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Smash is Bulking: 1-test c/test e/test base/eq

Lukef2000 said:
Ahh cool that's good to know, my latest blood work is not good and I'm almost certain I'm going to end up on trt so blast and cruising will be a definitive option.

congrats on the 202 but get better bro!
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It's definitely the way to go if you want to put on size and stop yoyoing. Plain and simple youll reach a size naturally and aas gets you there and beyond faster, and the more you cycle the harder it gets to maintain and gain off cycle - until blast an cruise is the ONLY option. It's called slingshot training, and the whole protocol is well documented - google "you'll want to read this Ronnie Rowland."

And thanks, after being sick I've bounced back to 198.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
Yeah Smash get better brah, I got sick too and it screwed with my appetite. It always seems like u get sick on cycle right when things r going good. Congrats on the weight gain though brah, u got this.
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Ya it's kinda irritating, makes me all anxious about getting back - my whole demeanor sucks when I'm not expending energy at the gym, like I'm straight pissed and want to smack people. And ya I have enough problems with hunger not being sick, anyone know a good appetite stimulant that won't leave you stony? Right now it's EQ GHRP, but if there's like some workout supplement that makes you hungry that'd be sick.
 
smash1904 said:
And ya I have enough problems with hunger not being sick, anyone know a good appetite stimulant that won't leave you stony? Right now it's EQ GHRP, but if there's like some workout supplement that makes you hungry that'd be sick.
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Closest I've found is Anabeta.
Next to tren and eq I guess lol.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Closest I've found is Anabeta.
Next to tren and eq I guess lol.
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Have you tried it? I'm not really sure what it is, other than North African camomile root... It boosts hunger?

Anyways Ive had great results with ghrp2/6 in the past, and the EQs working cause I feel my hunger coming back with a vengeance. I did have one friend say to smoke cause it'll give you the munchies but that stuff makes me retarded and I'm pretty sure Id eat straight crap.
 
smash1904 said:
Have you tried it? I'm not really sure what it is, other than North African camomile root... It boosts hunger?

Anyways Ive had great results with ghrp2/6 in the past, and the EQs working cause I feel my hunger coming back with a vengeance. I did have one friend say to smoke cause it'll give you the munchies but that stuff makes me retarded and I'm pretty sure Id eat straight crap.
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Lol the munchies will make u eat everything. I'd only smoke b4 a cheat meal lol
 
smash1904 said:
Have you tried it? I'm not really sure what it is, other than North African camomile root... It boosts hunger?

Anyways Ive had great results with ghrp2/6 in the past, and the EQs working cause I feel my hunger coming back with a vengeance. I did have one friend say to smoke cause it'll give you the munchies but that stuff makes me retarded and I'm pretty sure Id eat straight crap.
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It definitely increases my appetite after a couple weeks but being on anabolics I'm not sure you'd be able to tell since you're already hungrier than normal.
 
Speaking of 1-T, my last 3 pins have been brutal.
It waits til the day after I pin and then crashes inside the glute.
I'd never wish this upon anyone lol.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Speaking of 1-T, my last 3 pins have been brutal.
It waits til the day after I pin and then crashes inside the glute.
I'd never wish this upon anyone lol.
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Haha I know right? It needs to be diluted and even then the pain is pretty intense, and it lingers much longer than anything else I've ever tried. I'd definitely say its the most painful thing I've ever injected, Id never use it straight without diluting it(even 1:1 wasn't enough) and I'd warn anyone taking it that they're in for some crippling injections. This stuff made me limp around - but Id definitely say its still worth taking.
 
smash1904 said:
Haha I know right? It needs to be diluted and even then the pain is pretty intense, and it lingers much longer than anything else I've ever tried. I'd definitely say its the most painful thing I've ever injected, Id never use it straight without diluting it(even 1:1 wasn't enough) and I'd warn anyone taking it that they're in for some crippling injections. This stuff made me limp around - but Id definitely say its still worth taking.
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Yeah I pin with 1.5ml of other additional oils and still hurts lol.
My pin yesterday hasn't crashed yet. Hope I'm not jinxing it.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Yeah I pin with 1.5ml of other additional oils and still hurts lol.
My pin yesterday hasn't crashed yet. Hope I'm not jinxing it.
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Haha ya it's kinda weird cause some of them are significantly worse than other times. I did my last one Friday and its still super sore.
 
