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hockey7freak7

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I am brand new to ph looking at something to start off also a Random Question ive seen people saying that they take 50/50/75/75 I get that how much they take but if a pill is 25g is it 50g one serving or 25g twice a day

A little about me im 26 yr old 5'9"180lbs looking to still bulk up to around 200 i eat 6 meals a day about 3500- 4k

Just looking for some guidance Thanks
 
If you were doing 50mg of a compound each day and that compound is 25mg per pill it would be best to split it up into two dosages because of the short half life of most DS/PH. If you were to bump it up to 75 some people do 3 times a day, some do 50mg beginning of day then 25mg later. I prefer to always keep it twice a day with orals, just easier.
 
SuperPro said:
If you were doing 50mg of a compound each day and that compound is 25mg per pill it would be best to split it up into two dosages because of the short half life of most DS/PH. If you were to bump it up to 75 some people do 3 times a day, some do 50mg beginning of day then 25mg later. I prefer to always keep it twice a day with orals, just easier.
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Thanks man also what are your thoughts on a beginner ph I was thinking Halodrol (seams like thats what every one takes) but also thinking protodrol or delta 2 im still trying to gain weight not trying to lean and cut yet
 
Halodrol is an awesome first ph to try. I loved it.

This would be a nice cycle:

4AD 1000mg ED for 8 weeks with halodrol on the middle 6 weeks at doses something like:

50/75/75/75/100/100
 
technique88 said:
Halodrol is an awesome first ph to try. I loved it.

This would be a nice cycle:

4AD 1000mg ED for 8 weeks with halodrol on the middle 6 weeks at doses something like:

50/75/75/75/100/100
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What would would take for cycle support and ptc is novla to strong for that
 
I don't know much about protodrol or delta 2 honestly, but I do know that for gaining on a beginner cycle you can't go wrong with halodrol. If you eat enough no reason you can't gain 10-15lbs on 6 weeks of hdrol. I personally think most people are too conservative with it's dosing though, I ran it at 75/75/100/100/100/100 and still feel that the sides weren't unbearable. I had back pumps, but they weren't too bad except for in the last two weeks, and my libido was shot at about week 5 but that came back a few weeks into PCT.
 
technique88 said:
Halodrol is an awesome first ph to try. I loved it.

This would be a nice cycle:

4AD 1000mg ED for 8 weeks with halodrol on the middle 6 weeks at doses something like:

50/75/75/75/100/100
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4AD is a good suggestion too, didn't think about that. Ran it with SD and loved it, kept libido up and my back pumps weren't as bad as on hdrol either which I believe was all because of the 4ad.
 
SuperPro said:
I don't know much about protodrol or delta 2 honestly, but I do know that for gaining on a beginner cycle you can't go wrong with halodrol. If you eat enough no reason you can't gain 10-15lbs on 6 weeks of hdrol. I personally think most people are too conservative with it's dosing though, I ran it at 75/75/100/100/100/100 and still feel that the sides weren't unbearable. I had back pumps, but they weren't too bad except for in the last two weeks, and my libido was shot at about week 5 but that came back a few weeks into PCT.
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What did you take for cycle support and pct how much did you weigh when you took that I was thinking of going 50/75/75/75/100/100 just don't wanna go over my head the first time
 
hockey7freak7 said:
What did you take for cycle support and pct how much did you weigh when you took that I was thinking of going 50/75/75/75/100/100 just don't wanna go over my head the first time
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I was about 165 IIRC, I took cycle assist/multi/fish oil and PCT was torem/erase/daa I always try to keep it simple. If you want to add something in for liver protection I've used purus labs organ shield in other cycles and I like it, has NAC which has studies done on it proving it helps with liver.
 
I completely agree on the hdrol dosages...I was posting a conservative cycle :) I ran my hdrol at 100mg I think then3 rd week on. I took it up to 125mg for several days but at that point I felt 100mg of hdrol is a solid sweet spot.

As for cycle support I'm not a fan of these pre made formulas...IMHO, you can by bulk supps and put together your own cycle support.

Keep it simple:

Hawthorne berry 2000mg ED for blood pressure
Saw palmetto for prostrate
Liv52 or TUDCA for liver...and of course multi vitamins and plenty if antioxidants.

