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Four_Stroke adding Mass/Strength with Trest and DMZ Log

Day 32 update

Deads and Back Day
Pullups
10, 10, 8, 8

Deads
135x5
225x5
315x5
365x5
405x5
425x5
455x3
475xNOPE

Supported T-Bar
6 sets of 8-12

Pendlay Rows
4 sets of 10

UG Pendlay Rows
3 sets of 8

Close Grip Seated Cable Row
3 sets of 8-10

Cycle Notes: Nothing new to report, ive been on aromasin for a few days now and my signs of itchy/sensitive nips. The DR gave me prednisone for my poison ivy rash, but I think that interacts with what Im taking, so I wont be taking it lol. I had a terrible lower back pump again, 6g of taurine isnt enough!!!

Anybody have any questions for me?
 
Day 33 - Off

Day 34 - Quick workout with some volume
Box Squat
135x5
225x5x2
225x10x3
225x15

Bench
135x5
165x5x2
165x10x3
165x12

T-Bar Row
3 sets of 12

Day 34 - Weighed in at 222.5lbs at roughly 15.9%
Arms
Flex Lewis Giant Set

DB Inc Curls
Mach Tri Prss
EZ Bar Curl
DB Crossbody Curl

Cycle notes: My back is still pretty tweaked from my last back workout. I also found out I was never signed up for my powerlifting comp, so idk WTF im gonna do now. Nothing else new to report
 
Day 35
Trest 75mg Tr3st 50mg
Am Back Workout
Pullups 5x8-10
Pendlay Rows 4x10
UG pendlay Rows 3x10
CG Cable pulldown 6x10-15
T-Bar Row 5x8-15
Lat Stretch CG 3x15

PM Leg Workout
F Squats
135x5x5
185x5x3
225x5,5,5,4
185x6
135x10

Stiff Deads 4x12-15
Hack Mach 5x15
Leg Ext 4x12
Leg Press High/Narrow 4x15
Leg Curl 3x12-15
 
Day 36

Shoulders in AM
Seated BB Overhead Press
95x10x2
115x10x2
135x10x2
155x9x2
135x8

DB Lat raise 4 sets of 12
Cable Rev Fly 5 sets of 15
DB Shrug 3 sets of 25
Cable Facepull 4 sets of 12

PM Workout
Cable Fly W-up
Bench
135x5x2
185x5
225x5
245x5
265x3
225x5x5
185x5x5

DB Inc Fly 5 sets of 12
SS w/ DB Squeeze Press 5 sets of 10

DB Inc Press 5 sets of 8

Flat DB Fly 4 sets of 10

Hammer Strength Dec 4 sets of 15

A good day for sure!
 
Have you noticed much size difference from this or is it mainly strength?
Also hows the Libido on with the trest. I am really looking at it as a test base since Stano did me no favors on my last run.
 
McCrew530 said:
Have you noticed much size difference from this or is it mainly strength?
Also hows the Libido on with the trest. I am really looking at it as a test base since Stano did me no favors on my last run.
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Honestly I am not noticing much for a libido increase, it's always high lol. I am slowly leaning out but people at my gym say i am getting bigger. I definitely blow up in the first 2-3 weeks on trest. Now I will be slowly increasing the dose as stated on my first post. My goal is to increase strength without getting too big, and lean out. So this is working well for that. I'll have a better idea after another week or two. I may take measrements this coming weekend.
 
Day 37 was an off day

Day 38 Light Back and Bis

Im still having difficulty with my lower back, not sure if it's a ridiculous pump or i strained it, so no deadlifts.

Pullups
10, 10, 8, 8, 8, 8

Pendlay Row
135x12x4

Underhand Grip Pendlay Row
135x12x3

Seated DB Curl - Hammer Curl followed by Reg DB Curl
Start at vertical bench and drop 1 notch each set, then go back to vertical
9 sets

Standing Wide BB Curl
3 sets of 12-15

HS High Curl Mach
3 sets of 7

HS Low Curl Mach
3 sets of 8

Lat Pulldown Cable Curl
3 sets of 12

Not a bad workout for not really ever doing arms, i need to work on that more lol.
 
