First cycle ever Hdrol with pics

Yeah Hdrol & Tbol are weird with me that way. I respond really well to them, but my resting heartrate spikes something fierce from them. Beta blockers also work to fix this (and alpha/beta blockers), but that route is a bit extreme. Stay away from caffeine is likely the best thing, and also what was mentioned above (hawthorn berry, etc)
 
Well I know that DHT is an antagonist to Estrogen, but not directly, so that would make sense.

DHT is also closely tied in with Dopamine production, and Estrogen linked in with Serotonin production.
 
So wouldn't running a compound a compound that is wet negate sides of DHT compounds? I mean people run thing a like trest, stano, bps dermacrine to help with libido and lethargy from DHT based compounds, so would they help against bp issues. Hm.
 
DHT itself isn't the reason for the BP/heartrate spike. For example, I am completely fine on EQ + mast, and high amounts of test - my heart doesn't go racing. It's just an issue with certain orals. I would definitely recommend running Dermacrine on Epistane and Hdrol though, they work great together!
 
I just remembered that DHEA (such as in Dermacrine) is said to have an overall lowering effect on blood pressure as well. I'm not sure of the mechanism, as I know that high/elevated E2 can also raise BP (via water retention). Addition of DHEA via transdermal would be the best way to add DHEA into the mix without a spike in E2 that an oral version would have.
 
It can start benefiting you very quickly, I'd recommend it be used with all oral cycles. You won't need to apply upwards of 4 pumps either (which is more of a cycle dose), 2 pumps daily should do the trick. It will help with blood pressure.
 
Add some odourless garlic extract into the mix. I take it year round for cardiovascular health and to help with healthy lipid levels. It may help with the BP issues and can be had at Invalid Link Removed for less than $5 a bottle. Start at 2000mg or follow the label instructions (whichever is more). I take between 2000-4000mg ed and I find that it gives me a slight energy boost as well.
 
How can I extend this cycle? Should I run a six week cycle then? Do three weeks of the formestane and dhea ?or should i bridge stano? And if I do six weeks should I still run nolva 20/20/10/10
 
I don't know how you want me to answer considering that's all completely up to you. I ran a solo halo cycle for 6 weeks and to be honest, I didn't see any benefit to it. And I bumped it from 75 in week 4 to 100 for 5 & 6. All I got was elevated BP. Apparently I'm a rare case. That's my $0.02
 
nbshazeezee said:
How can I extend this cycle? Should I run a six week cycle then? Do three weeks of the formestane and dhea ?or should i bridge stano? And if I do six weeks should I still run nolva 20/20/10/10
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Only part I can answer is yes, still run nolva 20/20/10/10.
 
I guess you could add the Dermacrine now and extend your cycle by a few weeks. So what, you need to grab another bottle? Also, if you order the Dermacrine, it's still a few days before it gets to you. So essentially 2.5 weeks of it. I can't say what would be best, other than just extending your Halo cycle and bump it to 100 to see how you react. There are other methods to help elevated BP. Do you do any cardio?
 
nbshazeezee said:
How can I extend this cycle? Should I run a six week cycle then? Do three weeks of the formestane and dhea ?or should i bridge stano? And if I do six weeks should I still run nolva 20/20/10/10
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You should have ran the halo for six weeks, bridging to stano is IMO pointless and yes if you do six weeks 20/20/10/10 is good.
Did I get everything? :friday:
 
and how should i take it do you guys recommend? should i bridge it? or should i take for three weeks or what? bridging would be perfect for me with my current schedule because i kinda want to do it for at least four weeks
 
I literally just have a bottle of tren sitting in my closet... Bridge ??? Hahahahaha jk but I am interested in taking this tren sometime in the future
 
nbshazeezee said:
I literally just have a bottle of tren sitting in my closet... Bridge ??? Hahahahaha jk
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Well if you weren't kidding my answer would be, don't do that. If anything, extend the Halo a couple weeks, that's it. This is your first cycle. There are always future cycles to run. All gains don't have to be made in 1 cycle. PCT, and plan your next one. Just my opinion.
 
Yeah save the tren for later.. And you'd need something for prolactin as well like sns inhibit p, caber, or prami...
 
nbshazeezee said:
and how should i take it do you guys recommend? should i bridge it? or should i take for three weeks or what? bridging would be perfect for me with my current schedule because i kinda want to do it for at least four weeks
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Run it along side the Halo then stop. save the rest for another cycle.
 
Dma378 said:
Well if you weren't kidding my answer would be, don't do that. If anything, extend the Halo a couple weeks, that's it. This is your first cycle. There are always future cycles to run. All gains don't have to be made in 1 cycle. PCT, and plan your next one. Just my opinion.
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No I was totally kidding. But I will definitely be thinking about taking this as a future cycle
 
I'm adding dermacrine for the last three weeks of my Hdrol tomorrow.. I'm still staying at seventy five atm. Plan to bump up to 100 for the last week or two

I'm happy to say that gains have been . Definitely notice strength over everything. Vascularity is definitely shooting up!
 
you guys think 2 pumps of formastane a day will be good enough as an AI. Im starting the Dermacrine tomorrow. 2-4 pumps a day. probably starting with 4 tomorrow

My concerns are the estrogen sides with the derma.
 
nbshazeezee said:
you guys think 2 pumps of formastane a day will be good enough as an AI. Im starting the Dermacrine tomorrow. 2-4 pumps a day. probably starting with 4 tomorrow
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Dermacrine has it's own built-in AI. In theory it should be enough to offset the eventual increase in E from the DHEA in the Derma. Truthfully, the DHEA will break down differently for everyone that uses it. The pathway will not be the exact same for everyone.

I am not sure which Forma product you are using, but 100mg should be more than enough to deal with E on a cycle with Halo (which doesn't aromatize).

Also, you shouldn't need to dose the forma higher than 50mg ED during PCT.

Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Testbooster: whatever you have - run it for entire PCT or for first 4 weeks
Forma 0/0/50/50/50/50 EOD for the last week
 
Toren said:
Dermacrine has it's own built-in AI. In theory it should be enough to offset the eventual increase in E from the DHEA in the Derma. Truthfully, the DHEA will break down differently for everyone that uses it. The pathway will not be the exact same for everyone.

I am not sure which Forma product you are using, but 100mg should be more than enough to deal with E on a cycle with Halo (which doesn't aromatize).

Also, you shouldn't need to dose the forma higher than 50mg ED during PCT.

Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Testbooster: whatever you have - run it for entire PCT or for first 4 weeks
Forma 0/0/50/50/50/50 EOD for the last week
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Do i necessarily need the forma for the PCT? because i mean i would have to purchase another bottle. so ill be running forma by itself for the last two weeks? i mean I can probably stop using the forma and save it for the last month at 50mg of the PCT.
 
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