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RegisterJr said:
No update again today. Third straight day with no workout. I felt good about not missing a day last week, then all food broke loose over the weekend. This morning I just felt drained an under-nourished. My diet today has been back in check though.

Just popped the Max Pump, and have my morning doses mixed up and ready for 0330.

I decided to go against my 'no cutting till February' rule. I'm going to take advantage of the Thermo in Stimul8 and add ECA and drop back down to 180-185, then start again bulking. Shouldn't take but about 6 weeks to get there... 4 if I don't miss a step.
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Word of caution my friend - don't dose your ECA to close to Stimul8.

I know how you feel. Lack of sleep last night, and not enough to eat throughout the day left me feeling very empty when it was time to hit the weights. My run took so much out of me.
 
wasme said:
Word of caution my friend - don't dose your ECA to close to Stimul8.
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I was thinking Stimul8 at 0420-0430, and the ECA between 0630-0700. You think that's spaced enough?
 
Logging Finaflex Stimul8 here:

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And Formutech (thermo) Level II capsules here:

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wasme said:
Oh bro, meant that in a very positive sense.
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I didn't take it the wrong way.

I didn't think the two would interfere with each other, as far as logs go. Stimul8 was what prompted me to want to run a post-wo Thermo, and eca makes me feel funny.
 
wasme said:
Ya ECA is certainly not a fit for everyone.
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Does it make you feel funny too?

I think I was crashing hard also, and it was making me irritable.
 
Level II is still going great. Figured I'd jump back over here for an update that is not supp related...

So, I took the Docs advice and went and got the Dr Scholl's inserts for my boots. I immediately felt (some) relief, and knew over time it'd feel a lot better. Well, it gradually did but never 100%.

So, I ran yesterday for the first time in a while and today my IT band/Achilles feels like it did before the inserts. I guess I'm stuck to the elliptical or bike for cardio until it's 100%. That drives me crazy. I hate them both.
 
That's why I don't do cardio period: I hate it. I'll just lift weights faster if I wanna increase my caloric expenditure.
 
RegisterJr said:
Level II is still going great. Figured I'd jump back over here for an update that is not supp related...

So, I took the Docs advice and went and got the Dr Scholl's inserts for my boots. I immediately felt (some) relief, and knew over time it'd feel a lot better. Well, it gradually did but never 100%.

So, I ran yesterday for the first time in a while and today my IT band/Achilles feels like it did before the inserts. I guess I'm stuck to the elliptical or bike for cardio until it's 100%. That drives me crazy. I hate them both.
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Give it a couple of weeks and try again. I am horrible with an elliptical. Everytime I have tried one - it just doesn't seem to work for me lol
 
Hyde said:
That's why I don't do cardio period: I hate it. I'll just lift weights faster if I wanna increase my caloric expenditure.
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I wish I could use this method. But I feel the need to run. Mind you I also don't mind going for my runs (ok not so much in this sh*t weather!)
 
Yeah if you like it go for it! Something about cardio I've always hated; I can't recall a single time I enjoyed it. It's either boring & not remotely challenging or it's boring & excruciating, but never rewarding for me. I know avoiding cardio isn't healthy, but I often have to remind people that there's nothing inherently healthy about wanting to lift 800lbs.
 
Hyde said:
That's why I don't do cardio period: I hate it. I'll just lift weights faster if I wanna increase my caloric expenditure.
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wasme said:
I wish I could use this method. But I feel the need to run. Mind you I also don't mind going for my runs (ok not so much in this sh*t weather!)
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I lift quicker also, but the 1 on 1 off sprints feel good to me. I like the HR spike, an overall I feel better throughout the day.


Hyde said:
Yeah if you like it go for it! Something about cardio I've always hated; I can't recall a single time I enjoyed it. It's either boring & not remotely challenging or it's boring & excruciating, but never rewarding for me. I know avoiding cardio isn't healthy, but I often have to remind people that there's nothing inherently healthy about wanting to lift 800lbs.
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Slow runs drive me nuts. Sprinting, and decreasing the break time in between makes me feel accomplished.