Day 39 Update
AM Legs
Box Squat
135x10x3 185x10x2 225x10x2 245x10

Stiff Deads
135x12x3

Hack Mach
90x15x3

Prone Curls
110x10x4

Not bad for less than an hour.

Day 40 Off

Day 41
Weighed in at 221.2 at 15.4%

Back Day
Pullups 5 sets
Deads 135x5
225x5
315x5x5 (went light due to back still)

Pendlay Row
4 sets of 12

UG Pendlay Row
4 sets of 10

Wide Cable Pulldown
5 sets of 8

HS Low Row mach
5 sets of 8-15

HS High Row
4 sets of 8

CG Pulldown
5 sets of 12

T-Bar Row
8 sets of 8

HS Lat Stretch Mach
3 sets of 12

A good back workout for today. My back is still a little tender/tight from earlier in the cycle, but it is getting better. Besides the fact that my weight is going down, not much else to complain about. I wish my strength would have shot up faster by this point in time, but I still have 6wks.

Day 42
Legs
F Squat
135x5 185x5 225x5 245x5 265x4 225x5, 5, 5, 4, 4

Deficit Stiff Deads 4 sets of 10

Leg Curl 5 sets of 10-12

Hack Mach 5 sets of 15-20

Loaded Squat Place (Similar to Leg Press)
4 sets of 20

Today also started 60mg of DMZ instead of 40. Epi is at 45, Tr3st is at 25mg pre workout and Trest Ace is at 75mg a day. Exemestane is at 12.5mg a day, nipples are a little puffy and possibly a bit sensitive, so I upped Exem to 25mg for the last 2 days. I may try to use TransForm again, now that my rash is gone.
 
It you want big arms go heavy on chest and back then smoke them out after. Thats what I always do :smoker:
 
McCrew530 said:
It you want big arms go heavy on chest and back then smoke them out after. Thats what I always do :smoker:
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That's a good idea. I may have to implement this into my PCT to keep my arms growing. Honestly I dont hit arms very hard, but people have been commenting on how much bigger they look.
 
Day 43
Chest
FreeMotion Cable Flies
3 w-up sets

Bench
135x5
185x5
225x5
245x5
265x5
225x5x5
185x5x5
135x5x5 (Yes A LOT of volume!)

Dec Bench
7 sets of 4-8

DB Inc Press
4 sets of 7

DB Inc Fly
4 sets of 12
Pronated Inc Fly
3 sets of 10

High Cable Fly
4 sets of 15

Low Cable Fly
4 sets of 15

Cycle notes, I'm still continueing Exem at 25mg a day until my nips are less puffy and not so sensitive/sore. I also started TransForm back up at 1 pump a day.
My carbs will be a little lower this week, i'm hoping it will help me to learn out a bit.
 
Day 44

Arm Day
Seated DB Curl - Hammer Curl followed by Twist Curl
Start at Vertical and decrease 1 notch each set, 5 sets down, 4 sets up

Wide BB Curl
5 sets of 12

Single Arm DB Preacher
4 sets 7-10

Crossbody DB
6 sets of 10

Lat Pulldown Cable Curl
3 sets of 10

Flex Lewis Tri Giant Set
Rope Ext x20x4
Bentover Rope Ext x20x4
EX Bar Pressdown x20x4
EZ Bar UG Pressdown x20x4
OH Rope Ext x20x4
Cable Curl x15x4

Tri Pressdown Mach
4 sets of 10

had a crazy arm pump and basically zero carbs for the day. very good workout, especially since I havent done arms in a while.
 
