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PH help? I'm a little overwhelmed

hulkamaniac54

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Hey I'm new to the site, but I have been looking around the site for about a week. I came looking to the site because I was interested in trying a ph, but after reading through these posts i am overwhelmed. My main concern is making sure I run the best pct possible using clomid or nolva. My next goal is to pick a good ph for my first time, for lean muscle not to gain weight. I am 27, I am about 6'2 270 about 20 percent body fat last time it was measured. I have been lifting since high-school, but lifting hard the past five years.
 
Ill line you up a cycle that you should enjoy. MANY guys on here have been having great dmz cycles so here ya go man.
Dmz
30/45/45/45/45/60 or close to this

On cycle support

Cel cycle assist
8 caps a day

Pct
Nolva
20/20/10/10

Cel pct Assist
4 caps a day

Reduce Xt
0/0/3/3/3/3

Run an AI two weeks past you're serm
For example
Arimistane
0/0/100/75/50/25

This would be an enjoyable cycle no doubt. Weight gain is dependent on diet.
 
Have you tried this cycle before yourself? I've tried test-boosters before and didn't really get out of them what i wanted. I certainly am going to do much more research before i make purchases, but are there any specific brands you've heard were the best?
 
Super DMZ 3.0 has had some great reviews and I've got one sitting for next cycle. It's not a test booster lol it's a pro hormone stack. 3 methyls in one.

It might be a little harsh for your first tbh. It's mathyld not only one but three. Lolll I think it's to much personally
 
Yeah I know its not a test-booster, I was just saying that is the last thing i had tried outside of just protein and vitamins
 
hulkamaniac54 said:
Yeah I know its not a test-booster, I was just saying that is the last thing i had tried outside of just protein and vitamins
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If you are not so sure of DMZ then run something simple like EPI.

Celtics Epi is awesome. I just got done stacking it with some other stuff but it was badass OP.
 
hulkamaniac54 said:
Have you tried this cycle before yourself? I've tried test-boosters before and didn't really get out of them what i wanted. I certainly am going to do much more research before i make purchases, but are there any specific brands you've heard were the best?
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Didn't realize this is your first cycle? Dmz 30mg is enough. Up it if you want.
And actually the cycle I laid out is the one I'm starting very soon :)
Just slightly different.
 
My bad reps, yeah first cycle. In that case if i do go the dmz route i will stick with the 30 unless i feel i need a bump the last two weeks. what brands have you decided on?
 
hulkamaniac54 said:
My bad reps, yeah first cycle. In that case if i do go the dmz route i will stick with the 30 unless i feel i need a bump the last two weeks. what brands have you decided on?
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DMZ is just super dmz 3.0. IML I think?
 
NattyAsGraham said:
Super DMZ 3.0 has had some great reviews and I've got one sitting for next cycle. It's not a test booster lol it's a pro hormone stack. 3 methyls in one.

It might be a little harsh for your first tbh. It's mathyld not only one but three. Lolll I think it's to much personally
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Yeah it's way too harsh for a first cycle.
 
To be honest mate.. I really really think you should avoid DMZ for now.. It's a methylated product meaning it's harsh on the liver...

Not just that but it has THREE different methyls inside.... If you want great gains for first cycle go something not methylated like epi..

If you want a mass gainer that's methylated go sigh SUPERDROL. One of the best prohormones ever made. at least that is only one methyl inside. I did a 4 week cycle gained 16lb lost 4% body fat.

Only lost about 2lb on pct.
 
NattyAsGraham said:
To be honest mate.. I really really think you should avoid DMZ for now.. It's a methylated product meaning it's harsh on the liver...

Not just that but it has THREE different methyls inside.... If you want great gains for first cycle go something not methylated like epi..

If you want a mass gainer that's methylated go sigh SUPERDROL. One of the best prohormones ever made. at least that is only one methyl inside. I did a 4 week cycle gained 16lb lost 4% body fat.

Only lost about 2lb on pct.
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There is so much wrong with this post. wow
 
NattyAsGraham said:
To be honest mate.. I really really think you should avoid DMZ for now.. It's a methylated product meaning it's harsh on the liver...

Not just that but it has THREE different methyls inside.... If you want great gains for first cycle go something not methylated like epi..

If you want a mass gainer that's methylated go sigh SUPERDROL. One of the best prohormones ever made. at least that is only one methyl inside. I did a 4 week cycle gained 16lb lost 4% body fat.

Only lost about 2lb on pct.
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Let me get this straight, you say DMZ is to much for a first cycle, and you just recommended superdrol?

I can't even begin to comprehend your logic.
 
reps4jesus said:
Let me get this straight, you say DMZ is to much for a first cycle, and you just recommended superdrol? I can't even begin to comprehend your logic.
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It's a single methyl compound. Instead of the body trying to break up 3 different compounds in one hit. Problems counting Jesus?
 
NattyAsGraham said:
It's a single methyl compound. Instead of the body trying to break up 3 different compounds in one hit. Problems counting Jesus?
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You don't understand what dmz is.
It's a single compound.
Please do research before talking out your ass.
 
NattyAsGraham said:
To be honest mate.. I really really think you should avoid DMZ for now.. It's a methylated product meaning it's harsh on the liver...