Day: 53 - day 7 first deload

Weight: 198

I got a couple of the pounds back, I imagine it was mostly dehydration. I'm pretty lean too, my wife says more so now that I've added in GHRP - when I go to the bathroom in the morning I do an injection and go back to sleep. Then dextrose/whey when I wake up followed by coffee/coconut oil. I'll also have a big bowl of oatmeal. Kinda been the start of my day for the last week.

I forgot to mention this last Friday was my last reload injection, I went 11-12 weeks and I can honestly say 8 weeks on is where it's at. The last couple of weeks my energy has gone down, as has my sex drive. Also sides have been going up like acne, headaches, irritability, hbp and an elevated heart rate.

So I'm one week into my two week deload. I'm still using 600mg eq per week, and I think I need to start donating blood and plasma. My blood pressure is going back down, but I think lowering my blood volume would also help with that problem in general. This is with celery seed extract and Hawthorne berry, I can only imagine if I hadn't been using them. I had to take anxiety medication to lower my blood pressure.

The next 8 weeks:
Test e 500mg
Eq 600mg
Insulin 5-10iu post workout

I also got some halotestin, been wanting to experiment with it for awhile. Any thoughts?
 
I also forgot to say I'm switching back over to GVT, I'm having trouble making it to the gym 6x a week right now so worked out a 4 day split. It's just difficult with my wife going into her third trimester.
 
Day: 63 - 3rd day 2nd blast

Weight: 202

I did my first injection Sunday night:
Eq 300mg
Test e 500mg
this will happen again Thursday before I cut the test dose in half and go to my regular injection schedule of Monday Friday. I'm still on the fence about adding halo or another oral. It'd either be halo or dbol preworkout or tbol 60mg/day. I'm leaning torwards just the eq/test e for this blast with insulin post workout.

I am feeling pretty refreshed coming into this blast, my blood pressure is well within normal ranges and my skin looks alright. I've had a huge surge in hunger over the last couple days, my weight and energy has picked up and I've felt really strong in the gym. I'll report how my libido is after my next injection.

So here's my current training routine:

A) Push/Pull
Cable chest press 10x10
Hammer row 10x10
Cable pec fly 3x10
Hammer pulldown 3x10
Face pull 2x30
Leg-ups 3x10-10x10
The hammer pulldown is more of a negative, I pulldown, hold, and then only release one arm at a time while the other arm continues holding. That way TUT is the whole time the other arm is doing a rep as well as when it's actually doing the rep. Also I really focus on squeezing my pecs with the press and fly, gets a good burn.

B) Legs
Squat 5x5
Hack squat 5x10
Leg curl 10x10
Leg ext 3x10
Seated calf press 3x10
Standing calf press 3x10
KB swing 2x30-60
I squeeze and hold my quads with leg ext at full extension for extra burn.

C) Shoulders/Shrugs
Cable over head press 10x10
Rear smith shrug 10x10
Seated side raise machine 3x10
Hammer front raise 3x10
Upright row 2x30
Medicine ball side-to-side 2x30-60
I do upright rows with a rope on low cable, sort of like a low face pull, it's much easier feeling on my shoulders and wrists.

D) Bis/Tris
Preacher curl 10x10
Cable pulldown 10x10
Hammer curl 3x10
Cable tricep pullover 3x10
Superset:
Reverse grip ez bar curl 2x30
Dumbbell kickback 2x30
Back ext 2x30-60
I squeeze and hold at full ext with the cable tricep pullover.

I try to make sure there's two days between A and C and a day between C and D. Also on the last set its not really a set amount of reps, I just go to failure. I'm actually really liking it so far, I always wonder why I shy away from this style of training.
 
Day: 67 - 7th day 2nd blast

Weight: 202

Weights lingering, but I know that's cause I'm not eating enough. I've had a pretty good surge in libido, so I'm definitely feeling on again after that 2nd injection. I'm feeling pretty strong moving the weight around, and my shoulder workout this week was great, awesome pump and I haven't had that kind of soreness in awhile...