So I returned a bottle of OL TransForm, well the product leaked out in shipping, so I wont be getting a refund. WTF am i supposed to do now??? Also my first bottle of TransForm I started using again and it is really hard to pump, the liquid is clear when it comes out but inside the bottle is still cloudy. Dafuq??? I hope the new bottles have been revised. So now I pissed away the cost of one bottle and the pump from the second bottle.
 
Pour it all into a tupperware container and then use a oral 1ml syringe to extract the product.

I was shipped a empty bottle of dermatrest, friggin 80 bucks worth, luckily they hooked me up with a new bottle.
 
Nitro41 said:
Pour it all into a tupperware container and then use a oral 1ml syringe to extract the product.

I was shipped a empty bottle of dermatrest, friggin 80 bucks worth, luckily they hooked me up with a new bottle.
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Good idea, to bad im still effed the one bottle.
 
Day 45
Back and Bis (yes bis 2 days in a row!)
Pullups
12, 11, 10, 10, 9

Deads
135x5x2
225x5
315x5
365x5
405x5
315x5, 5, 5

Single Arm T-Bar
6 sets of 10-12

BB Row
5 sets of 10-12

neutral Grip Pulldown
5 sets of 6-12

HS Low Row Mach
4 sets of 15

ISO HS Row Mach
8 sets of 6-12

DB Hammer Curls/Twist Curls
5 sets

Preacher Curls
4 sets of 7-8

High Curl Mach
4 sets of 8 with RP set at end

Seated Cable Curl
5 sets of 10
SS w/ Lying Curls
5 sets of 8-12

Standing Dual Cable Curl
4 sets of 8-15

Notes: Deadlifts were terrible and disappointing today. Im not sure if it's because I hit Bis hard the previous day or what was going on. I woke up the next morning with one heck of an upper body pump, mainly my arms.
 
Day 46
Shoulders
w-up

Seated OH BB Press
95x5
115x5
135x5
155x5
175x5
155x5x5
135x5x5

EZ Upright Row
4 sets of 10-12

DB Lat Raise
4 sets of 10

Rev Pec Dec Rear Delts
6 sets of 12

DB Shrugs
3 sets of 15

Shoulder Press Mach
5 sets of 8-15

Facepull - Low Cable
4 sets of 15

BB Shrug
4 sets of 10-20

Nothing else to report.

Day 47
Chest/Arms
W-up

Close Grip Bench
135x10, 10
185x10, 10
225x8

Low Cable Fly
4 sets of 10

Pec Dec
3 sets of 12

Mag Inc Press
3 sets of 8-10

High Cable Fly
3 sets of 10-12

V-Bar Pressdown
5 sets 9-15

Tri Press Mach
4 sets of 8-10

OH rope Ext
3 sets of 10-13

Single Arm Cable Ext
3 sets of 9-12

Stand DB Curl
4 sets of 9-15

Rope Hammer Curl
3 sets of 10-15

HS Preacher
3 sets of 8-10

Hammer Conc Curl
4 sets of 8-10

Conc Curl
2 sets of 8 with RP

25min stairmill post training.

Nothing else to report today.

Day 48

Off day
 
Day 49 - Trest Ace 75mg, Tr3st 25mg pre, EPI 60mg, and DMZ 60mg

Quick Leg Workout
Box Squats
w-up
135x5
185x5
225x5
275x5
225x5, 5, 5
SS w/Stiff Deads
135x10x7

ISO Leg Curl
4 sets of 12-15

ISO Leg Ext
4 sets of 10-15

Leg Curl w/Stretch
3 sets of 10-12

Notes. EPI was upped to 60mg this week. I think I am starting to become lethargic and may increase Trest A next week if things dont improve. I'm also running exemestane at 25mg a day to keep my nips from being too sensitive. I had to stop squatting due to an intense back pump, I unracked and immediately had to re-rack and move on.
 