My issue with the elliptical is that I fatigue my legs way before I feel it in the HR. Also, the swing of the elliptical feels like it could push my knees past the comfort zone when trying to 'sprint' on it.
 
I rarely hit the elliptical. My cardio is usually the "boxer's workout" I would much rather hit something or slam something than swing my arms and legs back and forth and not go anywhere lol
 
niners4reggie said:
I rarely hit the elliptical. My cardio is usually the "boxer's workout" I would much rather hit something or slam something than swing my arms and legs back and forth and not go anywhere lol
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I used to live the KenpoX workout with p90x. I'd do the punches with weights; felt great.

I no longer have that video, but we have punching bags at my gym. Can you and kenpoengineer help me out with some quick boxing/Kenpo cardio-routines?
 
niners4reggie said:
I rarely hit the elliptical. My cardio is usually the "boxer's workout" I would much rather hit something or slam something than swing my arms and legs back and forth and not go anywhere lol
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When I went through my huge weightloss phase and for a while there after I did 30 minute head bag routine. Would sweat my ass off... was great. But then I moved and have no where to hang it as the garage is 'finished'. I need to by a stand as you are right terrific working and fun as hell.
 
wasme said:
When I went through my huge weightloss phase and for a while there after I did 30 minute head bag routine. Would sweat my ass off... was great. But then I moved and have no where to hang it as the garage is 'finished'. I need to by a stand as you are right terrific working and fun as hell.
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Just hitting for 30? Any kind of tempo, or anything?
 
RegisterJr said:
I used to live the KenpoX workout with p90x. I'd do the punches with weights; felt great. I no longer have that video, but we have punching bags at my gym. Can you and kenpoengineer help me out with some quick boxing/Kenpo cardio-routines?
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Actually just hitting the heavy bag continuously for 1 min, taking a rest for 1 min then back on for 6 rounds will raise the HR into the cardio zone. Just take the boxers stance with arms up and throw combinations at the bag: jab/cross, jab/cross/uppercut, double jab/cross, etc.
 
kenpoengineer said:
Actually just hitting the heavy bag continuously for 1 min, taking a rest for 1 min then back on for 6 rounds will raise the HR into the cardio zone. Just take the boxers stance with arms up and throw combinations at the bag: jab/cross, jab/cross/uppercut, double jab/cross, etc.
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Word. Gonna try that tomorrow.

May be a stupid question, but, do I wear gloves?
 
RegisterJr said:
Word. Gonna try that tomorrow. May be a stupid question, but, do I wear gloves?
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Absolutely wear gloves. I use bag gloves or sometimes put on my boxing gloves. Make sure you don't bend the wrists as you throw the punches as you can injure your wrists. Have fun and make sure you have a sweat towel ready! Also, you can make it more challenging by moving and throwing punches.
 
RegisterJr said:
Just hitting for 30? Any kind of tempo, or anything?
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I wrap hands, then put a glove on. The wrap helps plus you even get a bit of reinforcement on the wrists.

I typically went 12 x 2 minute rounds with 30-60 seconds off in between. Trust me you will sweat like a mf'er
 
I didn't realize it until yesterday when I was thinking how sore my legs still are, that my calves are more sore than normal (been thinking this a few days):
I haven't felt any discomfort in my IT band since that last post here. I'm taking my Dr Scholl's out and putting it in ever shoe I wear. This particular one is a heel support, so that may explain why it's taking longer for my calves to heal. I don't know if I'm doing it without trying, but ever since the doc said I was walking heavy on my heel I've tried to make an effort to either put balanced weight throughout the foot or walk w/ majority pressure on my toes.

Anyway, that's good news. Going to put in a couple minutes on the treadmill this morning to see how it responds.

Also... I'm going to try and drop the 2.5g of Melatonin tonight. I've been sleeping very solid for a little over a week, for the most part, so maybe my sleep issue is gone. Even though it's only melatonin, I wake up a little groggy, and I definitely attribute constipation to it. Worst case, I skip a couple more days sleep/workouts, but in the long run try and get my sleep habits back on track.

