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OBAMACARE...JUST A SMOKESCREEN

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the new york times quoted experts who said obama raised and spent $750 million in 2008 election, and said in 2012 he would top a billion....


with this kind of money needed to reach the masses, and with the wealthy controlling the money and media, it seems vitually impossible that a candidate who has the best interests of the people will ever even make it to the ballot....

it's time we face the facts, american based multinational corporations do NOT represent the best interest of the american people...or even the country for that matter...

american multinationals have raped and pilaged the american people for so long and so hard that we are nothing but undesireable, pass around whores to them....they have their sights set on our tax dollars building up what once was impoverished nations...they see these countries as virgin territories, much more desireable than america, who they have used and abused beyond recognition.

there once was a saying that 'whats good for general motors is good for america'.....maybe once upon a time, but that is nothing but a fairy tale in todays world!!!!
 
the new york times quoted experts who said obama raised and spent $750 million in 2008 election, and said in 2012 he would top a billion....


with this kind of money needed to reach the masses, and with the wealthy controlling the money and media, it seems vitually impossible that a candidate who has the best interests of the people will ever even make it to the ballot....

it's time we face the facts, american based multinational corporations do NOT represent the best interest of the american people...or even the country for that matter...

american multinationals have raped and pilaged the american people for so long and so hard that we are nothing but undesireable, pass around whores to them....they have their sights set on our tax dollars building up what once was impoverished nations...they see these countries as virgin territories, much more desireable than america, who they have used and abused beyond recognition.

there once was a saying that 'whats good for general motors is good for america'.....maybe once upon a time, but that is nothing but a fairy tale in todays world!!!!

are they no held accountable to share holders made up from population in America, I think maybe larger problem is issue here America it self to much of the population greedy plus to dumb to leave off buying from greedy like Walmart corp. instead to supporting small local business neighbors nearly unrecognizable from History I have had on history of great nation.
 
are they no held accountable to share holders made up from population in America, I think maybe larger problem is issue here America it self to much of the population greedy plus to dumb to leave off buying from greedy like Walmart corp. to supporting small local business neighbors nearly unrecognizable from History I have had on history of great nation.

the average stock holder has no say in direction of corporations....all the average stockholder is looking at is the amount of dividend check....coporate decisions are made at closed meetings the public will never be made aware of.


you are correct about greed of the american people...walmart could do something considered dispicable, [even by todays immoral standards], and run a mega SALE.....watch the people come running!!! in the war of greed vs morals in this country, morals don't stand a chance!!!
 
if this country had been the way it is now, we would still be an english colony...


something to think about with thanksgiving approching
 
and run a mega SALE.....watch the people come running!!! in the war of greed vs morals in this country, morals don't stand a chance!!!

lol...Black Friday is coming.

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I have been in Walmart they have pep talks an getting employees riled up to cheer.
I have been in Walmart see sad young woman cashier berated by cust. for nothing of her fault nor control she stand there and have to take that.
Am like can I not believe that guy she say this how it is on the daily.
 
if this country had been the way it is now, we would still be an english colony...
Anyone happen across this thread pause moment an contrast implications for above in comparison "The Way We Live Now" also one brilliant book by Anthony Trollope everyone should read. Three times I have read.
 
I have been in Walmart they have pep talks an getting employees riled up to cheer.
I have been in Walmart see sad young woman cashier berated by cust. for nothing of her fault nor control she stand there and have to take that.
Am like can I not believe that guy she say this how it is on the daily.

You should visit the sweatshop's that make the products that go on those shelves that make it happen. You would think that young lady is spoiled.
 
You should visit the sweatshop's that make the products that go on those shelves that make it happen. You would think that young lady is spoiled.
philosophical statement^, being "rich" is perhaps relative the most poor among Americans maybe live like kings to starving in third world countries
 
philosophical statement^, being "rich" is perhaps relative the most poor among Americans maybe live like kings to starving in third world countries

We living off the blood and death of third world countries. They have to put up nets around Foxconn (Apple Iphone factory in China) dormitories to catch people jumping off the roof.
 
lol...Black Friday is coming.

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black friday my ass...most stores are now open for business thanksgiving day. g'damn greedy assed people don't even care that their lust for savings is costing workers a holiday with their families....another example of greed, not only by the greedy corporations, but by equally greedy american people!!!

we have become slaves to the dollar.
 
