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Matthersby

Matthersby

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This thread will be like a flies life. Quick and meaningless. Just want some feedback. Here's the info:
Ran SD something like 30/20/20/10(appetite destroyed so lowered dose) along test prop/E total of 600mg test/week. This cycle ended early around November 20th for many reasons but mainly appetite/thyroid.
Clomid therapy started around December 2nd average 60mg ->30 mg/day w DAA 3g/day ended just before New Years.
Took a while to bounce back but now I'm almost back to the strength I had on cycle and hitting legs hard/heavy twice a week.
Around 2 weeks ago, the usual lumps/sensitivity came back that I would usually only have on cycle. I have been escalating my letro dose to now where I'm at 1.25mg A DAY!. no side effects as of yet. And I am certain its legit letro. These buggers are resistant though so I'm throwing Ldopa and P5P(brorecipe) and ordering some Nolva to add to the fun. Don't know what else to do but quite bewildered here.

Now what I'd like to happen is have a rebound gyno debate coupled with a prolactin gyno debate since I am aware we have some differences of opinion on this board. Mainly for learning because I am really confused about how/why this happened.
 
I don't believe prolactin is playing a role here and there's no reason to believe otherwise. Bloods would be a good idea at this point to ensure your letro is in fact legit and to monitor prolactin, amongst other things. A SERM obviously makes sense to prevent rebound gyno in pct but I would suggest including a suicide inhibitor like aromasin as it attaches to and inactivates the aromatase enzyme, making rebound gyno much less likely. I haven't had an issue with it yet and I'm very gyno sensitive
 
jaymichael said:
I don't believe prolactin is playing a role here and there's no reason to believe otherwise. Bloods would be a good idea at this point to ensure your letro is in fact legit and to monitor prolactin, amongst other things. A SERM obviously makes sense to prevent rebound gyno in pct but I would suggest including a suicide inhibitor like aromasin as it attaches to and inactivates the aromatase enzyme, making rebound gyno much less likely. I haven't had an issue with it yet and I'm very gyno sensitive
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Very gyno sensitive myself. I'm a month out of PCT with Clomid though. A thorough one too. That's the strange part. I don't metabolize estrogen well according to DNA analysis. High dosed letro is the only AI I respond to even though aromasin would be the best theoretical choice.
 
Matthersby said:
Very gyno sensitive myself. I'm a month out of PCT with Clomid though. A thorough one too. That's the strange part. I don't metabolize estrogen well according to DNA analysis. High dosed letro is the only AI I respond to even though aromasin would be the best theoretical choice.
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Very interesting... I would say yor next step is bloods. It will take most of the guess work out of your situation
 
Matthersby said:
This thread will be like a flies life. Quick and meaningless. Just want some feedback. Here's the info:
Ran SD something like 30/20/20/10(appetite destroyed so lowered dose) along test prop/E total of 600mg test/week. This cycle ended early around November 20th for many reasons but mainly appetite/thyroid.
Clomid therapy started around December 2nd average 60mg ->30 mg/day w DAA 3g/day ended just before New Years.
Took a while to bounce back but now I'm almost back to the strength I had on cycle and hitting legs hard/heavy twice a week.
Around 2 weeks ago, the usual lumps/sensitivity came back that I would usually only have on cycle. I have been escalating my letro dose to now where I'm at 1.25mg A DAY!. no side effects as of yet. And I am certain its legit letro. These buggers are resistant though so I'm throwing Ldopa and P5P(brorecipe) and ordering some Nolva to add to the fun. Don't know what else to do but quite bewildered here.

Now what I'd like to happen is have a rebound gyno debate coupled with a prolactin gyno debate since I am aware we have some differences of opinion on this board. Mainly for learning because I am really confused about how/why this happened.
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Oh shiit, well, I'm not getting involved.
One of the sides I noticed with letro at that dose is dry, cracked skin around my joints, even toe joints.
 
Estrogen rebound is a risk from ai's, serms, and supraphysiological dosages of hormones.

Suicide or non suicide doesn't matter.

You won't find any data supporting the idea either.
 
When I want to run a full pct,

I always include

Serm + letro
Pct assist
Reduce xt ( double dose)
Inhibit p + green tea caps ( 2 caps each daily)
Daa for first 12 days
Ur spray
And stop taking my vitamins.

That's how I ensure no rebound. A fully comprehensive pct.

When you read a pct should be more important than the cycle, this is it.

For me, it works, when I try to be cheap an leave stuff out, it bites me in the ass.
 
jbryand101b said:
Oh shiit, well, I'm not getting involved.
One of the sides I noticed with letro at that dose is dry, cracked skin around my joints, even toe joints.
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Haha. No involvement followed by two posts. You and fueled were the two I was hoping to hear from on this. No sides as of yet but I'll take sides over tits.
 
jbryand101b said:
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When you read a pct should be more important than the cycle, this is it.

For me, it works, when I try to be cheap an leave stuff out, it bites me in the ass.
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I usually throw alot at my post cycle and I can admit I could have been more thorough than just clomid/daa. Luckily I always keep multiple Serms/AI's on hand.
 
So I decided to go off some old advice and throw some Nolva into the mix after discontinuing epi and 7 weeks into a sust cycle. Wow. I've already dropped my Letro dose from 1.25 ED to .6 EOD and virtually no puffiness, no sensitivity. And I've only been running it at 10 mg EOD for a week. This is a must have for me on cycle from now on.
 
Matthersby said:
So I decided to go off some old advice and throw some Nolva into the mix after discontinuing epi and 7 weeks into a sust cycle. Wow. I've already dropped my Letro dose from 1.25 ED to .6 EOD and virtually no puffiness, no sensitivity. And I've only been running it at 10 mg EOD for a week. This is a must have for me on cycle from now on.
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Glad you've found what works best for you bud.
 
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