Going in for a chest/ab routine shortly.

My pre meal is 1.5c Almond Milk w/ 1.5s protein shake, mixed in as a coffee creamer with two large cups.

Pre-WO's are creatine x5g (because I was off so long), Stimul8 x3/4s, and 2 caps Focus. First ever PH (day 3/21).
 
wasme said:
What are you going to run?
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I'm taking Focus by ANDRO factory. A mild PH, probably, but my gateway I s'pose. Still debating (or pre-planning) the other cycle we discussed before.
 
I've been neglecting this log, so I need to get back into it.

Weight: Didn’t weigh. Gym weight was after all my pre’s/coffee

Pre:
1.5c Vanilla Almond Milk w/ Protein Shake
Coffee x 3c

3/4s Stimul8
1 Wali-tin (generic allergy)
1 Niacin
1 Milk Thistle
2x FOCUS

Upon ar***** at the gym:
1 tbsp Crunchy PB

Intra:
5g BCAA’s
Hershey Kiss @ 0445, 0500, 0515 (22 cals and 1.5g fat each)

Post:
1 cap Level II (ate 4oz chicken 30 min later)

Treadmill:
9m HIIT

Super Set 1:

Chin Up 268.95
Drop Sets of weighted chins

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Set 1 : 244.5x3 (weighed 199.5 on the gym scale, + 1 plate)
Set 2 : 234.5x1
Set 3 : 224.5x1
Set 4 : 209.5x2
Set 5 : 199.5x3
--2
Set 6 : 234.5x2
Set 7 : 224.5x1
Set 8 : 209.5x2
Set 9 : 199.5x1
Brief pause, +
Set 10 : 199.5x4
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Set 11 : 199.5x3
Set 12 : 99.5x6 (100# assistance)

Strength way down from the last time I did these. I need to stay on these for a while to build them back up.
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Dumbbell Incline Curl 44.33
Drop set after first set. 3-4s negative. Hold at top, 7-10s neg on last set.

--1
Set 1 : 35x8
--2
Set 2 : 35x7
Set 3 : 25x7
--3
Set 4 : 35x5
Set 5 : 25x5

Weak here too. Calorie deficit still coming into play?
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Super Set 2:

Reverse Lying T Bar Machine Row 135.67
Drop Sets.

--1
Set 1 : 110x7
Set 2 : 100x3
Set 3 : 90x5
Set 4 : 80x6
Set 5 : 45x8
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Set 6 : 100x8
Set 7 : 90x6
Set 8 : 80x5
Set 9 : 45x10
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EZ Bar Curl 106.67
Drop Sets
--1
Set 1 : 80x8
Set 2 : 60x6
Set 3 : 50x5
Set 4 : 40x3
Set 5 : 30x5
Set 6 : 20x3
---2
Set 7 : 70x9
Set 8 : 60x3
Set 9 : 50x3
Set 10 : 40x6
Set 11 : 30x5
Set 12 : 20x7
--3
Set 13 : 80x10
Set 14 : 70x5
Set 15 : 45x10
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Super Set 3:

EZ Bar Close Grip Curl 82
Drop Sets

--1
Set 1 : 60x11
Set 2 : 50x6
Set 3 : 40x5
Set 4 : 30x9
Set 5 : 20x13
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Set 6 : 60x8
Set 7 : 50x3
Set 8 : 40x8
Set 9 : 30x5

(did one more that I guess I didn’t log)
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Cable Seated Row 139.33
Drop Sets, EZ bar cable attachment, Reverse grip:

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Set 1 : 110x8
Set 2 : 80x5
Set 3 : 50x12
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Set 4 : 100x11
Set 5 : 70x6
Set 6 : 50x9
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+ In and Out drop Set curls. 25/20/15/10/5 x 4/2/2/2/4 (each rep is the combo of 1 rep inside curl ad 1 rep outside curl)

Notes:

Back to the normal work week routine. I added in extra fats so pre/intra workout so I’m not scrambling to get them in at night. Figured they’re better ingested around my workout anyway.

