Actually, I think they're working quite well. I've been using them about a week and energy levels are really shooting up. When I take the patch off I always look at it and it doesn't seem like it looks any different than when I put it on, but it's definitely working. The lethargy is definitely on its way out.
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Nice. Good to know.
 
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