Day 50

AM Shoulders
Seated OH BB Press
95x10x2
115x10x2
135x10x2
155x10, 8
135x8

DB Lat Raise
4 sets of 12

Rev Cable Fly
4 sets of 15

DB Shrug
3 sets of 25

Rope Facepull - Low
4 sets of 12

PM Chest
Cable Fly
W-Up

Bench
W-Up
135x5
185x3
225x1
265x1
285x1
305x1
315xFail, 1 (Little assistance)
225x5x5
185x5x5
135x10, 10, 9, 8, 7, 8

Inc Bench
10 sets of 6-8

DB inc Fly
5 sets of 12
SS w/DB Squeeze Press
5 sets of 4-6

Pec Dec
4 sets 12-15

Low Cable Fly
4 sets 15-20

Notes. Pretty happy with the 305 bench, almost had the 315 but i did too many w-up sets. I'll try again before im done with the cycle.
 
Sorry for lack of updates guys. Anybody still following along for the gains???

Day 51 Arms - Quick and dirty

Flex Giant Tri Set x 4

ISO Cable Tri Ext 4 sets 10

Rope Cable Curl 4 sets 10-15

Tri Press Mach 4 sets of 10

Day 52 Back
Pullups
5 sets of 10-12

Deads - Not impressive - Huge back pumps today so couldnt really lift

Rack Pulls
4 sets 8-10

Pendlay Rows
4 sets 10-15

T-Bar Row
8 sets of 4-10

Straight Arm Cable Pulldown
4 sets of 12

Wide Cable Row
3 sets of 8-10

Close Grip Pulldown
3 sets of 8

Day 53 Back/Shoulders
AM Back
Pullups
4 sets of 6-10

Pendlay Rows
4 sets 10-15

Underhand Grip BB row
3 sets 10-15

Free Motion Wide Cable Pulldown
4 sets 6-15

Hammer Strength Row Mach
3 sets of 7-8
SS/ CG Cable Row
3 sets of 15

Lat Pulldown Cable Stretch
3 sets of 10-15 with Drop Set

PM Shoulders
DB OH Press
45x10 65x8 75x8 85x8 90x7, 7, 10

Lat Raise Mach
100 total reps, 5 sets

Rev Pec Dec Delts
4 sets 12

DB Lat Raise
3 sets of 10

Upright BB Row
4 sets of 8

BB Shrug
3 sets 15-20

DB Inc Curls Hammer/Twist Curls
5 levels on Bench

DB Inside Curls
3 sets with DS

Standing Double Cable Curl
4 sets with DS

Lying Seated Cable Curl
3 sets AMAP

Day 54 Off

Day 55 Arms
DB Seated Curls Hammer/Twist
5 Levels on Bench, down then Up

Seated DB Hammer
3 sets with DS

Wide Curl
4 sets

HS High Curl Mach
4 sets

HS Low Curl
5 sets

Seated Conc Hammer Curl
4 sets

Spider Curl
3 sets

Standing Double Hammer DB
3 sets

Inc OH DB Ext
4 sets

Rope Ext
4 sets

ISO rope ext
3 sets

Weighed in on Day 55, 233 at roughly 16%. That is a 10lb increase in a week at about the same leanness, I'll take that. This week I will up my carbs and lower my fats and see what happens. Only other things to note are I get crazy pumps, lower back, forearms, arms, calves and feet. I'm at 6-10g of taurine a day and that doesnt do a lot for the back pumps. Also my front delts get tired if i let my arms hang down for an extended period of time.
 
Day 56
4wks left of this cycle. Trest Ace was upped to 100mg a day and DMZ is up to 80mg a day. The pumps are effing crazy, almost to the point of hurting.

