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MEADOWS periworkout Supplement/nutrition protocol

Royd The Noyd said:
Meadows posted a label. Couldn't make out everything but it appeared to be 32g HBCD per serving plus
1 g glutamine
2 g Citrulline malate
Some EAA's
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Looks like 12.6g of EAAs (2.5g of which is Leucine)

John also mentioned "typically you will take 2-3 servings depending on bodypart..."
 
From John:

"this is Leucine amount I put in it

Formula: 12.6 gram serving
Leucine – 2500 mgs

The 12.6 amount is one serving of the amino blend I constructed...not the whole serving size"

"I will give rough approximation per serving

12-13 grams of EAAs
35-40 of BCD (no other carbs - no bull****)
2 grams of Cit Mal (to me this supplement makes a difference during your hardest workouts, and then you would use more servings - most evidence points to 6 grams being the optimal dose)"
 
The Solution said:
From John:

"this is Leucine amount I put in it

Formula: 12.6 gram serving
Leucine – 2500 mgs

The 12.6 amount is one serving of the amino blend I constructed...not the whole serving size"

"I will give rough approximation per serving

12-13 grams of EAAs
35-40 of BCD (no other carbs - no bull****)
2 grams of Cit Mal (to me this supplement makes a difference during your hardest workouts, and then you would use more servings - most evidence points to 6 grams being the optimal dose)"
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The EAAs are certainly well dosed. Let's see how the street price plays out.
 
Rodja said:
What exactly have you done besides insult, red herring, and not provide anything for your side?

Funny how you downplay peer-reviewed data and also anecdotal. What the hell do you base any of your opinions on if you ignore these two sources?
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What peer reviewed data are you referring to? The studies done on endurance athletes? I don't ignore peer reviewed data or annecdotal evidence. The published research on these drinks in people doing bodybuilder type training is thin. My own experimentation yielded unimpressive results. That's anecdote. Can anybody on this site ****ing read? Do you have a hypothesis for how these drinks might be of benefit to someone training in a fed state besides just adding calories to their diet? I don't give a **** whether anyone uses these drinks or not nor do I care about winning e-arguments. I'm just trying to understand what all the hype is about and whether or not the claims of recovery benefit is nothing more than placebo. Even Meadows can't explain a clear moa.

From Meadows Twitter re intra drinks:
" @itsrobbieyall now also I should say this - insulin use can enhance the effect even more just to be honest..."
 
Royd The Noyd said:
The pre sale is 1000 units and 20% off with code mountaindog1, so it will be $48 before shipping.
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Is he selling this ish from his main site or what?
 
OutOfStep said:
What peer reviewed data are you referring to? The studies done on endurance athletes? I don't ignore peer reviewed data or annecdotal evidence. The published research on these drinks in people doing bodybuilder type training is thin. My own experimentation yielded unimpressive results. That's anecdote. Can anybody on this site ****ing read? Do you have a hypothesis for how these drinks might be of benefit to someone training in a fed state besides just adding calories to their diet? I don't give a **** whether anyone uses these drinks or not nor do I care about winning e-arguments. I'm just trying to understand what all the hype is about and whether or not the claims of recovery benefit is nothing more than placebo. Even Meadows can't explain a clear moa.

From Meadows Twitter re intra drinks:
" @itsrobbieyall now also I should say this - insulin use can enhance the effect even more just to be honest..."
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How about you take your own advice and read any of the data referenced in the suppversity entry or the JISSN part? My personal MoA is maximizing the most out of the increased GLUT-4 expression and insulin sensitivity that comes from training and supplying a steady stream of glucose instead of relying of any form of glycogenolysis to supply energy while training. Also, lets not downplay the value of adding calories into the equation especially ones that area easily digested.

So, that being said, are you going to provide anything helpful to the thread now or just continue to devalue others opinions that don't flow with yours? Or is your personal experience all that matters to you?
 
I don't think the price is unreasonable considering how much the exact same ingredients would cost to mix together on your own.
 
meh not too impressed and not going to drop 60 $ for an intraworkout o well

wasnt there supposed to be the predigested casien in it
 
How many scoops is one serving? If its just one and he recommends 2-3 depending on body part then count me out lol
 
Jiigzz said:
How many scoops is one serving? If its just one and he recommends 2-3 depending on body part then count me out lol
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1 scoop most likely (just like Plazma, 1 scoop ='s 1 serving).

If you go by his dosing scheme (and this is also from my personal experience), 2 is really all you need. 1 scoop pre 1 scoop intra. Keep in mind that I train first thing in the morning so it's practically breakfast as well that first serving :P If you train later in the day after having a few good meals in you already, just the 1 serving intra should work fine.

