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First PH cycle, have a few questions

K561r

K561r

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this is my first PH cycle, I went to the local supp. shop and he recommended me bottle of PaladinLabs "Shock & Awe" ... it comes with 60 pills. Included a free bottle of liver support.

The 2 active ingredients in the 72mg "Shock & Awe" blend are:

32mg: 2,12a-dimethyl-5a-androsta-1-en-17b-ol-3-one

And

40mg: 13ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)diene-17-one

He told me to take 2 of these per day, in addition to taking 2 capsules of "tri-pharm liver support" each day from start of cycle until I'm finished (which has dandelion root, milk thistle, and a few other root extracts)

He also gave me some natural test booster when I told him I didn't want to have no sex drive for 30 days. He said when I'm almost done with the cycle to come back and get the generic bottle of PCT which is over the counter..

I did some research and decided to start taking milk thistle this week (plan on starting cycle 1 week from today) although he reassured me I wouldn't need any kind of pre-cycle.

I also plan on taking black market Adren.o.lyn Bulk pre workout (before workouts obviously) and a fish oil pill with each PH pill. I also take creatine, zma before bed, and protein throughout the day.



Now for the questions..

1. I learned from some research that most people recommend a more intense PCT then an over the counter generic one. Such as clomid? Also should I start my pct after my cycle is complete or start it during the last week? I've heard different opinions. What do you guys think?

2. The liver support pill he said to take during my cycle has milk thistle in it, does this hinder gains?

3. Can anyone identify the ingredients in the Ph? I think I read somewhere that one of them is tren?

4. Are these dosages good to go based off what the bottle says? Taking 2 pills(72mg each) per day for the 30 days cycle. I've read that you should start with less dosages and increase midway through cycle? He told me 2 per day for 30 days and 2 of the liver support per day from start of cycle until I run out of them. Any differing opinions on this?

5. I read that I should also take a BCAA supp. Is there any other supplement I should take during the cycle besides the liver support pills he gave me?


Thanks in advanced, sorry for all the questions. I just wanna make sure I do this right before I jump into it.
 
Your planning on taking aas based of what some guy in the supplement shop said. Do you even know what your taking?
 
I think you should not take any of this stuff until you don't have to ask questions about it.

Just my opinion.
 
stann123 said:
Your planning on taking aas based of what some guy in the supplement shop said. Do you even know what your taking?
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Well I figured I could get some questions I had answered on here but didn't realize that nobody is willing to help. I'm not like some retarded 16 year old trying to juice up.

I have done a good amount of research on PH's, I just couldn't find any information on this certain product and just about everything I've seen online is just people saying different things..

Some people say milk thistle is absolutely necessary before and during the cycle, some say that it messes up gains and should only be taken before and after the cycle.. Some people say OTC ptc's are fine, some people swear by only using SERMS like clomid, etc.

I just thought I could come on here to clear some **** up but so far all I've gotten is disrespect and no help whatsoever.
 
K561r said:
Well I figured I could get some questions I had answered on here but didn't realize that nobody is willing to help. I'm not like some retarded 16 year old trying to juice up.

I have done a good amount of research on PH's, I just couldn't find any information on this certain product and just about everything I've seen online is just people saying different things..

Some people say milk thistle is absolutely necessary before and during the cycle, some say that it messes up gains and should only be taken before and after the cycle.. Some people say OTC ptc's are fine, some people swear by only using SERMS like clomid, etc.

I just thought I could come on here to clear some **** up but so far all I've gotten is disrespect and no help whatsoever.
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You wrote exactly what a 16 year old would. We're not being dicks, its just obvious your not ready for a cycle. You said you've done research, and its clear you need to do more
 
I'm gonna help, copy and past those compounds into google. Happy birthday.
 