AM Back
Pullups
12, 10, 8, 7, 7

Pendlay Rows
4 sets 10-12

MTS Lat Stretch Mach
4 sets of 15

MTS High Row - Constant Tension
3 sets of 10

PM Legs
Front Squats - wasn't sure if I wanted to go heavy or not - they sucked
135x5
185x5
225x5
255x4
275x2
295xNEG
225x5x5

Stiff Deads
5 sets of 8-10

Hack Squat - Low/Slow
4 sets of 15
High/Narrow
6 sets of 10-15

Leg Ext
7 sets of various reps and weights

Legs were completely trashed after this workout. Upping my carbs hasn't seemed to make a difference yet, but I'll continue it for the remainder of the week and will see what happens.
 
Day 57
AM Shoulders

W-Up

Seated OH BB Press
W-up
95x10x2
115x10x2
135x10x2
155x10, 8, 8

DB Lat Raise
4 sets of 12

Rev Cable Fly
3 sets of 15

Seated Shrug Mach
4 sets 15-20

PM Chest

W-Up

Bench
135x5, 5
185x3
225x1
275x1
315x1, FR
225x5, 5, 5, 5, 7+FR
185x8, 8, 7, 6, 7
135x8, 10, 9, 10, 11

Inc Bench
5 sets 6-8

Inc DB Fly
3 sets of 12

HS Dec Press
5 sets of 6-10

High Cable Fly
4 sets 8-12 with emphasis on stretch at the top
 
Day 58
Quick Arm session with killer pumps!
Inc DB Curl - Hammer/Twist Curls
Start at top notch on bench and decrease angle til flat, work back up - 9 sets total

Bent Over DB Curl (Conc Curl)
4 sets of 10

Wide BB Curl
3 sets of 12

Double DB Hammer
3 sets of 10

Rope Tri Ext
3 sets 15-20

Back pumps are getting ridiculous now. Im up to 10g taurine a day but the drive to work and the gym really sucks.

Day 59
Back Day
Deads
225x5
315x3
405x1
455x1
495x1 (matched PR)
405x6

Wide Lat Pulldown
4 sets of 6-12 with Drop Set

Seated Cable Row
6 sets of 6-10 (stacked out on last 3 sets)

Straight Arm Pulldown
4 sets of 10-12

T-Bar Row
3 sets of 10
 
Im still here bro I just got back from vacation. Hey just a thought I know you are on cycle but off days are still needed here and there it may help with the lethargy and actually make you stronger.
 
Day 60 Update
A more or less full body workout, due to that fact I was going to a buffet later in the day!

Box Squats
w-up
135x5 225x5 275x3 315x1 365x1 385x1 405x1, 1 DS 315x10

Leg Press
4 sets of 20-30

Seated OH BB Press
95x5 135x5 155x3 185x1 205x1 225xFR DS 155x6

Underhand Grip Pendlay Row
135x12 185x10, 10, 20 (w/straps)

Lat Stretch Mach
4 sets 12-20

Wide Lat Pulldown
worked up to stacking out the machine in 3 sets

DB Lat Raise
3 sets 10-12
SS w/ DB Standing Curl
3 sets of 10

High Rope Facepull
3 sets of 15
SS w/V-Bar Pressdown
4 sets of 12-15

DB Hammer Curl
3 sets of 10-15

Day 61
Quick Chest workout before heading to a BB show were my buddy took first overall for Physique

Bench
w-up
135x5
175x5, 5, 10, 10, 10, 19

DB Inc Press
75x10 85x10 95x10

FM Cable Fly
3 sets of 10-15

Day 62
Weighed in this morning - 238 at 16%. Im seeing some nice size and strength increases. People are definitely noticing me now.

Quick Arm workout to get out of the house
DB seated curl - Hammer/Twist curls
4 sets of AMAP
DS to seated curls 5 reps on side, 5 reps of then repeat - one set
Start at 90* Bench, work down by 1 level per set then back up

DB Tri Kickbacks with a twist/squeeze
3 sets of 10-12

Rope Tri Ext
4 sets of 10-20
SS w/Cable Curl
4 sets of 8-12

Cycle notes so far, I'm having some terrible back pumps, arm pumps and calf pumps, My taurine is at 10g now so I will up my sodium intake and will see what happens. Other than that, i seem to have severe mood swings A LOT. I can be flying high one minute then on the verge of tears the next minute for no real reason. Im not sure what is causing that, but I will post my supp doses tomorrow with an update. I have a feeling PCT is really going to suck.
 