I just now dosed my second cap Level II. My appetite is still at bay from the cap I took this morning, but I love the added afternoon energy as well as keeping my appetite in check through dinner.

We’ll see how this weeks meals go, but I upped my protein a little and added more fibrous carbs to my diet. My dinner planned is only 670 cals, but is A LOT of food. I still have to eat 8 oz of chicken and two cups steamed collards before then.

I need to decide and plan my workout for tomorrow too.
 
SOlid effort put in there brother.. sounds like you got diet on track too!

...I hear meadows calling your name!
 
wasme said:
SOlid effort put in there brother.. sounds like you got diet on track too!

...I hear meadows calling your name!
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Thanks Simon. I have the diet tuned in nicely, and I really haven't strayed. My biggest issue is getting my fats in. I'll zero that in too, and maybe buy more avocado or something.

My wife is having an issue only printing the pages needed of that MD manual and she doesn't want me to print it from home because our printer usually eats all the ink in just a few pages.

Maybe I can go through and copy and paste the ones I need...
 
RegisterJr said:
Thanks Simon. I have the diet tuned in nicely, and I really haven't strayed. My biggest issue is getting my fats in. I'll zero that in too, and maybe buy more avocado or something.

My wife is having an issue only printing the pages needed of that MD manual and she doesn't want me to print it from home because our printer usually eats all the ink in just a few pages.

Maybe I can go through and copy and paste the ones I need...
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Just have her or you print out 1 week at a time.. Set your printer to its lowest dpi you'll use far less ink.

EDIT: or take pics and keep them on your phone
 
wasme said:
Just have her or you print out 1 week at a time.. Set your printer to its lowest dpi you'll use far less ink.

EDIT: or take pics and keep them on your phone
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Yeah, I have the layout on Kindle on my phone. I'd want it in larger print though to where I could take notes, etc.
 
Finished up my calories at 2,399 and 266p/209c/62f and 50 fibers.

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Dang, those fibers! Ain't no stopping my BM tomorrow! Lol.

Seriously though, about the BM, I have been regular with the exception of this weekend (not having a lot of time). It helps not taking melatonin, and my sleep has been great also without it.

I really can't think of any side effects of the Level II. If anything, my sleep has improved from where I was several weeks ago. Not saying 100% that they are related.

I am going to do chest and triceps tomorrow. I usually have a crappy chest workout when I mix those two, but I'll try hard to get in good chest squeezes. Also, I planned exercises that I have never tried or do rarely to change things up.
 
Nope, should give you some great side-free results - also extremely easy to recover from & keep gains, & gyno & other hairy sides aren't really a concern. Ken ate at a surplus while on it but it should really help preserve your performance & lean mass while cutting.
 
Hyde said:
Nope, should give you some great side-free results - also extremely easy to recover from & keep gains, & gyno & other hairy sides aren't really a concern. Ken ate at a surplus while on it but it should really help preserve your performance & lean mass while cutting.
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That's what I was hoping for. If I were a little smaller is eat at a surplus, but I need to get things under control.
 
You have to decide if bigger or better is more important to your looks. Either way is fun, but you'll undoubtedly look better in the end.
 
Hyde said:
You have to decide if bigger or better is more important to your looks. Either way is fun, but you'll undoubtedly look better in the end.
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I'd definitely like to be bigger and stronger. I just want to make sure health is first. Don't want to permanently screw up anything
 
9 days in on Focus. How are you feeling? Any sides?
 
kenpoengineer said:
9 days in on Focus. How are you feeling? Any sides?
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I feel great; libido is up a little and my motivation has increased.

I can't speak on hunger because I've been taking an appetite suppressant.

Last week I hit a couple PR's, but nothing to write home about. Again, at a caloric deficit I don't expect too much. Like Hyde said, maybe some offset in losing muscle during my cut.

Visually I'm noticing a difference, but the scale hasn't really moved much (-1.5 ish in a week). To me I look fuller, but not bloated. I didn't do a picture last week because I wasn't really logging Focus.