We living off the blood and death of third world countries. They have to put up nets around Foxconn (Apple Iphone factory in China) dormitories to catch people jumping off the roof.

dude...look at the attidude i get when i propose a living wage for american workers, they are called 'nothing more than a warm body'....you don't think that is what it will be like here in just a few years time?

trust me unless the american people get their heads out of their asses, that is exactly what we are headed for.
 
dude...look at the attidude i get when i propose a living wage for american workers, they are called 'nothing more than a warm body'....you don't think that is what it will be like here in just a few years time?

trust me unless the american people get their heads out of their asses, that is exactly what we are headed for.

reality is noone much cares if here in now is not bad even though bb site how may people on this site? very many, how many involve or interested? Reality is most citizens care nor now basic simple aspects of govt. or how reality of things are run. Most pawns and more happy thus then being thinkers. At the end the day though all the kings and pawns go back in the same box.
 
black friday my ass...most stores are now open for business thanksgiving day. g'damn greedy assed people don't even care that their lust for savings is costing workers a holiday with their families....another example of greed, not only by the greedy corporations, but by equally greedy american people!!!

we have become slaves to the dollar.

Yeah...thats right, dont many places force their workers to show up to open Black Friday by midnight of Thangkgiving?

Black Friday is chaos I want nothing to do with.

dude...look at the attidude i get when i propose a living wage for american workers, they are called 'nothing more than a warm body'....you don't think that is what it will be like here in just a few years time?

trust me unless the american people get their heads out of their asses, that is exactly what we are headed for.

Yeah..we just have different economic/political philosophies on how to address this issue. I just dont think raising min. wage will address your concerns for the near future, that time would still come if we dont address our currency, inflation, and lobby driven corporate goverment along with alot of other issues.
 
Yeah...thats right, dont many places force their workers to show up to open Black Friday by midnight of Thangkgiving?

Black Friday is chaos I want nothing to do with.



Yeah..we just have different economic/political philosophies on how to address this issue. I just dont think raising min. wage will address your concerns for the near future, that time would still come if we dont address our currency, inflation, and lobby driven corporate goverment.

it is the attitude towards hourly workers that pisses me off.....dumbasses don't realize that how minimum wage workers are treated will have an effect on us all.


look at china, i bet management looks at their workers exactly the same way american management looks at minimum wage workers...how can you say we are any better?
 
it is the attitude towards hourly workers that pisses me off.....dumbasses don't realize that how minimum wage workers are treated will have an effect on us all.

look at china, i bet management looks at their workers exactly the same way american management looks at minimum wage workers...how can you say we are any better?

I understand, I was there for many years before. My attitude towards minimum wage workers are both positive and negative being that I have first hand experience being one for a number of years when I was younger. Really, everyone should be judged as an individual by individual basis, and not treat "minimum wage' workers as if it was a race or nationality (in a sterotypical way.) I have experiences where I thought minimum wage workers are either way under paid, and even way over paid.
 
I understand, I was there for many years before. My attitude towards minimum wage workers are both positive and negative being that I have first hand experience being one for a number of years when I was younger. Really, everyone should be judged as an individual by individual basis, and not treat "minimum wage' workers as if it was a race or nationality. I have experiences where I thought minimum wage workers are either way under paid, and even way over paid.

i am sure there are plenty of overpaid management types...my point being you can't compare your experience from yesteryear to todays work place...when i was a kid we were happy to work minimum wage for spending money, and since we were kids there were certain guidelines employeers had to follow....now days jobs are so tough you have college guys bagging groceries at krogers and people supporting families on walmart pay...

many of these people had good jobs, but due to layoffs or closings they went on unemployment...even as long as unemployment might be, benefits ran out for many and were forced to take whatever they could get.....employers are aware that jobs are in short supply, don't you think that they would take advantage of this? trust me, they are taking every advantage of this!!!


some guys who are doing well might think, so what if minimum wage workers are treated poorly....they are too stupid to realize what this is doing to our society as a whole!!!
 
i am sure there are plenty of overpaid management types...my point being you can't compare your experience from yesteryear to todays work place...when i was a kid we were happy to work minimum wage for spending money, and since we were kids there were certain guidelines employeers had to follow....now days jobs are so tough you have college guys bagging groceries at krogers and people supporting families on walmart pay...

many of these people had good jobs, but due to layoffs or closings they went on unemployment...even as long as unemployment might be, benefits ran out for many and were forced to take whatever they could get.....employers are aware that jobs are in short supply, don't you think that they would take advantage of this? trust me, they are taking every advantage of this!!!


some guys who are doing well might think, so what if minimum wage workers are treated poorly....they are too stupid to realize what this is doing to our society as a whole!!!