The Prime product (if you don't mix something up yourself from TN), comes out cheaper really than if you were to take GlycoFuse and combine it with an AA product (you're getting some extras + at least 10 more grams of carbs per serving).
 
Rodja said:
How about you take your own advice and read any of the data referenced in the suppversity entry or the JISSN part? My personal MoA is maximizing the most out of the increased GLUT-4 expression and insulin sensitivity that comes from training and supplying a steady stream of glucose instead of relying of any form of glycogenolysis to supply energy while training. Also, lets not downplay the value of adding calories into the equation especially ones that area easily digested.

So, that being said, are you going to provide anything helpful to the thread now or just continue to devalue others opinions that don't flow with yours? Or is your personal experience all that matters to you?
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All I've been looking for all along is for someone to provide a reasonable hypothesis. It's funny you mention devaluing people's opinions that don't jive with mine, that's exactly how this whole thing started. I shared my own opinion which wasn't in line with everyone else's and people jumped down my throat and called me ignorant. Your hypothesis does nothing to answer the question I've been asking all along, but I've given up getting an answer to that. I've read all the relevant research on the topic. That's how I've arrived at my opinion. I'm sure I'll keep being told to read it until my thinking starts to fall more inline with the group here. This place really is a ****ing joke. No wonder they call it PlaceboMinds and it's why I rarely bother posting. Place is mostly all supplement company reps who love to ball wash each other and constantly push their products. Everybody "stacking" every supplement under the sun and 3/4 of the guys here still don't look like they've ever seen the inside of a gym.
 
OutOfStep said:
All I've been looking for all along is for someone to provide a reasonable hypothesis. It's funny you mention devaluing people's opinions that don't jive with mine, that's exactly how this whole thing started. I shared my own opinion which wasn't in line with everyone else's and people jumped down my throat and called me ignorant. Your hypothesis does nothing to answer the question I've been asking all along, but I've given up getting an answer to that. I've read all the relevant research on the topic. That's how I've arrived at my opinion. I'm sure I'll keep being told to read it until my thinking starts to fall more inline with the group here. This place really is a ****ing joke. No wonder they call it PlaceboMinds and it's why I rarely bother posting. Place is mostly all supplement company reps who love to ball wash each other and constantly push their products. Everybody "stacking" every supplement under the sun and 3/4 of the guys here still don't look like they've ever seen the inside of a gym.
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And still nothing constructive added to the thread from you and more attacking. Nobody called you ignorant despite your overwhelming arrogance and fallacious posting.

How exactly does my hypothesis on the MoA not answer the question that you've been asking?
 
OutOfStep said:
All I've been looking for all along is for someone to provide a reasonable hypothesis. It's funny you mention devaluing people's opinions that don't jive with mine, that's exactly how this whole thing started. I shared my own opinion which wasn't in line with everyone else's and people jumped down my throat and called me ignorant. Your hypothesis does nothing to answer the question I've been asking all along, but I've given up getting an answer to that. I've read all the relevant research on the topic. That's how I've arrived at my opinion. I'm sure I'll keep being told to read it until my thinking starts to fall more inline with the group here. This place really is a ****ing joke. No wonder they call it PlaceboMinds and it's why I rarely bother posting. Place is mostly all supplement company reps who love to ball wash each other and constantly push their products. Everybody "stacking" every supplement under the sun and 3/4 of the guys here still don't look like they've ever seen the inside of a gym.
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We have provided 'reasonable hypothesis'. Just because the criteria for the studies conducted do not change your mind does not mean that we have not provided reasonable hypothesis. Remember this, you have also not yet posted anything by way of damning evidence to support your viewpoint either. Put simply, not much data exists either way. If you have indeed read all the data as you claim and arrived at your conclusion, then that is fine. Many people ITT have stated they do not agree with mine, or others standpoints and haven't been 'attacked' because of it. Put plainly, I value people's inputs into discussion as there is also two sides to every argument and I do my best to explore all possible evidence before arriving at a conclusion.

However in this case I do not feel that there is sufficient evidence to say "yes it works" or "no it doesn't". After trying many different nutrition strategies, ranging from CBL, IF, eating every 2-3 hours, Paleo, NKLC, KLC, high carb etc. and also played with timing (training fasted, training fed, training with an without intra workout nutrition, no carbs after 6, etc etc etc for a minimum of 6 weeks per strategy, sometimes longer, suffice to say this strategy works best for me. Anecdotally. Keto and low carb were the worst things I've ever done in terms of recovery but the best for general energy, high carb was the best thing id done in terms of recovery. However I constantly felt bloated and heavy so that didn't work either. Moderate carb was both good and bad in terms of recovery and mood support and energy but sometimes lacked in the recovery aspect. Then I started playing with intra on a moderate carb diet and it blew my mind in terms of recovery so I've kept at it.