What is your using for an AI? Those emotions sound like out of whack estrogen problems
 
You had problems with backpumps since the beginning of your cycle? Must suck bro... I know people keep saying drink a ton of water but have you tried anything else besides taurine? Gatorade/electrolytes?
 
McCrew530 said:
What is your using for an AI? Those emotions sound like out of whack estrogen problems
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Im using 1mg of Liquidex along with 25mg of exemastane in the AM, and if I remember Transform in the PM after my shower.

My nips are not as sensitive anymore, and I want to keep em that way.
 
goodvibes said:
You had problems with backpumps since the beginning of your cycle? Must suck bro... I know people keep saying drink a ton of water but have you tried anything else besides taurine? Gatorade/electrolytes?
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No, I think they've been really bad for the last 3 or 4 weeks, thats when i started using taurine. I wanted to see how long I could last before using it lol. Im upping my electrolytes and i'll use aleive or ibuprofen to no avail. I drink over 2 gallons a day, so no worries there. I have 3 wks left, so i'll handle the back pumps if I keep getting stronger lol.
 
Day 63
AM Back
Pullups - crappy
10, 9, 8, 8

Pendlay Rows
135x10, 185x10, 10 225x10

Underhand Grip BB Row
225x8, 8, 8

MTS Lat Stretch Mach
60x15, 15, 15

MTS High Roch Mach - Constant Tension
60x12, 12, 12

PM Legs
Box Squats
w-up
135x5x2
225x5
315x5, 5, 5, 5, 5
225x10, 10

Deficit Deads - Stretch Hammies
225x5x5

ISO Leg Ext
5 sets of 12-15

Leg Press
5 sets of 20

Leg Ext
3 sets of 12-15

Cycle notes. Supplement doses are Trest Ace 100mg (25mg 430-5am, 25mg 11am, 50mg 4pm), Tr3st 25mg Pre-Workout (including AM and PM), DMZ 80mg (40mg 430 AM, 40mg 4PM), EPI 75mg (30mg 430AM, 15mg 11AM, 30mg 4PM), I also started Ostar1ne at 25mg (10mg 430 AM, 15mg 4pm). Besides the mood swings, back pumps and all around body pumps, not much else to report.
 
McCrew530 said:
How much mass would you say you have gained
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From when I started using EPI/DMZ I was at 222, now I'm almost 240 and the first 4 weeks my weight didn't change, but my strength was going up. The beginning of the 5th week I dropped my fats in order to up my carbs, thats when my weight took off! In 2 weeks ive put on nearly 18lbs! I hope I can keep most of it in PCT. I went from being able to fit in medium dress shirts to larges now dont really fit lol.
 
Four_Stroke said:
From when I started using EPI/DMZ I was at 222, now I'm almost 240 and the first 4 weeks my weight didn't change, but my strength was going up. The beginning of the 5th week I dropped my fats in order to up my carbs, thats when my weight took off! In 2 weeks ive put on nearly 18lbs! I hope I can keep most of it in PCT. I went from being able to fit in medium dress shirts to larges now dont really fit lol.
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Nice. I would say a good majority of that weight gain is glycogen being stored but keep plowing through and lifting heavy ass weight and you should be able to turn that into some solid mass
 
McCrew530 said:
Nice. I would say a good majority of that weight gain is glycogen being stored but keep plowing through and lifting heavy ass weight and you should be able to turn that into some solid mass
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I know you're right, but i dont want to accept it lol. I wish it was all muscle haha. Come PCT, I plan to keep my carbs as high or very close to where they are now.
 
