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Making natural gains after AAS

Yeah I can tell that 205 isn't built on steroids. Any serious person can see that. 40lbs of muscle? Maybe 20-25 the rest is water and fat. He looked squishy in that movie haha. Not a physique to envy... Dwayne tho... FUKIN YOKED outta his mind
 
hurdlemaker said:
indeed, Dwayne looked insane in pain and gain and should look even crazier in Hercules, I posted the trailer for Hercules in ur thread didn't I dave? Invalid Link Removed
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Yeah you did. Soooo sick. I'm seriously like a kid counting down days till Christmas
 
I'm literally teared up from laughing
 
Added potassium nitrate and betaine to my preworkout. Legs today was brutal. Just threw up a little at a stoplight and my legs were shaking the whole way home. Did leg press, hack squats, wide squats on the smith machine and fst-7 on extensions.
 
hurdlemaker said:
Added potassium nitrate and betaine to my preworkout. Legs today was brutal. Just threw up a little at a stoplight and my legs were shaking the whole way home. Did leg press, hack squats, wide squats on the smith machine and fst-7 on extensions.
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What are you dosing the potassium nitrate at? I have some but rarely use it. Maybe I wasn't dosing it high enough.
 
hardwork25 said:
What are you dosing the potassium nitrate at? I have some but rarely use it. Maybe I wasn't dosing it high enough.
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the first day I did 300mg and didn't notice too much, today I did 450 and my legs felt like they were gonna explode, they still feel super full
 
hurdlemaker said:
Cool those are the same ones I have. Maybe I'll try 4 tomorrow haha
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I'm a big fan of 4 caps + a scoop of whatever preworkout I'm using that day. Pumps are pretty damn good, endurance and strength are awesome. Energy from the stimmed pre and I'm good to go
 
I'll run 4 today and see. I don't use any pre workouts so maybe I'll try 4 again tomorrow with a pre and see the difference lol
 
Wow 4 potassium nitrate pills is the ticket! I was moving weight today like it's my second week on a var cycle, possibly the strongest I've ever been for shoulders and tris
 
Potassium nitrate yields 66% nitrates.

You can reasonabley and safely use about 1.6g KNO3 to yield about 1g of NO3 when run concurrently with Vit C. I suggest titrating up to that dose as some shortness of breath may happen as you adjust.

At that amount you need to find a more cost effective route. :)

BTW - add 1g of Agmatine and 6-8g of l-citrulline to that and you're performance capacity and intraset recovery is remarkably improved. The libido enhancement via LH stimulating of Agmatine in addition to the VO2 increase via NO3's and l-citrulline make for quite the performance... ;)
 
David Dunn said:
Potassium nitrate yields 66% nitrates. You can reasonabley and safely use about 1.6g KNO3 to yield about 1g of NO3 when run concurrently with Vit C. I suggest titrating up to that dose as some shortness of breath may happen as you adjust. At that amount you need to find a more cost effective route. :) BTW - add 1g of Agmatine and 6-8g of l-citrulline to that and you're performance capacity and intraset recovery is remarkably improved. The libido enhancement via LH stimulating of Agmatine in addition to the VO2 increase via NO3's and l-citrulline make for quite the performance... ;)
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Sounds like wicked pumps, better than AAS?
 
David Dunn said:
Potassium nitrate yields 66% nitrates. You can reasonabley and safely use about 1.6g KNO3 to yield about 1g of NO3 when run concurrently with Vit C. I suggest titrating up to that dose as some shortness of breath may happen as you adjust. At that amount you need to find a more cost effective route. :) BTW - add 1g of Agmatine and 6-8g of l-citrulline to that and you're performance capacity and intraset recovery is remarkably improved. The libido enhancement via LH stimulating of Agmatine in addition to the VO2 increase via NO3's and l-citrulline make for quite the performance... ;)
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thanks man, yeah I knew the yield, that's what turned me onto this supplement. I hadn't thought about going that high, maybe I'll try ramping up to that. I'm taking with 1g agmatine, 3g L-Citrulline and some other stuff (Creatine, beta alanine, betaine, and some stuff for focus and a little energy), I'll try upping the L-Citrulline also. I have def noticed the libido bump as well which I already had from the Optimum Alpha, now I feel 15 lol
 
Good stack, nothing compares to Arachidonic Acid for AAS free gains though.
 