Onto pressing matters: I am really considering throwing tbol into this blast, I started researching it again, and all I can think of is how much I've liked it in the past, how it'll help with more lean gains, and what 80mg/day would be like.

Should I add 80mg tbol/day?
 
Day: 71

Weight: 202.5

Weights starting to edge up a little bit, I haven't been super hungry, but the last two days I've been starving and eat tell I have acid reflux. I was actually 206 but having trouble going to the bathroom yesterday and took something for that, bringing me down to 202.5.
 
Lukef2000 said:
Throw the tbol in. Just cos ;)
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Haha I did, I realized 500mg test e with 600mg eq wouldn't actually put that much lean tissue on. Raising test would increase estrogen and sides and 600mg eq seems to be the sweet spot. Plus I liked test/mast/tbol so much I figured I should give it a go. I've heard good things about test/eq/var and so I said what the heck, give it a shot. Almost over night my muscles seemed to fill out a bit, and actually heard this from a few different people... Plus I seem harder.

I read 0.4mg x lb of body weight is tbols sweet spot, so this sounded like a good number. I really wanted more of an anabolic effect without any significant increase in androgenic sides.
 
Alright so as I mentioned Ive been doing 5iu insulin post workout and feel I have a pretty good handle on it. So I read more into slin protocols and came across "mutants insulin protocol:"

- -30 min prior to workout: Take 10iu HGH subq

- -15 min prior to workout: Take 6-16iu Novalog subq

- -10 min prior to workout: Drink shake #1

- -After every working set: Sip on shake #2, and finish by end of workout

- -Go home

- -Take 100mcg of the IGF-1lr3 (for it's insulin sensitizing effects)

- -Take down shake #3

- -Done..now you are huge

Ok, now what is in the shakes...

Shake 1: 10-20g EAA's or PeptoPro Protein powder , 40-60g Low DE Maltodextrin, 5g Micronized Creatine Monohydrate, 200mg Caffeine (or pre-workout powdered mix of choice in place of caffeine)

Shake 2: 10-20g EAA's or PeptoPro Protein powder, 50-100g Dextrose, 5g Micronized Creatine Monohydrate

Shake 3: 2 cups pasteurized egg whites, 1 cup dry oats, 1 banana or 1 cup blueberries (I prefer them to be frozen), splenda or stevia

Looks pretty awesome...
 
So here's the protocol I'll be trying out:

- -40 min prior to workout: Take 125mcg GHRP2, 100mcg Mod no dac subq
OR
BOOM dose 1000mcg GHRP2 100mcg Mod no dac subq
With 3g AAKG, 2g Citrulline and 2g Carnitine-tartrate

- -10 min prior to workout: Drink shake. Take 6-10iu Humalog subq

- -After every working set: Sip on shake #2, and finish by end of workout

- -Go home

- -Take Vitamin D3(for it's insulin sensitizing effects)

- -Take down shake #3

- -Now I'm huge

Shakes:

Shake 1: 30g unflavored whey, 60g Gatorade mix, 5g Micronized Creatine Monohydrate, 300mg Caffeine

Shake 2: 30g unflavored whey, 60g Gatorade mix, 5g Micronized Creatine Monohydrate

Shake 3: 30g unflavored whey, 50g waxy maize, 1 naked juice green/blue/red machine
 
I'm so irritated by how often this app freezes up and deletes everything I write. Super disheartening. I've all bit given up on uploading pics too, the app sucks plain and simple.
 
Day: 80

Weight: 207

My weight goes back and fourth a bit, so I weigh myself before and after I go to the bathroom and try to make up the weight lost with food ASAP. My tummy is perpetually bulging up near my ribs from all the food and liquid I'm consuming, but I judge my appearance based on the way I look first thing in the morning(time of least distention).

Now to sum up what I tried to say the other day, this protocol is pretty nutty. The pump feels like your muscles are water-balloons filling up with water, but they feel harder, and then they don't seem to shrink from the size they pump up to. I dunno if Id say the pump is painful, but as you progress the muscle gets stiff and harder to move. Ill get an actual number tonight cause post workout my biceps were 18.5 inches.