18lbs in 2 weeks thats sick man! I know Rich Piana put out a video on 30lbs in 30days, but couldnt believe it.

Good work man, how you got left in your cycle
 
Nitro41 said:
18lbs in 2 weeks thats sick man! I know Rich Piana put out a video on 30lbs in 30days, but couldnt believe it.

Good work man, how you got left in your cycle
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I have just under 3 weeks left. I'm going to try and keep my weight the same and try to harden everything up. Im sure I can really blow up bigger if i wanted too, but then id have to buy more clothes lol.
 
Four_Stroke said:
I know you're right, but i dont want to accept it lol. I wish it was all muscle haha. Come PCT, I plan to keep my carbs as high or very close to where they are now.
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Thats a good idea. eat like you were still on cycle and hope that your body is able to keep the lean pounds on. It always baffles me when people try to cut right out of a cycle...
 
Four_Stroke said:
I have just under 3 weeks left. I'm going to try and keep my weight the same and try to harden everything up. Im sure I can really blow up bigger if i wanted too, but then id have to buy more clothes lol.
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ya Im starting tr3st/dmz next week and ready to blow up! This logs got me pretty stoked.

So low rep compounds with 12-20rep assitance/pump lifts seems to be the hot ticket to tack on hard mass? I know Ill get stronger, but really trying to bulk up.
 
McCrew530 said:
Thats a good idea. eat like you were still on cycle and hope that your body is able to keep the lean pounds on. It always baffles me when people try to cut right out of a cycle...
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I know right, some people are so dumb. I'll probably re-arrange my carb timing to maximize everything and utilize some GDAs.
 
Nitro41 said:
ya Im starting tr3st/dmz next week and ready to blow up! This logs got me pretty stoked.

So low rep compounds with 12-20rep assitance/pump lifts seems to be the hot ticket to tack on hard mass? I know Ill get stronger, but really trying to bulk up.
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I dropped my fats and raised my carbs. What do you plan to dose at?

As far as lifting, i like to do powerlifting style for my main lifts and bodybuilder style for assistance lifts.
 
DMZ 20/40/40/40/60/60

tr3st 50/75/100/100/x/x

I might take it over 100 depends on side. I have oral and TD on hand

Then start osta last 2wks @20mg then when pct starts run it 10/10/10/5/5

Got dermastrength and super pct, and gonna go with nolva, got clomid on hand too but think 1 or the other should be good enough
 
Nitro41 said:
DMZ 20/40/40/40/60/60

tr3st 50/75/100/100/x/x

I might take it over 100 depends on side. I have oral and TD on hand

Then start osta last 2wks @20mg then when pct starts run it 10/10/10/5/5

Got dermastrength and super pct, and gonna go with nolva, got clomid on hand too but think 1 or the other should be good enough
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Why not run DMZ at 40/40/60/60/60/80, use up the entire bottle and utilize DMZ's GDA properties. I'd personally would run tr3st at or over 100mg myself, you could do 25mg +TD in the morning and 50mg pre-workout. Good idea on starting osta early as well, I did a similar thing.
 
Day 64
AM Shoulders
Rev Cable Fly W-up
15x12x3

Seated OH BB Press
W-up
95x10x2 115x10x2 135x10x2 155x10, 10, 9

DB Lat Raise
30x12x3 35x12

Rev Cable Fly
30x15x4

High Rope Facepull
30x15x3


PM Chest
Seated Cable Fly W-up

Bench
W-up
135x5
185x5
225x5
255x5
265x5
275x5
225x10

DB Inc Press
70x10 90x8 110x9 75x10

Slight Inc DB Fly
30x12x4
Inc DB Fly
45x8x3

Flat Magnum Bench Mach
45x15 90x10x3

Seated Cable Fly
35x15x5

Bench - Yes 2nd time in 1 workout
185x7, 7
225x6
245x5
275x2
185x9
135x12 - Burnt out!

Nothing new to report that I can think of.
 
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