'a society should be judged by treatment of the least among them'
 
i am sure there are plenty of overpaid management types...my point being you can't compare your experience from yesteryear to todays work place...when i was a kid we were happy to work minimum wage for spending money, and since we were kids there were certain guidelines employeers had to follow....now days jobs are so tough you have college guys bagging groceries at krogers and people supporting families on walmart pay...

many of these people had good jobs, but due to layoffs or closings they went on unemployment...even as long as unemployment might be, benefits ran out for many and were forced to take whatever they could get.....employers are aware that jobs are in short supply, don't you think that they would take advantage of this? trust me, they are taking every advantage of this!!!

some guys who are doing well might think, so what if minimum wage workers are treated poorly....they are too stupid to realize what this is doing to our society as a whole!!!

My yesteryear's werent to long ago Big-T, lol

There are managers Ive seen who are also both over-payed and underpaid as well.

College does not mean your going to get a job, this type of promise needs to stop. I went to college and regret it mostly, it was primarily a waste of my time and money. I wish I knew back then what I know now, Id set myself up to be much smarter and successful.

The entire education system is a goverment monopoly thats primarily a one size fits all policy that has little to do with learning, but rather breeding brainwashed goverment and corporate servants. This is on superdrive now with the new Common Core standards and its going to get worse. Unless parents get into homeschooling (and we protect that right), I see a grim future for America's people, though I have to add thats not our only problem.
 
My yesteryear's werent to long ago Big-T, lol

There are managers Ive seen who are also both over-payed and underpaid as well.

College does not mean your going to get a job, this type of promise needs to stop. I went to college and regret it mostly, it was primarily a waste of my time and money. I wish I knew back then what I know now, Id set myself up to be much smarter and successful.

The entire education system is a goverment monopoly thats primarily a one size fits all policy that has little to do with learning, but rather breeding brainwashed goverment and corporate servants. This is on superdrive now with the new Common Core standards and its going to get worse. Unless parents get into homeschooling (and we protect that right), I see a grim future for America's people, though I have to add thats not our only problem.

lol...a lot of successful people are always saying how they worked ther way thru clooge on minimum pay jobs...bull****!!! they either had government loans or scholarship, or help from parents...telling people how they were able to pay for tuition/books, on minimum wage is pure fabrication... guys like sean hannity are the biggest bull****ters i ever saw, can't believe people buy into that crap!!!

the successful among us need to give thanks for the breaks in life they were given, i don't think many who are successful haven't had plenty of things go their way, including parents/mentors/friends or someone who guided them along the way...

people who think they are successful all by themselves are delusional. 'if not for the grace of GOD there go i', more people should take this to heart!!!
 
To Beau he need to clear some space on PM-

" We do not have a tax issue, or a credit issue, or a budget issue - we have a spending issue. We are spending our future generations into certain poverty.

That, coupled with a lack of integrity and a willingnes to do whatever you want to do (even if it is wrong) so long as you are not caught -- those are our major issues."


"and if you don't want to give them hand outs you are a hate filled bastard."



I would any thing that roll right off the shoulder
I try to no taking these philosophical debates personally but be mindful for philosophical topical point in view
 
The Cloward-Piven Strategy fully operational. Although this is a concept from the 60's, it's application was seen during the Soviet revolution of 1917, where the resources were plundered and drained from the treasury and a new system was set in it's place. In addition, early 20th-century Italian-socialist Antonio Gramsci realized the need to change the religious, educational, political and social institutions where socialist idealogies could be infiltrated as an outright conversion would not be feasible, considering a case study: WWI, where citizens arose in nationalism and did not oblige to the socialist mantra of global collectivism.

socialism, marxism, hell even communism look good on paper but with so much centralized control they could never work.... this is what many fear about obamacare, too much centralized control.

the trickle down theory of capitalism is the best concept i can think of, but when capitalist's get greedy and stop the flow it becomes nothing more than a totalitarian state with the capitalist's having all the control.
 
socialism, marxism, hell even communism look good on paper but with so much centralized control they could never work.... this is what many fear about obamacare, too much centralized control.

the trickle down theory of capitalism is the best concept i can think of, but when capitalist's get greedy and stop the flow it becomes nothing more than a totalitarian state with the capitalist's having all the control.

Socialism, Marxism and Communism have a history of being financed by corporations, Wall Street Bankers, and other financiers. Heck, even Karl Marx was counsins with the Rothschild family and has been financed by them. No wonder why they want to turn America into a socialist country....its about destroying both the rich and middle class and having a small circle of oligarchy elite have everything. Socialism is great for business, and terrorizing society.

Trickle down economics has nothing to with capitalism. There is no such thing as "trickle down." Trickle down economics is just a corporatism/banker theory in hopes of getting more taxable revenue for the goverment and creating more wealth in the economy by stimulating more activity through tax cuts, but its not a real economic theory.
 