I would like to say I need to take at least 10g of dextrose per iu of slin, cause anything under that and I start getting sweaty confused and irritable. Headaches are horrible. Also if I don't eat something when I take the slin, and then post workout I'll feel fatigued and sick - today I woke up and started the day with just whey and dextrose for my workout and it was not good. I couldn't eat and eventually threw up. I'm only now getting hungry and feeling normal(albeit sore as sh*t).
 
smash1904 said:
I'm so irritated by how often this app freezes up and deletes everything I write. Super disheartening. I've all bit given up on uploading pics too, the app sucks plain and simple.
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Yup. They need to spend some money and sort out all the glitches.
 
Day: 84

Weight: 204

I thought the insulin had made me sick, but I think I was actually just sick. Haven't been able to eat much the last couple days, I've been feeling nauseous. Work outs have been pretty rough too.

My wife doesn't really care though, she said until we have a good schedule and diet regiment that I shouldn't be following and insulin protocol. She can't shake the danger of the stuff, and with her being pregnant I guess I'll oblige - I should be eating more anyways while using the stuff.
 
Sorry guys, my phone app has stopped working completely, I'm actually on my wifes phone now. Dropped slin cause it was making me sick, switched tbol for tren :D
 
The recomp effects of tren are pretty impressive. It also appears to have boosted my libido... I was thinking I was going to need to get some mast and prami for sure, but so far so good.
 
smash1904 said:
The recomp effects of tren are pretty impressive. It also appears to have boosted my libido... I was thinking I was going to need to get some mast and prami for sure, but so far so good.
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Tren is awesome. Im using it right now stacked with test E and masteron ( proprietary blend, single bottle) and the synergistic effects are amazing.
 
I'll catch up here soon, I'm hust cruising right now with very little time for the gym - I'm expecting my first child 5/2. So much to do, so little time, I've been working two jobs and remodeling our place on days off. I can't wait to get back on a regular schedule, not hitting the weights leads to pent up aggression.

Will start updating again soon, wish I could of continued tren but I felt like I was wasting it. Plus I was putting up with the sides with minimal benefit.
 
Day: 128

Weight: 190

So my cruise ended up being close to a month, dropped a fair amount of weight getting my finances straight and getting my house ready for the baby. I'll be a daddy any day now- freaking crazy.

I'm getting to the gym regularly again, and it has felt really good. A lot of my injuries are feeling better, and everything feels really light.

Onto my blast:
EQ 600mg/week
Test E 500mg/week
Mast E 400mg/week
Honestly I'm tempted to increase the dose on these, like an extra cc of each:
EQ 900mg/week
Test E 750mg/week
Mast E 600mg/week
Any thoughts?
I'm kickstarting this with 20/40 dbol/drol, just to get my weight back up. Honestly I'm thinking of taking 25mg dbol/day - preworkout.
 
Took me long enough but I'm caught up.
Possible maybe mast e test e and anavar. That's what I'm running this summer. Not sure on dosages but I'm thinking
Test e 500-750
Mast- 400-600
Var - 80-10
Might even consider running winny from weeks 1-4. Before I have to start taking Adex for estrogen.
With eq a friend of mine dident blood drain or anything and wen he went in to give blood he said it was very clumpyish. So give blood brah.
 
thyrod said:
Took me long enough but I'm caught up.
Possible maybe mast e test e and anavar. That's what I'm running this summer. Not sure on dosages but I'm thinking
Test e 500-750
Mast- 400-600
Var - 80-10
Might even consider running winny from weeks 1-4. Before I have to start taking Adex for estrogen.
With eq a friend of mine dident blood drain or anything and wen he went in to give blood he said it was very clumpyish. So give blood brah.
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I ran var/test last summer, it was legit, really awesome energy and physical endurance... I was really strong too, felt pretty good. But I couldn't gain weight for ****, I just shredded up over the summer. With var and mast being so similar I don't think you'd see much of a difference - they're both DHT derivatives.

I'd run mast or var with eq for sure, I've seen someone call var/eq/test the Greek god stack, and seen others talk about synergy between mast and eq. I chose mast over var this time cause I'd only have to deal with two to three injections per week rather than daily dosing - wouldn't it be sick if there was an oxandrolone enanthate? I also like the way mast makes you feel, the huge libido increase is awesome, and you can keel upping the dose where as var is pretty limited.

