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what's a good otc test base to run with Epi?

fleshbat

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I'm a newb to PH, etc and a hard gainer. I've been working out naturally for sometime. I was just wondering what a good OTC test base for running Epi. Right now I'm having to take the legal route and I know every AAS/PH needs a test base. I am very paranoid of a shut down. Also, would Torem be a good stand alone PCT? Planning this in a few months(perhaps longer, when I feel I have gained substantial knowledge and feel confident enough to throw that in my body.) Your serious recommendations are greatly appreciated.
 
fleshbat said:
I'm a newb to PH, etc and a hard gainer. I've been working out naturally for sometime. I was just wondering what a good OTC test base for running Epi. Right now I'm having to take the legal route and I know every AAS/PH needs a test base. I am very paranoid of a shut down. Also, would Torem be a good stand alone PCT? Planning this in a few months(perhaps longer, when I feel I have gained substantial knowledge and feel confident enough to throw that in my body.) Your serious recommendations are greatly appreciated.
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i would say AAR/Gorilla Pharm wicked pct or GV1
 
you will be shut down no matter if you use a test base or not , test bases are usually used to combat sides as lethargy, Libido issues etc while being on ph/ds.

I would go with trest ( been using it for almost 2 months now and my Libido is through the Roof , no lethargy at all , rock hard erections etc ) but watch out for increased e2 , use it with an AI
 
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Well reviewed option there to combat lethargy
 
fleshbat said:
I'm a newb to PH, etc and a hard gainer. I've been working out naturally for sometime. I was just wondering what a good OTC test base for running Epi. Right now I'm having to take the legal route and I know every AAS/PH needs a test base. I am very paranoid of a shut down. Also, would Torem be a good stand alone PCT? Planning this in a few months(perhaps longer, when I feel I have gained substantial knowledge and feel confident enough to throw that in my body.) Your serious recommendations are greatly appreciated.
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Every cycle doesn't need a test base people over exaggerate that.

For test base like compounds you have

Trestolone - which is 7a methyl nandrolone, but acts very similar to testosterone in how it activates the androgen receptor.

Androsterone/Epiandrosterone - which are the 3 hydroxy 17 ketone precursors to DHT, androsterone being 3a, Epiandrosterone being 3b. A and b just mean the position of the hydroxy function in relation to the steroid core be it pointing up or down and they use different enzymes to convert to the 3 ketone function. This is a stronger androgen being that it converts to DHT and isn't 100% like test.

Topical DHEA - Dermacrine basically which is a precursor to all steroid hormones

and lastly the 4 double bonded isomer of DHEA called

4-DHEA - Which will only convert to testosterone and then from test it can become estrogen or dht.
 
well although I rec test shots, i guess adding M1D from LG would help... but i still rec shots...
 
Mestebol would be a nice dht base.. Which is really what most people are looking for.. But Celtic is having a hard time keeping it in stock
 
Trestolone. Great base. Just make sure you have an AI in case it starts to aromatize on you. You should have an AI anyway, but even moreso in this case.
 
I was planning on running a cycle of epi, stano, and 4-andro... Anybody run this combo before that can tell me how well it worked for them? Sides? Gains?
 
musclemaker said:
I was planning on running a cycle of epi, stano, and 4-andro... Anybody run this combo before that can tell me how well it worked for them? Sides? Gains?
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That would be great, same gains as epi solo. Maybe some hardening and aggression in the gym.
 
cant go wrong with trest. You can get it with TR3ST in oral and in td with Dermatrest.
 
musclemaker said:
I was planning on running a cycle of epi, stano, and 4-andro... Anybody run this combo before that can tell me how well it worked for them? Sides? Gains?
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I have. 4-ad makes me bloat and didn't seem to have much of an additional effect. Stano made me irritable, but hardened a little. I liked Epi (I stacked it with trenazone and stano, and I think 4-ad for part of the time) but it made me really lethargic. That's the reason I recommend trestolone. I've used Celtic personally, both their transdermal and capsules. I have been meaning to try Olympic, but I can never find what I'm looking for in stock.
 
srblan said:
I have. 4-ad makes me bloat and didn't seem to have much of an additional effect. Stano made me irritable, but hardened a little. I liked Epi (I stacked it with trenazone and stano, and I think 4-ad for part of the time) but it made me really lethargic. That's the reason I recommend trestolone. I've used Celtic personally, both their transdermal and capsules. I have been meaning to try Olympic, but I can never find what I'm looking for in stock.
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Oral Tr3st and transdermal trest from ol are both in stock literally everywhere
 
I read that tr3st being a Nor aggravates prolactin issues, don't want leaky nipples. I see people say use an AI, I use aromasin, but AIs don't keep progestin at bay. So does tr3st/trestolone cause progestin issues. If so is inhibit p strong enough?
 
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