Socialism, Marxism and Communism have a history of being financed by corporations, Wall Street Bankers, and other financiers. Heck, even Karl Marx was counsins with the Rothschild family and has been financed by them. No wonder why they want to turn America into a socialist country....its about destroying both the rich and middle class and having a small circle of oligarchy elite have everything. Socialism is great for business, and terrorizing society.

Trickle down economics has nothing to with capitalism. There is no such thing as "trickle down." Trickle down economics is just a corporatism/banker theory in hopes of getting more taxable revenue for the goverment and creating more wealth in the economy by stimulating more activity through tax cuts, but its not a real economic theory.

if you want to play semantics then substitute 'supply side' for trickle down. 'trickle down' is a term for an idea, just as loot and plunder is the alternative...guess which one we are closest to?

if you want the truth there is no communism/socialism/markism either....all have been corrupted from their initial goal...the mistake marx and engals made was underestimating man's propensity towards GREED.

GREED is also the motivating force behind capitalism. this is why without checks and balances including regulations, capitalism is doomed to failure. capitalists must be forced to do the right thing...sitting back hoping and waiting for someone who is greedy enough to amass great wealth to do the right thing is an exercise in futility....the problem being that capitalists at this point are too powerful to be reined in.
 
if you want the truth there is no communism/socialism/markism either....all have been corrupted from their initial goal...the mistake marx and engals made was underestimating man's propensity towards GREED.

GREED is also the motivating force behind capitalism. this is why without checks and balances including regulations, capitalism is doomed to failure. capitalists must be forced to do the right thing...sitting back hoping and waiting for someone who is greedy enough to amass great wealth to do the right thing is an exercise in futility....the problem being that capitalists at this point are too powerful to be reined in.

Did all these regulations work for us? lol Regulations become tools for more greed, conquer and control. The problem is when you allow the power of goverment to increase power, expand and regulate we get more poverty and smaller group of richer people like we have here today with the middle class disappearing.

No matter what system you get, your going to have greed and your going to have poverty. If you allow goverment powers to increase, they usually turn sour as we also see here today in the USA.

Greed in some ways is good, as its a driving force for innovation. Greed is good when you work hard, respect the Bill of Rights and make your money honestly with the voting power of the consumer when they go to the store/service and spend money.

Greed is bad when you have the bankers, Obama, Bush, etc...the clan I should say hand over trillions of dollars to the mega-ultra corporations who abuse human rights and make their money dishonestly though ponzie schemes and fraud.

Just saying there is a difference, and Capitalism shouldn't be the latter.
 
Did all these regulations work for us? lol Regulations become tools for more greed, conquer and control. The problem is when you allow the power of goverment to increase power, expand and regulate we get more poverty and smaller group of richer people like we have here today with the middle class disappearing.

No matter what system you get, your going to have greed and your going to have poverty. If you allow goverment powers to increase, they usually turn sour as we also see here today in the USA.

Greed in some ways is good, as its a driving force for innovation. Greed is good when you work hard, respect the Bill of Rights and make your money honestly with the voting power of the consumer when they go to the store/service and spend money.

Greed is bad when you have the bankers, Obama, Bush, etc...the clan I should say hand over trillions of dollars to the mega-ultra corporations who abuse human rights and make their money dishonestly though ponzie schemes and fraud.

Just saying there is a difference, and Capitalism shouldn't be the latter.

the last sentence of my post says it all...who is going to rein in the people with control of the money and all the power?

regulations don't work because the ones who need regulated the most are never truely effected, all they do is backfire and hurt the lower echelon....the powerful people and corporations are untouchable...lawyers control regulations. government lawyers are no match against high powered corporate ATTORNEYS....and last but not least, don't forget PAYOFFS.....greed greed greed
 
the last sentence of my post says it all...who is going to rein in the people with control of the money and all the power?

regulations don't work because the ones who need regulated the most are never truely effected, all they do is backfire and hurt the lower echelon....the powerful people and corporations are untouchable...lawyers control regulations. government lawyers are no match against high powered corporate ATTORNEYS....and last but not least, don't forget PAYOFFS.....greed greed greed

Government lawyers? They are all in on it, remember the corporation lobbies the goverment, which means they are the goverment. It was the insurance industry that wrote the Obamacare regulations, not he goverment, although the Government (well, Obama primarily in this case) pretends to take all the credit for it.