I am running adex and Clomid, thanks for bringing up blood donations. There's a clinic that will pay me to do that, like $100 per week, right by my house - getting paid to do something you should be doing anyways? FTW.
 
Day: 129

Weight: 190.5

Judging by how much bigger I look this is water weight. This is basically a lean bulk, feel good blast and so far its feeling pretty good, other than the ccs of mast in my right cheek which doesn't feel good at all. God I hate glute shots, always hurts. My wife manages to scare me about site rotation every now and then, and it always sucks so bad I'll go weeks without rotating out of my quads.

Another good session tonight, now I'm just forcing myself to eat without hunger.

So a thought occurred to me: why not use Max LMG as a progestin derivative? The stuff is super cheap, and has a lot less sides then tren or deca, and I'd bet gains would be on par with deca/NPP... I won't run deca again, and tren only when I need to, but I'd be down to blast test/mast/max lmg for sure. Expect to see me logging it soon.
 
So I'm donating blood and they said it looks like I just ate a meal with a lot of fat, if it's too thick it'd clog the machine... BTW is donating plasma sufficient? Or do I need to loose the red blood cells too?
 
Day: 130

Weight: 191

I am so thirsty its ridiculous, I drink 1pt every 2-3 hours and I still feel dehydrated. And I see it all going to my muscle, they're just inflating. I'd dropped a pants size, bit I'm already feeling them get tighter again.

So I've decided my next three blasts:
1) 600mg EQ, 600mg mast, 500mg test/week
2) 900mg EQ, 600mg mast, 500mg test/week
3) 900mg EQ, 600mg mast, 750mg test/week
But if I can get myself some max lmg I'd skip either 2) or 3) dosage increase for 700mg max lmg.

Oh and I'm going to give slin another go, not sure yet whether pre or post workout. I felt a lot better doing it post but saw better results doing it pre.
 
The compounds you have listed in your potential blasts aren't great mass builders. If you're going for a cut, then it makes sense.

Personally, I've found much better success when I keep test moderate (400-600mg/week) and throw in a good mass and/or strength builder. 600mg EQ is also relatively mild and I'd bump that up to at least 800-900mg regardless of what else you throw in there.

Regarding thirst, is your urine clear or slightly yellow? Your water consumption isn't ultra high and you have to remember that you're producing more RBCs than usual due to the EQ.
 
thyrod said:
You really like your eq.
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I figured it's mild, and makes me hungry and keeps me anti catabolic during my cruises, and with it having such a long half life I might as well make it my constant. I got the idea from a friend who said even when he's not running anything he's still running eq, and back when I ran prohormones I ran a 12 week cycle of bold at 800mg so know what it does for me.
 
Rodja said:
The compounds you have listed in your potential blasts aren't great mass builders. If you're going for a cut, then it makes sense.

Personally, I've found much better success when I keep test moderate (400-600mg/week) and throw in a good mass and/or strength builder. 600mg EQ is also relatively mild and I'd bump that up to at least 800-900mg regardless of what else you throw in there.

Regarding thirst, is your urine clear or slightly yellow? Your water consumption isn't ultra high and you have to remember that you're producing more RBCs than usual due to the EQ.
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Ok please help set me on track, here's my logic:

I understand diet and cardio is what determines everything, and this is me experimenting, but-
Test: great for putting on size, fair amount of sides
Eq: much slower quality gains, increased hunger, no noticeable sides at 600mg/week.
Mast: also slower quality gains, low sides, makes me look and feel my best.
Tren: the one I took out of the stack to see if I'd make progress without it. I don't really like the way I look or feel on tren- I mean the body transformation is crazy, but I'm all hot n sweaty, sticky, blotchy, greasy and broken out and this was at about 300mg/week.

I've read of their being synergy between test/mast/EQ, and had an awesome time on test/mast/tbol so figured the tbol and EQ was interchangeable(being similar in results, sides and derivatives). What I was looking for is quality gains, with low sides all while feeling good. 10-15 lbs in an 8 week blast while maintaining or lowering bf didn't didn't seem too crazy, and having three blasts with increased dosages made that seem even more plausible.

