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Knappy

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I'm 18 and have been working out for 2 years I weigh 165 lbs and am 6,0 ft. When I started out I was about 5,7 130 lbs for the past 5 months I haven't gained any weight and have been eating super healthy but yet still getting alot of calories, and when i dont eat alot i lose weight super quick i go down to 160 in a day. I want to try something different, I've been doing alot of research on d-Bol t-Bol and p-plex but I don't know which one to get and what to cycle with them I'm tired of staying at this same weight and seeing no gains when I hit the gym hard as s*** 6 days a week.
 
Eat a lot more. You're young. You've got high test as it is. Maybe try creatine. You really don't need to run anything yet. It's not worth it.
 
I've been eating alot idk if its not the right foods I eat a bunch of chicken, ground turkey, protein bars all that and what not and I do take creatine (beast creature) but it does not seem to be doing anything.
 
I order to grow you need carbs too man. You can't just grow on protein alone. High carbs. High protein low fat works for me. Find your bmr. Add 500 or 1000 calories to it every day. Eat a lot and work hard in the gym. Add in some protein shakes with oatmeal. You probably need to look around and find some diet plans to help you grow. If your diet isn't right running any sort of cycle will be a waste of time and just screw you up.
 
Alright thanks man do you know a good diet plan to gain weight quick? The only thing I'm allergic to is eggs
 
All I can tell you is to figure out what you need to eat a day to gain a pound a week. Some of it will be fat. But that's a nice healthy moderate way to gain mass. If you looking in the training forums I'm sure you'll find a detailed diet plan.
 
And also how do I tell the diffferece between good carbs and bad carbs or is there no difference?
 
If I'm eating clean i get my carbs from fruits and veggies. Baked potatoes. Black beans. Oatmeal. Things like that. If you're getting your carbs from Ice cream and candy that's probably not so great. Eat clean and eat a lot man.
 
Med-high carbs. High protein. Med fats.

Eat real foods (meats/fish, brown rice, beans, nuts, milk, fruits and veggies, etc)

More calories.

If you stopped gaining weight, that means you have reach the point where your TDEE is equal to your caloric intake.
 
1. Chicken, ground turkey, ect are lean and relatively low in calories. Eat more beef.

2. Stop working out 6 days a week if you want to grow. Keep it to 3-4 and make sure you get 7-9 hours of sleep.

3. Spend some time in the nutrition and training sections and not the anabolics.
 
acethetics said:
Med-high carbs. High protein. Med fats. Eat real foods (meats/fish, brown rice, beans, nuts, milk, fruits and veggies, etc) More calories. If you stopped gaining weight, that means you have reach the point where your TDEE is equal to your caloric intake.
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ChefJoey said:
1. Chicken, ground turkey, ect are lean and relatively low in calories. Eat more beef. 2. Stop working out 6 days a week if you want to grow. Keep it to 3-4 and make sure you get 7-9 hours of sleep. 3. Spend some time in the nutrition and training sections and not the anabolics.
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Awesome replys.

Slow your calorie expenditure. Get on a proven lifting program (5/3/1, GVT, doggcrapp or Y3T) and get more detailed in the kitchen.

You'll grow, give it time.
 
OP, calculate your BMR and Tdee by going to the IIFYM.com website. If you have a smartphone then download an app like MyFitnessPal and track your macros. It's really hard to track your macros by memory. Once you get the proper nutrition plan going I'm sure you will see improvement. Good luck.
 
Forget "eating clean". Just eat but don't be irresponsible about it you don't need 90% of your calories to be from chicken, sweet potatoes and broccoli to makes awesome gains.

Highly recommend tracking calories and finding a proven program though.
 
Knappy said:
What do you mean a proven lifting program what is 5/3/1? Thanks for the reply
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Google is your friend here. Wendler's 5/3/1 program is a good progressive lifting system that's been around for a while so it's proven.
 
Mystere3 said:
I wouldn't run 5/3/1 if your main goal is mass. I'd go with phat or hst.
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You don't think a stronger muscle has the potential to be a bigger muscle? Workouts are relative to the lifter.

I use doggcrapp in the off season, and have just now incorporated Y3T for my prep.
 
Knappy said:
And also how do I tell the diffferece between good carbs and bad carbs or is there no difference?
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Good carbs= whole grain bread. bad carbs=white bread. Just an example.
I like to have a solid amount of sugar post workout to spike insulin
 
tyga tyga said:
You don't think a stronger muscle has the potential to be a bigger muscle? Workouts are relative to the lifter.

I use doggcrapp in the off season, and have just now incorporated Y3T for my prep.
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Most ppl find hypertrophy in higher rep ranges, ime. When I was mostly powerlifting I didn't put on mass nearly as quickly as now even with more aggressive cycles. Most ppl I know have found the same. Strength won't necessarily suffer from higher rep workouts, either. It's also a relative thing; what requires more strength, lifting 475 once or 375 12 times?
 
Mystere3 said:
I wouldn't run 5/3/1 if your main goal is mass. I'd go with phat or hst.
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tyga tyga said:
You don't think a stronger muscle has the potential to be a bigger muscle? Workouts are relative to the lifter. I use doggcrapp in the off season, and have just now incorporated Y3T for my prep.
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Mystere normally I have no gripes with any of your posts but true powerlifting works to pack on size quick. I fully agree with tyga in this one. Especially something like the wendlers 531 with bodybuilding accessory program. I feel that the absolutely heavy lift to start with followed by hypertrophy based work is great. Even the basic meadows program I got from the internet starts with pretty heavy compound work ie inclines for 4x6 followed by 4x8 this 4x12 that 2xfailure etc etc. always starts heavy then dips into hypertrophy.



To the op, what is your actual caloric intake? Break it down into macros as well. We can all agree to start there and we can help you build your diet that way.
 
Mystere3 said:
Most ppl find hypertrophy in higher rep ranges, ime. When I was mostly powerlifting I didn't put on mass nearly as quickly as now even with more aggressive cycles. Most ppl I know have found the same. Strength won't necessarily suffer from higher rep workouts, either. It's also a relative thing; what requires more strength, lifting 475 once or 375 12 times?
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superbeast668 said:
Mystere normally I have no gripes with any of your posts but true powerlifting works to pack on size quick. I fully agree with tyga in this one. Especially something like the wendlers 531 with bodybuilding accessory program. I feel that the absolutely heavy lift to start with followed by hypertrophy based work is great. Even the basic meadows program I got from the internet starts with pretty heavy compound work ie inclines for 4x6 followed by 4x8 this 4x12 that 2xfailure etc etc. always starts heavy then dips into hypertrophy. To the op, what is your actual caloric intake? Break it down into macros as well. We can all agree to start there and we can help you build your diet that way.
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Damnit saw your reply you got it while I was sending mine. I see your logic and understand what you're talking about. Look at wendlers bb accessory program..
 
reps4jesus said:
Good carbs= whole grain bread. bad carbs=white bread. Just an example.
I like to have a solid amount of sugar post workout to spike insulin
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Sugar is definitely not your best option post-workout.
An easily digested starch or carb powder (dextrose,maltodextrin) would be better
 
Driven2lift said:
Sugar is definitely not your best option post-workout.
An easily digested starch or carb powder (dextrose,maltodextrin) would be better
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Maybe, but It works for me. I don't get much sugar in my diet. I know celltech is consider crap by a lot of people but if I have some of that I prefer it post workout with my shake. (It has dextrose). If there is a time for sugar it's after your workout IMO.
 
He's struggling to gain weight, why even get into good vs bad carbs? Just eat.
 
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