K561r said:
this is my first PH cycle, I went to the local supp. shop and he recommended me bottle of PaladinLabs "Shock & Awe" ... it comes with 60 pills. Included a free bottle of liver support. The 2 active ingredients in the 72mg "Shock & Awe" blend are: 32mg: 2,12a-dimethyl-5a-androsta-1-en-17b-ol-3-one And 40mg: 13ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)diene-17-one He told me to take 2 of these per day, in addition to taking 2 capsules of "tri-pharm liver support" each day from start of cycle until I'm finished (which has dandelion root, milk thistle, and a few other root extracts) He also gave me some natural test booster when I told him I didn't want to have no sex drive for 30 days. He said when I'm almost done with the cycle to come back and get the generic bottle of PCT which is over the counter.. I did some research and decided to start taking milk thistle this week (plan on starting cycle 1 week from today) although he reassured me I wouldn't need any kind of pre-cycle. I also plan on taking black market Adren.o.lyn Bulk pre workout (before workouts obviously) and a fish oil pill with each PH pill. I also take creatine, zma before bed, and protein throughout the day. Now for the questions.. 1. I learned from some research that most people recommend a more intense PCT then an over the counter generic one. Such as clomid? Also should I start my pct after my cycle is complete or start it during the last week? I've heard different opinions. What do you guys think? 2. The liver support pill he said to take during my cycle has milk thistle in it, does this hinder gains? 3. Can anyone identify the ingredients in the Ph? I think I read somewhere that one of them is tren? 4. Are these dosages good to go based off what the bottle says? Taking 2 pills(72mg each) per day for the 30 days cycle. I've read that you should start with less dosages and increase midway through cycle? He told me 2 per day for 30 days and 2 of the liver support per day from start of cycle until I run out of them. Any differing opinions on this? 5. I read that I should also take a BCAA supp. Is there any other supplement I should take during the cycle besides the liver support pills he gave me? Thanks in advanced, sorry for all the questions. I just wanna make sure I do this right before I jump into it.
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for starters I would say **** the over counter **** for PCT. a SERM is always better (liquid tamox or clomid) and a regular dosage for your PH should be around 30/40/40/40. and milk thristle won't hinder progress. start taking it a week before you start your PH cycle to get in your system. along with your fish oils
 
JD261985 said:
Why can't I find 2,12a-dimethyl-5a-androsta-1-en-17b-ol-3-one anywhere on google?
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Thank you. It's not like I didn't google anything and just came here oblivious without attempting to find answers myself. I couldn't find any information about the product, so I'm asking if anybody can give me some more information
 
K561r said:
Thank you. It's not like I didn't google anything and just came here oblivious without attempting to find answers myself. I couldn't find any information about the product, so I'm asking if anybody can give me some more information
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Are you sure it's not 2,17a and not 2,12a?

It's not this? 2,17a-methyl-5a-androsta-1-en-17b-ol-3-one (Methylstenbolone)
 
K561r said:
Thank you. It's not like I didn't google anything and just came here oblivious without attempting to find answers myself. I couldn't find any information about the product, so I'm asking if anybody can give me some more information
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Well if not even google knows wtf's in that product its probably not one you should take.
 
Jbry said it's M sten with a typo. In all honesty it's too harsh for your first cycle man and you need to do a lot more research. A good first cycle would be protobol or halodrol
 
timper said:
If that's really msten in there that is one hell of a dose. Ya I'm with these guys, don't take that
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Not doubting your knowledge or advice or anything man, I'm just curious why you guys are advising me against this product? "One hell of a dose" is not convincing enough haha. Are you just implying the side effects will be bad, it will be too harsh on my liver, or what exactly?

Again, I'm just curious why not to take this... cuz the guy who sold it to me at the supp. shop told me it was a good Ph and I wouldn't have any problems as long as I did proper PCT and took liver support during the cycle (and obviously didn't drink alcohol)

I understand he might have just been trying to make a sale but I've been shopping at this place for over a year and the owner really knows his stuff and he has never been someone to shove a product down your throat. I just told him I was interested in PH's and he said this would have killer results.
 
Most of the people that sell the **** have never used it. Once you buy it you assume all risks on your part man. People are trying to tell you not to use it because it's too much for a first cycle. It's a stacked product so if you have an adverse reaction you won't know what it's from. It may fry your liver. You may end up with gyno. And running an OTC pct that's likely a result. It's a steroid. You should treat it as such. It's nothing to just jump into. Everyone that's trying to help you spent months if not years researching and planning before running a cycle. It's not a game or something to mess with until you're fully aware of what could happen. And it doesn't sound like you've gotten that far yet. So please find something else If you're set on using something.
 
kolejorg said:
Most of the people that sell the **** have never used it. Once you buy it you assume all risks on your part man. People are trying to tell you not to use it because it's too much for a first cycle. It's a stacked product so if you have an adverse reaction you won't know what it's from. It may fry your liver. You may end up with gyno. And running an OTC pct that's likely a result. It's a steroid. You should treat it as such. It's nothing to just jump into. Everyone that's trying to help you spent months if not years researching and planning before running a cycle. It's not a game or something to mess with until you're fully aware of what could happen. And it doesn't sound like you've gotten that far yet. So please find something else If you're set on using something.
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Yeah i feel you, I guess its an intense stack for a first cycle. I guess I'll just save this product for maybe 6 months or 1 year in the future and start with a more moderate PH.