I know there's better compounds, but I'm not trying to run a lot of test or methylated compounds, or deca, so picked a stack with growth potential out of a list of compounds I was comfortable with and would also be comfortable increasing how much I'm dosing.

Mind you I'd really like to run 1-test some more. Test/1-test/dbol would be sick, but I'm not going to get any for awhile.
 
smash1904 said:
Ok please help set me on track, here's my logic: I understand diet and cardio is what determines everything, and this is me experimenting, but- Test: great for putting on size, fair amount of sides Eq: much slower quality gains, increased hunger, no noticeable sides at 600mg/week. Mast: also slower quality gains, low sides, makes me look and feel my best. Tren: the one I took out of the stack to see if I'd make progress without it. I don't really like the way I look or feel on tren- I mean the body transformation is crazy, but I'm all hot n sweaty, sticky, blotchy, greasy and broken out and this was at about 300mg/week. I've read of their being synergy between test/mast/EQ, and had an awesome time on test/mast/tbol so figured the tbol and EQ was interchangeable(being similar in results, sides and derivatives). What I was looking for is quality gains, with low sides all while feeling good. 10-15 lbs in an 8 week blast while maintaining or lowering bf didn't didn't seem too crazy, and having three blasts with increased dosages made that seem even more plausible. I know there's better compounds, but I'm not trying to run a lot of test or methylated compounds, or deca, so picked a stack with growth potential out of a list of compounds I was comfortable with and would also be comfortable increasing how much I'm dosing. Mind you I'd really like to run 1-test some more. Test/1-test/dbol would be sick, but I'm not going to get any for awhile.
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IME, test isn't a great mass builder after that first run. Sides on it are very subjective, but it's still mild in terms of sides and ancillaries needed. You're pretty dead on about EQ in that the LBM added is slow, but virtually side effect free. Mast is an adjunct to modulate sides. You'll add virtually zero mass with it, but you'll likely feel better with it. However, EQ and tbol are far from interchangeable. I really can't think of similarities besides being anabolics and that anxiety is semi common with them.

You're expectations for a blast are not very realistic either. I'm not sure what your cruise doses with be, but 15 lbs is a long shot at best. I'd look to add 5-8 lbs of quality LBM during the blast since the compounds you listed are low on the sides and, hence, have less anabolic potential.
 
Rodja said:
IME, test isn't a great mass builder after that first run. Sides on it are very subjective, but it's still mild in terms of sides and ancillaries needed. You're pretty dead on about EQ in that the LBM added is slow, but virtually side effect free. Mast is an adjunct to modulate sides. You'll add virtually zero mass with it, but you'll likely feel better with it. However, EQ and tbol are far from interchangeable. I really can't think of similarities besides being anabolics and that anxiety is semi common with them.

You're expectations for a blast are not very realistic either. I'm not sure what your cruise doses with be, but 15 lbs is a long shot at best. I'd look to add 5-8 lbs of quality LBM during the blast since the compounds you listed are low on the sides and, hence, have less anabolic potential.
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I hadn't really thought of test as not being real good for mass, but now that I think about its kind of just for maintenance and making you feel normal, right? Might give you better gains if you up the dose but you'd have better results with less sides by adding different compounds. I would argue masts ability to put on size, just because there was a noticeable difference between test/mast/tbol and test/tbol for me. Either way though it's good to run because it "modulates sides" and makes me look and feel good. So with that in mind we will call mast an ancillary drug like Clomid or adex, both of which I take.

So what does that mean? It's basically a test/EQ cycle right? So leaving mast at 400-600mg/week out of the equation(because I'm running it for reasons other than mass) how do I turn it into a better cycle for bulking? Do I just increase the dosage of everything?
Test E 750mg/week
EQ 900mg/week
Mast 600mg/week
Will this illicit 10-15 lbs of growth in an 8 week blast? They're numbers higher than I've ran across the board. Maybe you could make a suggestion cause I'm even considering adding 200mg tren per week, and was already planning on giving slin another shot.

