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3rd cycle. Need help!!

hildiman

hildiman

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OK Guys, I'm planning on doing a cycle end of July. 750 test e and 400mg Tren. Will be running HCG through the cycle.
My first 2 cycles were dissapointing. Not much results, but that was because my diet wasn't in check and I believe I may have crashed estrogen being paranoid about Gyno.
I've recently hired an on line coach, diet/training/steroid expert. He's gotten me on a calorie deficient diet. High Protein. My body fat was 17%. I've lost 10lbs now in the 2 weeks I've been following his diet.

He has recommended I do a cycle 16 weeks Test e and Tren. I have all my gear and PCT allready.
One thing I'm very confused about is, my online coach recommends I take 40mg of Nolvadex a week to keep estrogen at bay. I have arimidex on hand in case i need it.
I asked someone else about this and he told me you never, never, never take Nolvadex with a 19 nor. He told me I'm going to seriously **** myself up.
I really need some opinions here. Should I disregard what my coach has advised and use an AI and Prami through the cycle?
 
Most of that weight you lost is water. When I started my cut, I lost 5 lbs in 7 days. Week 2-4 I lost 2 lbs which was right on target. 1lb/week. I thought AI was to run next to SERM on PCT?
 
The Nolvadex thing doesn't make sense to me at all. I understand the importance NOT to crash estrogen.
Nolvadex is just a blocker. I always thought you needed to run an AI like stane (aromasin) along with Caber or Prami for prolactin controll
 
hildiman said:
The Nolvadex thing doesn't make sense to me at all. I understand the importance NOT to crash estrogen.
Nolvadex is just a blocker. I always thought you needed to run an AI like stane (aromasin) along with Caber or Prami for prolactin controll
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You are correct here. On cycle, use an AI and prami/caber to control estro and prolactin respectively. Nolva is a HUGE no-no and will potentially have you lactating. Also, why is the test so high? When you run tren/test the tren hogs the receptors and leaves on the extras to the test which creates more free test that can convert to estrogen, thus causing more sides. You really only need a trt dose of test just to keep yourself feeling good and functional. The test really wont do much work and all the extra will only cause problems. Honestly, this cycle doesn't sound very good and your coach doesn't seem to know what he's talking about - especially with the Nolva.

Also, what tren ester are you using and for how long? If its acetate, you def do not want to run it for 16 weeks. You'll be a mess.

Diet wise, thats a legit deficit and should suit you (assuming your maintenance was correct). If you weren't eating especially clean or were far overeating before starting, yes, as stated above, the first 7-14 days you will drop 5-15lb of mostly water/glycogen and then things will normalize from there and you should be losing closer to 1-2lb/wk.
 
booneman77 said:
You are correct here. On cycle, use an AI and prami/caber to control estro and prolactin respectively. Nolva is a HUGE no-no and will potentially have you lactating. Also, why is the test so high? When you run tren/test the tren hogs the receptors and leaves on the extras to the test which creates more free test that can convert to estrogen, thus causing more sides. You really only need a trt dose of test just to keep yourself feeling good and functional. The test really wont do much work and all the extra will only cause problems. Honestly, this cycle doesn't sound very good and your coach doesn't seem to know what he's talking about - especially with the Nolva. Also, what tren ester are you using and for how long? If its acetate, you def do not want to run it for 16 weeks. You'll be a mess. Diet wise, thats a legit deficit and should suit you (assuming your maintenance was correct). If you weren't eating especially clean or were far overeating before starting, yes, as stated above, the first 7-14 days you will drop 5-15lb of mostly water/glycogen and then things will normalize from there and you should be losing closer to 1-2lb/wk.
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I agree that this coach is suspect, for the reasons stated here and also because if OP couldn't manage his own nutrition then he's probably not ready for steroids, even if he does have previous cycles under his belt. I don't think a legitimate coach would put such a client on gear.

OP, where's the gear coming from? Are you getting it on your own or are you buying it from the coach? I'm guessing the coach is providing it, hence the up-sell...
 
Yes, your correct, got the gear from the coach. I've seen the lab listed on a Canadian forum. Hopefully it's legit
 
booneman77 said:
You are correct here. On cycle, use an AI and prami/caber to control estro and prolactin respectively. Nolva is a HUGE no-no and will potentially have you lactating. Also, why is the test so high? When you run tren/test the tren hogs the receptors and leaves on the extras to the test which creates more free test that can convert to estrogen, thus causing more sides. You really only need a trt dose of test just to keep yourself feeling good and functional. The test really wont do much work and all the extra will only cause problems. Honestly, this cycle doesn't sound very good and your coach doesn't seem to know what he's talking about - especially with the Nolva.

Also, what tren ester are you using and for how long? If its acetate, you def do not want to run it for 16 weeks. You'll be a mess.

Diet wise, thats a legit deficit and should suit you (assuming your maintenance was correct). If you weren't eating especially clean or were far overeating before starting, yes, as stated above, the first 7-14 days you will drop 5-15lb of mostly water/glycogen and then things will normalize from there and you should be losing closer to 1-2lb/wk.
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I also thought the test was on the high side. I have test E and Tren E, 16 weeks. Also He recommended Winstrol 1st 4 weeks and last 4 weeks. Also DNP caps to burn any excess fat.
 
dbrock504 said:
Most of that weight you lost is water. When I started my cut, I lost 5 lbs in 7 days. Week 2-4 I lost 2 lbs which was right on target. 1lb/week. I thought AI was to run next to SERM on PCT?
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i dont feel an AI is needed, its been shown to raise test, but in people producting test or taking it, in PCT with levels crashed... i would not, or i would stop it in first week of pct IMO i would rec a tamox/clomi combo for PCT
 
hildiman said:
I also thought the test was on the high side. I have test E and Tren E, 16 weeks. Also He recommended Winstrol 1st 4 weeks and last 4 weeks. Also DNP caps to burn any excess fat.
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IMO this is insanely overkill. Unless you're planning on competing (and no offense but judging by your avatar you're nowhere close) that many compounds and with bad planning advice already prevalent, Id get a new coach. That cycle is just total overkill for someone who has yet to define their diet and clearly has a lot of natural potential still because of that. It also seems like if you've run 2 cycles already and seen "no real gains" that your training is most likely suspect as well. Honestly, I think you would be best suited to take a few months, play with your diet (you really dont even need a coach for this as you can trial/error on your own and see how you do and feel), play with a couple different training styles (4-6wks each type), and then run a simpler cycle (like a straight 16weeker of just test with maybe a kicker or finisher) and go from there. If you aren't competing then what's the rush to potentially make a huge, life altering mistake.
 
So Booneman, what in your opinion would be a sensible dosage? Perhaps 400 test 400 tren?
and run Aromasin 12.5mg ed to control sides?
 
hildiman said:
So Booneman, what in your opinion would be a sensible dosage? Perhaps 400 test 400 tren? and run Aromasin 12.5mg ed to control sides?
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I had my best results with 150 test and 350 tren ew. With that low test you won't need the ai nearly as much (most likely) since there isn't much free test left floating around to convert. Of course this is still personal so you can start at maybe half that aromasin dose and see how you feel. You don't want to totally crush you estro either. Make sure you have prami or caber to control prolactin sides from the tren.
 
jbryand101b said:
400mg of tren e is a low dose of tren btw. If you get sides, your going to wish you had tren ace.
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This is a great point. Totally forgot we were talking e not ace. Ace is much better IMO.
 
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