This is significantly cheaper than the pre-made stuff.

You'll definitely want a SERM for pct. Hdrol will shut you down.
 
technique88 said:
I completely agree on the hdrol dosages...I was posting a conservative cycle :) I ran my hdrol at 100mg I think then3 rd week on. I took it up to 125mg for several days but at that point I felt 100mg of hdrol is a solid sweet spot.

As for cycle support I'm not a fan of these pre made formulas...IMHO, you can by bulk supps and put together your own cycle support.

Keep it simple:

Hawthorne berry 2000mg ED for blood pressure
Saw palmetto for prostrate
Liv52 or TUDCA for liver...and of course multi vitamins and plenty if antioxidants.

This is significantly cheaper than the pre-made stuff.

You'll definitely want a SERM for pct. Hdrol will shut you down.
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So torem can be used for sterm but for 4ad you said take 1000mg how many pills on the bottle said 200mg for rde am I reading that right
 
Yeah 4ad is very under dosed I ran it at 4 caps ed when I used it, 800mg, 5 would work good too though. Most non methyl compounds need high doses like that to be effective (4ad, stano, furaza).
 
SuperPro said:
Yeah 4ad is very under dosed I ran it at 4 caps ed when I used it, 800mg, 5 would work good too though. Most non methyl compounds need high doses like that to be effective (4ad, stano, furaza).
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Same here, I ran 4 tabs (800mg) and it was solid but 1000mg would have definitely been better.

OP, yes lol it is 5 tabs a day, just space them out evenly. They're minty and you let them dissolve I your mouth, pretty cool stuff, I called them my testosterone mints.

You're in for a run ride on this cycle. You'll easily bulk up. I would run the hdrol in the middle 6 weeks of the 8 week 4AD. That will give the 4 ad a week to start working and the final week you'll be on 4 ad only so transition to PCT should be smootjer
 
hockey7freak7 said:
btw for the torem for pct how much a day should I take and what that be enough or should I add more
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I'm not to familiar with torem but maybe

90mg the first day then 60mg the first 2 weeks and 30mg the second 2 weeks...

Simple PCT:

SERM, AI, test booster
 
SuperPro said:
I was about 165 IIRC, I took cycle assist/multi/fish oil and PCT was torem/erase/daa I always try to keep it simple. If you want to add something in for liver protection I've used purus labs organ shield in other cycles and I like it, has NAC which has studies done on it proving it helps with liver.
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Hey how long did you run pct and what whew your dosages
 
This was my PCT rundown

Erase: 1/2/3/3/3/1
Torem: 90/60/60/30/0/0
DAA: 3g/3g/3g/3g/3g/3g

And about the SERM I prefer Nolva just because it's more "tried and true", it's been a staple SERM for a very long time. I don't know if there's really any difference, Torem seemed fine to me as well, and I'm about to try Clomid for the first time but Nolva is somewhat comforting I guess because pros have been using that stuff since the dawn of time.
 
SuperPro said:
This was my PCT rundown

Erase: 1/2/3/3/3/1
Torem: 90/60/60/30/0/0
DAA: 3g/3g/3g/3g/3g/3g

And about the SERM I prefer Nolva just because it's more "tried and true", it's been a staple SERM for a very long time. I don't know if there's really any difference, Torem seemed fine to me as well, and I'm about to try Clomid for the first time but Nolva is somewhat comforting I guess because pros have been using that stuff since the dawn of time.
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Thanks btw im trying to look it up I see is a liquid do you inject it or mix it
 
All the SERMs I've used were capsules or tablets but yes they also come in liquid form, you just drink it. I've been told by friends who used it that it's usually better mixed with some water since it burns a little going down.
 
SuperPro said:
All the SERMs I've used were capsules or tablets but yes they also come in liquid form, you just drink it. I've been told by friends who used it that it's usually better mixed with some water since it burns a little going down.
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I've been looking it up and it's just liquid if u have a site where u got it in pill form that would be great also how long do you pct for
 
hockey7freak7 said:
I've been looking it up and it's just liquid if u have a site where u got it in pill form that would be great also how long do you pct for
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As my PCT breakdown above showed six weeks is a good PCT. Sometimes to be safe I will run my AI a little longer at a low dose if I have some leftover.
 
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