New to this website...need advice

[hainesy58]

I have been checking in and out of these forums on this site for a while now and decided to sign up. I have never posted anything on a forum before but obviously there is a first for everything. I have been lifting on/off for approximately 15 years and have taken numerous pre-ban pro-hormone supplements (CEL products, LG products, Anabolic Xtreme products, SPAWN...just to name a few) Due to my law enforcement career (now retired), I could not venture into the "real stuff" so had to get over the counter products legally. Since I have ample time now to dedicate to serious lifting I am looking for some advice. I am 40 years old and looking to first build mass then cut up before summer. My diet is pretty clean...but slip up every once in a while. I have done a lot of research and am not looking for anyone to build me a supplement program but rather help guide me as to which to choose. A friend of mine has recommended TEST E250 but I'm skeptical about any sides and injections. Kinda looking to still use legal products.

Need help deciding if I should go prohormone (looking at LG again), test booster (like SNS, Myogenix, or Gaspari) or a GH boosting product. Presently I only supplement with a preworkout(varies) and protein(BSN Syntha-6).

Again, I am not a beginner to prohormone/test booster supplementation and I know that every supplement results vary per user but I am really looking for something with minimal to no sides and non-liver toxic (since I'm getting older...LOL) Is there such a product(s)?

 

[rixrix]

A lot of questions here.
1. If by Test E 250 you mean real injectable anabolic steroids, they are probably your best real bet. They were developed by real pharmaceutical companies and are well understood. Injectables are much, much easier on your liver as well. You will NEED to figure out your post cycle before you start to avoid problems, the stickies are your friends.

2. Prohormones, at least the good ones, are steroids that didn't make it to market. In general, they are based on early patents that large pharma companies did in the 50's and 60's during the golden age of hormone research. Ie, a big pharma company would patent dozens of compounds, and only a few would be developed into licensed pharmaceuticals. Your good prohormone chemist fishes through the old patents, finds something that's been forgotten for 50 years, and bang, a new prohormone unknown to law enforcement. So these can be quite effective, but don't forget that in general, they are real steroids even if the law does not consider them such and you should treat them with great respect. They also tend to be more dangerous as oral steroids tend to stress the liver and should only be taken in short doses.

Its unclear to me what test booster actually is. I can't figure out what it actually is supposed to do, or what the science is.

You should also consider HCG, if you can find it. I have taken quite a bit and it is in my opinion the one thing that is almost as good as real steroids. It's drawbacks are 1. more expensive than real steroids 2. can only be taken in small doses or you will develop resistance 3. only lasts 30 days per vial. 4. requires a prescription in all states and is a controlled substance in some states.

So, bottom line, real injectable steroids, as part of a complete cycle with PCT are probably the best bet from an effectiveness/sides point of view. From a legality point of view, PH is very effective, but needs to be treated with respect. They will also kill your liver.

 

[hainesy58]

A lot of questions here. 1. If by Test E 250 you mean real injectable anabolic steroids, they are probably your best real bet. They were developed by real pharmaceutical companies and are well understood. Injectables are much, much easier on your liver as well. You will NEED to figure out your post cycle before you start to avoid problems, the stickies are your friends. 2. Prohormones, at least the good ones, are steroids that didn't make it to market. In general, they are based on early patents that large pharma companies did in the 50's and 60's during the golden age of hormone research. Ie, a big pharma company would patent dozens of compounds, and only a few would be developed into licensed pharmaceuticals. Your good prohormone chemist fishes through the old patents, finds something that's been forgotten for 50 years, and bang, a new prohormone unknown to law enforcement. So these can be quite effective, but don't forget that in general, they are real steroids even if the law does not consider them such and you should treat them with great respect. They also tend to be more dangerous as oral steroids tend to stress the liver and should only be taken in short doses. Its unclear to me what test booster actually is. I can't figure out what it actually is supposed to do, or what the science is. You should also consider HCG, if you can find it. I have taken quite a bit and it is in my opinion the one thing that is almost as good as real steroids. It's drawbacks are 1. more expensive than real steroids 2. can only be taken in small doses or you will develop resistance 3. only lasts 30 days per vial. 4. requires a prescription in all states and is a controlled substance in some states. So, bottom line, real injectable steroids, as part of a complete cycle with PCT are probably the best bet from an effectiveness/sides point of view. From a legality point of view, PH is very effective, but needs to be treated with respect. They will also kill your liver.

Great info. Will liquid prohormones such as LG Science products still do the same possible liver damage since they are absorbed differently? I do realize that many pill forms are processed a few times through the liver.

 

[rixrix]

Anything liquid still gets absorbed through the intestines, and passes through the liver. Some oral PH are safer than others, but I couldn't tell you which ones are on the safer side. I haven't looked at PH in probably 10 years; the best stuff seems to be banned every three years and new stuff comes in. Lots of people do take oral PH and oral steroids, just be really careful when you do and not to overdo it. It is said that epistane is on the lighter side with respect to liver, but bear in mind that none of the PH have really been tested to the same degree as the prescription stuff and it's still bro-science to some degree.

And for gods sake, get some 1. arimidex 2. Clomid or Nolva before you buy anything else. All three compounds are dirt cheap from reputable sellers on the gray market.

 

[hainesy58]

I'm am currently doing some research on the SARMS Ostarine & GW. They are looking pretty promising with little to no sides. Anyone over 35 try these? Results?

 

[threeFs]

I'm am currently doing some research on the SARMS Ostarine & GW. They are looking pretty promising with little to no sides. Anyone over 35 try these? Results?

I've ran ostarine 2x. I ran pretty high at 50mg/day. It did shut me down but I had some PR lifts on it. I'd do it again but I discovered tren.

 

[kenpoengineer]

I'm am currently doing some research on the SARMS Ostarine & GW. They are looking pretty promising with little to no sides. Anyone over 35 try these? Results?

I'm 53 and tried IML Osta RX at 25 mg/day. It had a good cutting/leaning out effect. My BP did increase from normal 118/72 to 15x/8x.