SwolenONE said:
Good stack, nothing compares to Arachidonic Acid for AAS free gains though.
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I've been taking gluc/chon/msm for this whole time and started some cissus a few days ago to make sure I don't hurt myself moving more weight, I could try throwing in two ARA caps pre workout and see how it goes. Idk tho maybe I've been making pretty solid gains, some joint trouble is the last thing I need
 
superbeast668 said:
Sounds like wicked pumps, better than AAS?
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Although its great for pumps its really more about (for me) the enhanced intraset recovery and overall work load increase.

The enhanced performance along with a great diet and training protocol and my body composition benefits very well. There is also a sustained fullness, vascularity and self confidence that comes from it as well.
 
David Dunn said:
Although its great for pumps its really more about (for me) the enhanced intraset recovery and overall work load increase. The enhanced performance along with a great diet and training protocol and my body composition benefits very well. There is also a sustained fullness, vascularity and self confidence that comes from it as well.
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I've gotta agree with all of this, I am recovering very fast and I still feel full from the gym at 11am or so. I'm pumped for my back workout tomorrow!!
 
The only time I can recall my libido being this high is either when I've been on test or when I used to take a product called paravol, have any of you taken that? Its already been way up this whole time but seems even more so since I started the potassium nitrate.
 
hurdlemaker said:
The only time I can recall my libido being this high is either when I've been on test or when I used to take a product called paravol, have any of you taken that? Its already been way up this whole time but seems even more so since I started the potassium nitrate.
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Sounds awesome i might have to try this!
 
NattyForLife said:
Sounds awesome i might have to try this!
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its an awesome combo, I'm impressed, DAA, fenugreek, long jack, horny goat weed and agmatine already had me feeling great and now I'm really pumped and revved up since I added the PN. I almost wanna start doing two a days
 
I've been trying to think what I want to do after 8 weeks of bulking on this optimum alpha, I don't wanna run DAA more than 8 weeks. I think I may just do a month of zma and one tribulus before the gym in the morning and one in the late afternoon, keep all the other supplements the same. Try and clean up my diet a little further and add in a little cardio to tighten up.
 
hurdlemaker said:
its an awesome combo, I'm impressed, DAA, fenugreek, long jack, horny goat weed and agmatine already had me feeling great and now I'm really pumped and revved up since I added the PN. I almost wanna start doing two a days
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Two a day? My wife would be relieved by the cutback... :D
 
Yesterday I was 238 (+13) when I woke. Almost done bulking and time to start melting off some fat. Been feeling great, last week I was fitted for two tuxes for weddings that are in a couple months, so I guess I need to stop growing for a little bit haha. Quick question... Does anyone know the nitrate yield for Creatine nitrate?
 
Gonna sound stupid but I didn't realize there was a creatine nitrate. I always get pissed at the new kinda and go back to ol faithful mono. Nitrate is intriguing though.. I'll do a little reading later this afternoon and share if I find anything worth while.
 
I think Creatine monohydrate or Creatine hydrochloride mixed with potassium nitrate is ur best bet. I was just wondering what % of nitrates there were, David probably knows
 
239 (+14lbs) today. Pretty awesome for 8 weeks. Ill spend a few weeks cutting now. I don't feel as if I gained much fat at all during this bulk period, my body fat seems to be about the same as when i started. I feel like I've been on a very low dose of test. I figure I'll spend about a month leaning up then back to clean bulk. Which is basically what I'm almost always doing.

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Def. put on some size. Should look pretty good after your cut. What's your cut plan look like?
 
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