Not just that but it has THREE different methyls inside.... If you want great gains for first cycle go something not methylated like epi..

If you want a mass gainer that's methylated go sigh SUPERDROL. One of the best prohormones ever made. at least that is only one methyl inside. I did a 4 week cycle gained 16lb lost 4% body fat.

Only lost about 2lb on pct.
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Some important info that'll clear up your confusion and prevent OP's confusion: DMZ =\= Super DMZ 3.0
DMZ is a single compound, dymethazine. Super DMZ 3.0 is a triple stack of dymethazine, methylstenbolone, and alpha one.

The cycle laid out in post two is a good one, with the dosages lowered
 
All is good in this thread.

Dmz=good
Super dmz 3.0=no
Superdrol=no
 
Good summary. For the OP I wouldn't run dmz that high on a first cycle. 30-40 mg for the entire cycle would be optimal.
 
Nutri-verse
DYMETHAZI9E-36.95 caps are 20 mg so, 40 throughout?
Cycle Assist by competitive edge 8 caps a day
Milk thistle 2 a day
Reduce xt – 0/0/0/3/3/3

Pc
+1 Bottle of ELIM1NATE
+1 Bottle of AR1MACARE PRO
+1 Bottle of SUP3R PCT
Nolva 20/20/10/10

I realize it needs some work. the pct for instance the top three were a packaging deal
 
hulkamaniac54 said:
Nutri-verse DYMETHAZI9E-36.95 caps are 20 mg so, 40 throughout? Cycle Assist by competitive edge 8 caps a day Milk thistle 2 a day Reduce xt - 0/0/0/3/3/3 Pc +1 Bottle of ELIM1NATE +1 Bottle of AR1MACARE PRO +1 Bottle of SUP3R PCT Nolva 20/20/10/10 I realize it needs some work. the pct for instance the top three were a packaging deal
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Take out the PRO and the super pct. Nolva eliminate will be fine IMO. Anyone else?
 
hulkamaniac54 said:
Nutri-verse
DYMETHAZI9E-36.95 caps are 20 mg so, 40 throughout?
Cycle Assist by competitive edge 8 caps a day
Milk thistle 2 a day
Reduce xt – 0/0/0/3/3/3

Pc
+1 Bottle of ELIM1NATE
+1 Bottle of AR1MACARE PRO
+1 Bottle of SUP3R PCT
Nolva 20/20/10/10

I realize it needs some work. the pct for instance the top three were a packaging deal
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You could throw the AR1MACARE PRO on cycle with the cycle assist instead of off cycle.
 
first cycles can be tough there is so much research you need to do.

first PH cycles i recommend would be halodrol,ultradrol,stano
epi is good but it is a class 3 ph it can be pretty toxic and not the best for a first cycle.

single compounds for sure stay away from blends and stay a from dmz and clones of it, its too harsh for sure.
be sure to pre load cycle support at least 2 weeks prior to cycle and use a liver support supplement since oral ph tend to make the liver work harder due to the mentholated compounds

pct is more crucial then the cycle i will stand by that til i die.

nolva-20/20/10/10 or clomid- 100/100/50/50 would work fine but if your nervous my go to serm is torem-120/90/60/30

during pct you will need a natty test booster not only for to help the serm get you back to stasis but to help with some of the mood issue which can happen in pct

A.I should be used during weeks 2-6 pct to help with estrogen raise

creatine should be used in pct along with all normal staples supplements and vitamins research some logs on ph cycles and plan accordingly

good luck
 
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hulkish1 said:
first cycles can be tough there is so much research you need to do.

first PH cycles i recommend would be halodrol,ultradrol,stano
epi is good but it is a class 3 ph it can be pretty toxic and not the best for a first cycle.

single compounds for sure stay away from blends and stay a from dmz and clones of it, its too harsh for sure.
be sure to pre load cycle support at least 2 weeks prior to cycle and use a liver support supplement since oral ph tend to make the liver work harder due to the mentholated compounds

pct is more crucial then the cycle i will stand by that til i die.

nolva-20/20/10/10 or clomid- 100/100/50/50 would work fine but if your nervous my go to serm is torem-120/90/60/30

during pct you will need a natty test booster not only for to help the serm get you back to stasis but to help with some of the mood issue which can happen in pct

A.I should be used during weeks 2-6 pct to help with estrogen raise

creatine should be used in pct along with all normal staples supplements and vitamins research some logs on ph cycles and plan accordingly

good luck
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Epi is to harsh for a first cycle but you recommend ultradrol? Stano doesn't even count as a ph. Your clomid dosing is also off. There are also lots of people who run dmz as a first cycle


OP..

Dmz: 30/30/30/30/30(maybe 45)
or
hdrol: 50/50/75/75/75/75

cycle assist: 8 caps
Taurine: 3-6g

pct:
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Daa: 3g e/d
reduce xt (optional)
 
epi is worst on your body then ultradrol,

so yes a 4week cycle on ultradrol is not as bad as a 4-5week epi.

stano is an entry level ph a gateway ph
 
Here OP. I wrote this just today for common questions like yours.

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MADE A MISTAKE! I'LL OWN THAT,

everything is spot on other then the ultradrol. even though i have had more sides personally with epi over ultradrol is more harsh on the organs.
 
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