Finally, I'm debating tbol and EQ being similar. They're both mild with little to no sides, both give slower quality gains even if tbol would do it slightly faster. And they're both test derivatives, and the differences are EQ aromatizes to a small degree, tbol doesn't and tbol lowers SHBG, EQ doesn't. I had considered adding it to the stack, but thought I'd be better off looking into something that doesn't bind strongly to the AR, mediating its effects in a different way.
 
smash1904 said:
I hadn't really thought of test as not being real good for mass, but now that I think about its kind of just for maintenance and making you feel normal, right? Might give you better gains if you up the dose but you'd have better results with less sides by adding different compounds. I would argue masts ability to put on size, just because there was a noticeable difference between test/mast/tbol and test/tbol for me. Either way though it's good to run because it "modulates sides" and makes me look and feel good. So with that in mind we will call mast an ancillary drug like Clomid or adex, both of which I take.

So what does that mean? It's basically a test/EQ cycle right? So leaving mast at 400-600mg/week out of the equation(because I'm running it for reasons other than mass) how do I turn it into a better cycle for bulking? Do I just increase the dosage of everything?
Test E 750mg/week
EQ 900mg/week
Mast 600mg/week
Will this illicit 10-15 lbs of growth in an 8 week blast? They're numbers higher than I've ran across the board. Maybe you could make a suggestion cause I'm even considering adding 200mg tren per week, and was already planning on giving slin another shot.

Finally, I'm debating tbol and EQ being similar. They're both mild with little to no sides, both give slower quality gains even if tbol would do it slightly faster. And they're both test derivatives, and the differences are EQ aromatizes to a small degree, tbol doesn't and tbol lowers SHBG, EQ doesn't. I had considered adding it to the stack, but thought I'd be better off looking into something that doesn't bind strongly to the AR, mediating its effects in a different way.
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Depending how long the blast is, you could get the 10 lbs (there's a myriad of factors that play into this, though). I'd imagine you're trying to keep it leanish, but I'd go with dbol over tbol. It's a much better bulker and lower on the sides compared to tbol. With your dose of mast, you'll already have E2 and SHBG modulation and you'll likely feel freaking amazing.

With me, I cruise on both test and EQ; test to keep my current mass and EQ for collagen synthesis along with appetite at a dose of 300mg and 400mg, respectively. My blast is a higher dose of test (450-600mg/week depending on other compounds) and EQ (800-1000mg/week). The other compound(s) I add depend on the phase and time of year. 1Test is my preferred blasting compound as I respond very well to it in terms of strength, some leaning, and a bump in aggression. It's without a doubt my favorite compound to run and am so happy that it's available in powder again. I'm not a big user of orals outside of pre-meet or when I'm several months away from my meet (at least 3-4 months out) so I can spare my liver.
 
Rodja said:
Depending how long the blast is, you could get the 10 lbs (there's a myriad of factors that play into this, though). I'd imagine you're trying to keep it leanish, but I'd go with dbol over tbol. It's a much better bulker and lower on the sides compared to tbol. With your dose of mast, you'll already have E2 and SHBG modulation and you'll likely feel freaking amazing.

With me, I cruise on both test and EQ; test to keep my current mass and EQ for collagen synthesis along with appetite at a dose of 300mg and 400mg, respectively. My blast is a higher dose of test (450-600mg/week depending on other compounds) and EQ (800-1000mg/week). The other compound(s) I add depend on the phase and time of year. 1Test is my preferred blasting compound as I respond very well to it in terms of strength, some leaning, and a bump in aggression. It's without a doubt my favorite compound to run and am so happy that it's available in powder again. I'm not a big user of orals outside of pre-meet or when I'm several months away from my meet (at least 3-4 months out) so I can spare my liver.
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Awesome. You may have read Ronnie Rowlands "you'll want to read this" on slingshot training. Its pretty comprehensive and I've been working it for awhile. I'm finally maintaining and gaining the way I want to, so what I'm getting at is I'm doing an 8 week blast two week cruise protocol and its been great. So with 8 week blasts in mind, and 10 lbs leanish weight gain per blast I've considered 80mg of tbol daily, 80mg of var daily, 15mg M1T two weeks on two weeks off, and 30-50mg dbol first 4 weeks, with a stack that looks something like this:

Test E 375mg/week or 750mg/week without Test P
Test P 225mg/week
Mast E 400mg/week or 600mg/week
EQ 600mg/week or 900mg/week

1) not sure to run 600mg or 750mg test.
2) 400mg mast was sick when I did, should I do more?
3) I've heard EQs sweet spot is 600mg but then I've heard 900mg is great too.
4) I'd think it'd be pointless to run mast and var at the same time.
5) Tbol/mast/test made me competition ready when I wasn't prepping for a competition.
6) M1T and dbol are great for mass, but I'm not sure if I want to go all out getting puffy and putting on fat(not sure if it'd be as pronounced with mast/clomid/adex) but I'll run 25mg dbol/day preworkout cause I feel I have a better workout.

So what it comes down to is the dosage of those three injectables and which oral. You should just see my workout notebook where I've written out protocols with pros n cons, I spend a little too much time considering all of this...
 
smash1904 said:
Awesome. You may have read Ronnie Rowlands "you'll want to read this" on slingshot training. Its pretty comprehensive and I've been working it for awhile. I'm finally maintaining and gaining the way I want to, so what I'm getting at is I'm doing an 8 week blast two week cruise protocol and its been great. So with 8 week blasts in mind, and 10 lbs leanish weight gain per blast I've considered 80mg of tbol daily, 80mg of var daily, 15mg M1T two weeks on two weeks off, and 30-50mg dbol first 4 weeks, with a stack that looks something like this:

Test E 375mg/week or 750mg/week without Test P
Test P 225mg/week
Mast E 400mg/week or 600mg/week
EQ 600mg/week or 900mg/week

1) not sure to run 600mg or 750mg test.
2) 400mg mast was sick when I did, should I do more?
3) I've heard EQs sweet spot is 600mg but then I've heard 900mg is great too.
4) I'd think it'd be pointless to run mast and var at the same time.
5) Tbol/mast/test made me competition ready when I wasn't prepping for a competition.
6) M1T and dbol are great for mass, but I'm not sure if I want to go all out getting puffy and putting on fat(not sure if it'd be as pronounced with mast/clomid/adex) but I'll run 25mg dbol/day preworkout cause I feel I have a better workout.

So what it comes down to is the dosage of those three injectables and which oral. You should just see my workout notebook where I've written out protocols with pros n cons, I spend a little too much time considering all of this...
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1. What dose(s) have you used previously?
2. If 400mg works, keep at that dose.
3. 600mg/week is almost the minimum for LBM. If you can afford 900mg, the do that.
4. Pretty much
5. Then you know what works for a "cut."
6. M1T is a monster and not worth the sides to me. 50mg of dbol is my vote.

It's far better to spend too much time than not enough and to precisely note your blast so you know what has worked in the past for you.
 
Rodja said:
1. What dose(s) have you used previously?
2. If 400mg works, keep at that dose.
3. 600mg/week is almost the minimum for LBM. If you can afford 900mg, the do that.
4. Pretty much
5. Then you know what works for a "cut."
6. M1T is a monster and not worth the sides to me. 50mg of dbol is my vote.

It's far better to spend too much time than not enough and to precisely note your blast so you know what has worked in the past for you.
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1) With test I've used 600mg/week for short periods, figured 750mg would be worth trying, but do I really need to if I'm adding 50mg dbol/day? I think I'd get as much with less sides out of 600/50 then 750/50.

2) sounds good

3) I've been running 600mg for awhile, I'll bump it up for two blasts to see how I like it.

4) so they are too similar of compounds to see much of a difference then just more mg of one or the other? Really my consideration with this was last summer I ran 250mg/week test e, 25mg/day dbol, and 80mg/day var and was quite surprised by how much it brought out my abs, and how the sides were nill. Would it maybe be worth trying a mast/test/eq/var blast in the future?

5) ok I now know a good cut for myself

6) 50mg dbol it is:

Test E 375mg/week
Test P 225mg/week
Mast E 400mg/week
EQ 900mg/week
Dbol 50mg/day

So you think I should change up my cruise? Right now I'm doing 600mg EQ but was considering:

Test E 125mg/week
Mast E 100mg/week
EQ 300mg/week

Thanks again for going over this with me. Sometimes I need a little mentoring...
 
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