This way I get the benefits of better mood, less bloat and full recovery without going to the extremes in terms of carb and fat intake. This is entirely related to me and no one strategy will suit every person, but to dismiss it on the technicality that I cannot provide evidence to support my view, given there isn't much evidence to support your own under the criteria you want me to provide evidence for (seems a bit odd), is shortsighted.

It is also ironic that you state we should all be able to have our own opinion, yet insult everyone who doesn't share yours.
 
Jiigzz said:
How many scoops is one serving? If its just one and he recommends 2-3 depending on body part then count me out lol
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1 scoop =

12-13 grams of EAAs
35-40 of BCD (no other carbs - no bull****)
2 grams of Cit Ma

in the EAA/BCAA Blend you get 2.5g Leucine, 1g Glutamine and some taurine as well

if you need 2-3 servings that would almost be 70-100g of HBCD + 30g BCAA/EAA
 
Good dose of aminos and carbs, will definitely try if the price is right.
 
kissdadookie said:
Same 500 ml per serving like Plazma?
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How would i know. Never tried it
Never tried Plazma either.
Going off what he recommends in his videos for water intake off his MD Series of in the life He usually goes through quite a bit of liquid for his intra-drink he drinks now before he released the Intra-MD
 
The Solution said:
How would i know. Never tried it
Never tried Plazma either.
Going off what he recommends in his videos for water intake off his MD Series of in the life He usually goes through quite a bit of liquid for his intra-drink he drinks now before he released the Intra-MD
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I just assumed you got the info off the serving instructions for the product :P
 
kissdadookie said:
Mainly a carbs (HBCD) + creatine mix (creatine magnesium chelate, creatine nitrate) + electrolytes pre/intra workout product. Roughly 15 grams of carbs, gram and a half of betaine anhydrous, plus some extracts aimed at promoting a pump.
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But I guess it's NOT the same as the Meadows intra, or anything like it....at least that's what a Cellucor rep implied earlier

:-D
 
Rodja said:
Yet both are still apples. See my point?
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There point is they are 2 totally different formulas and products. Just because they share one ingredient does not make them the same.

Can i compare Scivation Xtend to a Pre-workout with CM in it? Sure, but are they the same.. no.

That would not be the same product.

Meadows is more of a sole intra carb product with BCAA's. M5 is not. it has 0 BCAA's/EAA's and does not have glutamine or CM

Meadows --> 32g HBCD + 2g CM + Glutamine + 12-13g EAA/BCAA
M5 --> 1.5g Betaine + 4.5g Creatine Matrix including Creatine Nitrates + 15g HBCD + Cinnamon Bark Extract and no BCAA's/EAA's

They are 2 totally different products and formula make-ups.

So no they are not even close to the same nature.
 
The Solution said:
There point is they are 2 totally different formulas and products. Just because they share one ingredient does not make them the same. Can i compare Scivation Xtend to a Pre-workout with CM in it? Sure, but are they the same.. no. That would not be the same product. Meadows is more of a sole intra carb product with BCAA's. M5 is not. it has 0 BCAA's/EAA's and does not have glutamine or CM Meadows --> 32g HBCD + 2g CM + Glutamine + 12-13g EAA/BCAA M5 --> 1.5g Betaine + 4.5g Creatine Matrix including Creatine Nitrates + 15g HBCD + Cinnamon Bark Extract and no BCAA's/EAA's They are 2 totally different products and formula make-ups. So no they are not even close to the same nature.
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There's a lot of similarities between the two, but you're far too stubborn to see that. Nobody said they were identical, but it's VERY clear that they're both designed for the same purpose and time.
 
The Solution said:
Meadows is more of a sole intra carb product with BCAA's. M5 is not. it has 0 BCAA's/EAA's and does not have glutamine or CM

Meadows --> 32g HBCD + 2g CM + Glutamine + 12-13g EAA/BCAA
M5 --> 1.5g Betaine + 4.5g Creatine Matrix including Creatine Nitrates + 15g HBCD + Cinnamon Bark Extract and no BCAA's/EAA's
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Rodja said:
There's a lot of similarities between the two,
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These are not even close in formula wise:

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Meadows:

Calories 120
Total Carbohydrate 32g 11%*
Magnesium 20mg 5%
Sodium 350mg 2%
Highly Branched Cyclic Dextrin
(Cluster Dextrin™) 32G **
L-Leucine 2.5G **
L-Glycine 2G **
Taurine 2G **
Citrulline Malate 2G **
L-Valine 1.5G **
L-Glutamine 1G **
L-Isoleucine 1G **
L-Methionine 1G **
DL-Phenylalanine 500MG **
L-Threonine 500MG **
L-Lysine 500MG **
L-Tyrptophan 100MG
 
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