Sleep is solid. BM's are regular.

I'd say aggression hasn't really spiked, but, my intolerance of idiots has increased, and I've always noticed that to be a good sign when on a test booster. As soon as I have images of pounding coworkers' skulls in the pavement I'll know it's strong stuff. :)

I plan on doing legs and shoulders twice a week the next couple weeks so I hope that helps increase my numbers/recovery. I've dipped the last few weeks since cutting on them as far as strength goes.

I wish I DS two bottles, but it wasn't in my post Christmas budget. I wanted to start the new year off with a PH, though.
 
Oh, 194.2 this morning. That's not bad considering the volume (but it's not a lot of cals) I ate for dinner. I should be >190 by Saturday once I drop some more sodium.
 
All of this sounds good! Two bottles would have been a great run but budget is the budget. I've noticed the PRs even on a caloric deficit, nice job!
 
kenpoengineer said:
All of this sounds good! Two bottles would have been a great run but budget is the budget. I've noticed the PRs even on a caloric deficit, nice job!
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Thanks bro! Maybe I'll hit PR's as the week(s) progress.
 
Weight: 194.2

Pre:
-3/4c Vanilla Almond Milk w/ 1/2s Vanilla Protein -1.5c Coffee

3/4 Stimul8
3g Creatine
1x Niacin
2x FOCUS
1x Wal-itin

1 tbsp PB

Intra:
-5g BCAA's
-3x Hershey Kiss

Post:
-3/4c Vanilla Almond Milk w/ 1/2s Vanilla Protein
-1 tbsp PB

Warmup:
Treadmill x7m

Super Set 1:

Dumbbell Bench Press 114.67
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Set 1 : 80x13
Set 2 : 40x6
--2
Set 3 : 80x10
Set 4 : 40x8
--3
Set 5 : 75x8
Set 6 : 40x7
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Weighted Tricep Dips 309.7
(BW according to gym scale: 199.5)

--1
Set 1 : 244.5x8
Set 2 : 199.5x7
--2
Set 3 : 234.5x9
Set 4 : 199.5x5
--3
Set 5 : 199.5x14
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Barbell Neck Press 175.5

--1
Set 1 : 95x11
--2
Set 2 : 115x14
--3
Set 3 : 135x9
Set 4 : 115x4
--4
Set 5 : 115x8
Set 6 : 95x6
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Dumbbell Close Grip Press 70 (Hex Press)

--1
Set 1 : 60x5
Set 2 : 50x1
Set 3 : 25x6
--2
Set 4 : 50x10
Set 5 : 25x9
--3
Set 6 : 50x9
Set 7 : 25x8
--4
Set 8 : 50x7
Set 9 : 25x6
Set 10 : 15x6
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Super Set 3:

Barbell Reverse Grip Incline Bench Press 114

These felt awkward. A little unbalanced. Maybe because I dd them so late in the WO?

Set 1 : 95x6
Set 2 : 85x10
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Dumbbell One Arm Supinated Triceps Extension 38
--1
Set 1 : 30x8
Set 2 : 25x5
Set 3 : 15x6
--2
Set 4 : 30x5
Set 5 : 25x2
Set 6 : 15x6
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Super Set 4:

Cable Cross Over 80
--1
Set 1 : 50x10
Set 2 : 35x6
Set 3 : 25x6
--2
Set 4 : 60x10
Set 5 : 45x5
Set 6 : 30x8
Set 7 : 20x12
Set 8 : 10x14
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Leaning reverse extension burnouts 26.67

--1
Set 1 : 20x10
Set 2 : 15x4
Set 3 : 10x4
Set 4 : 5x6
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Notes:

Just felt a little weak all around when it came to lifting, but, the energy, drive, and focus were all there.
I had a relatively low sweat today. I guess I wasn’t going as fast as I normally do in super setting.
I dosed one Level II at 0615, and the other at 0700. Ready to get those fat cells moving! I’ll update more as the day goes….
 
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