Help with my splitt!

[Doz]

Hello, im gonna do a cyclet of epi/dermacrine for 6 weeks and as ill get that extra boost i was thinking of following a more hardcore programm for muscle building. My goal is to bulk as much as i can i dont care that much about fat but lets say i dont wanna end up with a beer belly lol. im at like 13-14% now.
So i was thinking between to spliits:
1st splitt :
1st Day: Chest/Back
2nd Day: Biceps/Triceps/Shoulders
3rd Day: Legs
4th Day: Rest
5th Day: Chest/Back
6th Day: Biceps/Triceps/Shoulders
7th Day: Legs (Light weight and some cardio)

2nd splitt :
1st Day: Chest/Back
2nd Day: Biceps/Triceps
3rd Day: Legs/Shoulders
4th Day: Rest
5th Day: Chest/Back
6th Day: Biceps/Triceps
7th Day: Legs (Light weight and some cardio)/Shoulders

Both of the Splitt will contain 15-18 sets on each big muscle group and 8-12 for each small muscle group, also im limiting my cardio to one day cause i wanna bulk but generally im walking very much everyday due to work and also if i'll feel like running ill do it.
So what you guys think?

 

[mountainman33]

In either split your arms directly after a chest and back day isn't ideal. Your arms will still be tired and recovering. You should do an upper/lower/ upper

 

[Doz]

ive seen many guys using this splitt for mass with very good results also i believe that it would be a good idea to push myself with 2x training each muscle per week while on a cycle... thats why im thinkin of doing it...also about the recovery issue i thought it would be ok because after you hit arms you got like 3 days before hitting chest/back again which both of em uses as secondary muscles the arms so you got plenty time for recovering...also ive done it for 3 weeks no just to test it and after chest/back day my biceps and triceps feel okey the pump is ok and they dont hurt so i guess the recovery thing is ok?! or no?

 

[RegisterJr]

I don't see any issue with hitting your smaller accessory muscles, like arms, after chess, back, or whatever. I do my arms after chest and shoulders.

Speaking of, the only thing I wouldn't recommend is doing shoulders one day after doing your chest. You're going to use a lot of shoulder work on the chest. Maybe match those two up on the same day?

Other than that, you can try any split out you want to see how it works for you. We are all different.

 

[Doz]

I don't see any issue with hitting your smaller accessory muscles, like arms, after chess, back, or whatever. I do my arms after chest and shoulders.

Speaking of, the only thing I wouldn't recommend is doing shoulders one day after doing your chest. You're going to use a lot of shoulder work on the chest. Maybe match those two up on the same day?

Other than that, you can try any split out you want to see how it works for you. We are all different.

maybe shoulders with legs then?

 

[RegisterJr]

maybe shoulders with legs then?

Shoulders with arms isn't bad, and if shoulders with legs works for you that's cool too. I just wouldn't do back to back push (ie shoulders followed by Chest, or vice versa; but on the same day that's ok). Just like I wouldn't deadlift and do legs in successive days.

I do :

legs
Ch/Sh
Back
OFF
CH/Sh
Arms
OFF

 

[Doz]

umm okey...do you think that 15sets for chest/back/lets and 10-12 for arms/shoulders is okey?

 

[RegisterJr]

umm okey...do you think that 15sets for chest/back/lets and 10-12 for arms/shoulders is okey?

What's your training history?

 

[Doz]

been practicing martial arts for like 14 years and last 3 years on the competitive side, been lifting for like 3-4 years , my weak spot are chest and calves and maybe a biceps a bit while my good spot is back and triceps (not that massive though just strong) . ive done previous routines with 20 sets of chest/back and 15 for the others but i thought that if im gonna hit each group twice a week 20 and 15 would be overkill?

 

[RegisterJr]

been practicing martial arts for like 14 years and last 3 years on the competitive side, been lifting for like 3-4 years , my weak spot are chest and calves and maybe a biceps a bit while my good spot is back and triceps (not that massive though just strong) . ive done previous routines with 20 sets of chest/back and 15 for the others but i thought that if im gonna hit each group twice a week 20 and 15 would be overkill?

It's only overkill if you aren't getting adequate rest and nutrition/food. Some people will say there is some one size fits all number of maximum reps allowed, but that's dependent on your body and routine.

Have you considered doing a specific routine instead of making your own? Like GVT, Meadows, PHAT, etc? Just to maybe get a feel of what you can handle/recover from?

 

[Doz]

umm havent though of it anything to suggest? looking for size mainly dont care bout fat loss

 

[Abe Lincoln]

Hybrid training the way to go! Highly recommended IMO strength training indirectly helps with size gains and vice versa. As long as nutrient needs are filled properly

 

[RegisterJr]

Hybrid isn't a bad idea either.

I'd definitely recommend trying a few routines that have proven themselves over and over before trying to wing your own.

Google German Volume Training, and maybe look into 5/3/1. That would at least give you a feel of a couple varieties. It's easy, when making your own exercise routines, to forget to switch things up.