Someone recommended Protobol but it seems so mild that I want to stack it with something else..

Celtic labs sells Protobol for a pretty good deal right now that comes with 60 caps of

25mg 17a-methyl-5a-androst-17b-ol

I would take 2 a day for 30 days so 50mg a day, which seems much more mild than the original stack I was planning.. would you have any recommendations for something else to stack with this that would be low risk for side effects?

Based off what I've heard from most people an OTC PCT is not enough.
As far as a SERM goes (because I definitely want the best PCT possible), someone recommended either liquid tamox or clomid, can either of these be taken in pill form? because from what I've seen on ar-r it looks to be in a form that would have to be taken by a pin.. which I would rather not do if possible.

Thanks for the help and sorry for being a total noob. I know this **** is to be taken seriously, which is why I'm researching and asking questions before I just go ahead pop a strong dose of PH (like i was advised to do by the owner of my local supp. shop.)
 
How about try halodrol or epi? I gained 20 pounds in 7 weeks on halodrol and stano. The sites serm you mentioned doesn't require a pin. It's liquid and you use an oral dropper for it. I use them and it's fine. So let's start small and build up ok? You don't need fancy you need what is proven to work and has a less likely chance of screwing you up.
 
Let me say my piece about the local supp shop guy that you trust and even looks (though not known) to have used the products before.

I went into mine a while back and with talking to him got on the subject of ph's. He did the exact same thing, saying take this product (which having done my research, I knew was too much for a first cycle) and this pct (OTC pct product). I mentioned to him about using a serm and he says, no this (OTC pct) is the best thing you can get.

I haven't been back...

Someone else suggested halo or epi for a first timer. I would agree. I'm going to run epi soon myself for 6 weeks.

There are tons of logs on here. Read through some of them.
 
CT3 said:
If you haven't figured it out yet, the second compound is max lmg.
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Yea so its a MAX LMG / M Sten stack. I've come to the conclusion that I should start my first cycle with something more mild, and I guess save this **** for later down the road.
 
kolejorg said:
How about try halodrol or epi? I gained 20 pounds in 7 weeks on halodrol and stano. The sites serm you mentioned doesn't require a pin. It's liquid and you use an oral dropper for it. I use them and it's fine. So let's start small and build up ok? You don't need fancy you need what is proven to work and has a less likely chance of screwing you up.
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Ok cool. Thanks a lot everyone who helped out, I appreciate the advice.

Is strongsupps.com a legit site to order from? They sell both: "H-Stane Halodrol by Dynamic Formulas," and "Stano by Elite Formulations." I just don't want to put my card info in if its a scam.

Also, would it be smart to stack h-drol and stano-drol at the same time, like for example:


50mg 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol ( 2 25mg caps of Halodrol)

and

450 mg 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one (3 150mg caps of Stanodrol)
each day for 30 days,

and on the final week begin taking a legit PCT such as Clomid and finish that out.
*As well as taking 2 liver support pills (with milk thistle and other roots), 2 fish oil pills, and 2 test booster pills, each day on cycle, and as a pre-load for 1 week prior to cycle.

Let me know what you think about my new plan for my 1st PH cycle (plan to start 1 monday from today).

Thanks guys.
 
I think most would do 5-6 weeks something like:

Halo: 50/50/50/75/75/75
Stano: 600/600/600/800/800/800

Everyone is a little different but for a first time I would start at 50 with the halo and see if you can/need to increase midway through. Also, the Stano isn't probably necessary. It's more of a support than anything. But, if you have the funds...
 
K561r said:
Yea so its a MAX LMG / M Sten stack. I've come to the conclusion that I should start my first cycle with something more mild, and I guess save this **** for later down the road.
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Nah return that. If your going to run something like that down the line its fine, but got with a trusted brand
 
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