Anyways I mostly blame the American people for not listening to me when I tell them to stop voting for Republicrats, lol. They should be voting for me :)
 
Government lawyers? They are all in on it, remember the corporation lobbies the goverment, which means they are the goverment. It was the insurance industry that wrote the Obamacare regulations, not he goverment, although the Government (well, Obama primarily in this case) pretends to take all the credit for it.

Anyways I mostly blame the American people for not listening to me when I tell them to stop voting for Republicrats, lol. They should be voting for me :)

i will make you a promise:
if you somehow get your name on the ballot in 2016...you will get my vote!!!!!

that is if obama doesn't declare a state of emergency and stay in office indefinately.....not really serious, not really kidding either....
 
i will make you a promise:
if you somehow get your name on the ballot in 2016...you will get my vote!!!!!

that is if obama doesn't declare a state of emergency and stay in office indefinately.....not really serious, not really kidding either....

Oh noooo....Oprah said that if you are mean about Obama your a racist and should die!!!

 
obamacare is a well crafted plan drawn up by big business...health care benefits is something business has been whining about for years, with obamacare they have a way out. in less than 2 years i would be surprised if even 10% of americans have employer sponsored healthcare..

it is my opinion that obamacare was designed to fail...there is no way the government can take on such an expansive and expensive task as sponsored healthcare, americans are too spoiled and pampered with the way medicine is done today and in my opinion would not tolerate the canadian/british form of socialized medicine.

i believe that republicans and democrats are in this together, with each playing their role...once obamacare fails [and it will fail] the republicans can say i told you so...and the democrats can blame the republicans for it's failure, so there is a out for both parties...in the end the big winner is american business which is finally out of the healthcare game, something it has been trying to do for decades, imo.

looks like this is going to be prophetic...it appears obama Knew this was going to fail far in advance of it going into effect...plus i see more and more companies everyday dropping company backed healthcare benefits...i stand by my prediction. in 2 years only 10% of americans will have employer backed healthcare benefits...

HEY AMERICA...WE'VE BEEN SCAMMED
 
looks like this is going to be prophetic...it appears obama Knew this was going to fail far in advance of it going into effect...plus i see more and more companies everyday dropping company backed healthcare benefits...i stand by my prediction. in 2 years only 10% of americans will have employer bach healthcare benefits...

HEY AMERICA...WE'VE BEEN SCAMMED

Even my dog Brotato realize this but they have put the muzzle on him:)
 
Even my dog Brotato realize this but they have put the muzzle on him:)

then i guess brotato realises that it isn't only poor old barry at fault here...but american business who concoted this scam to get out of employee healthcare benefits???
 
then i guess brotato realises that it isn't only poor old barry at fault here...but american business who concoted this scam to get out of employee healthcare benefits???

lol he know, I know he does not look to bright but he is smart dog
 
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lol he know, I know he does not look to bright but he is smart dog

Smart dogs qualify for Obamacare.....and Im not kidding.

Colo. man signs up for his insurance, his dog gets covered instead


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The thing is why would people that have been gettibg free health care for 10-20 years sign up now and have to pay?

just to catch you up to speed...the whole dammed thing is one great biga$$ scam!!!
 
i see karzi is setting conditions to obama...geez, what would ronnie do?

jimmiy carter has got to be obama's biggest fan, no longer will old jimmy be thought of as worst president in modern history.
 
i see karzi is setting conditions to obama...geez, what would ronnie do?

jimmiy carter has got to be obama's biggest fan, no longer will old jimmy be thought of as worst president in modern history.

Karzi's brother was the biggest druglord in Afghanistan before he was murdered (probably cia?) several years ago.

Opium production is now at an all record high and we have our own military admitting they are helping to grow the plants. The military even admits to giving cash (our tax dollars) to the farmers when the Taliban come in a ruin the crops.

Anyways...Obama is the biggest druglord on the planet and is only doing what the British did back in the 1800's. Lets not forget he is a gun smuggler too.
 
no longer will old jimmy be thought of as worst president in modern history.

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i wonder if the color of obama's skin has anything to do with their love for him?

isn't that what oprah would call racism?
 
i wonder if the color of obama's skin has anything to do with their love for him?

isn't that what oprah would call racism?

Show Obama any disrespect its racism.

Hate Obamacare? Your a racist.

Hate how Obama can detain you without a warrent, even kill you on domestic soil repealing Habeas Corpus? Your a racist.

Hate how Obama is flying drones across the middle east and dropping bombs at a wedding killing many children in the name if killing a "suspect." Your a racist.

Hate how Obama supports the Fed. Reserves infinite bailouts effectively making the middle and lower class poorer by the minute? Your a racist.

Hate how Obama turned on all his campaign promises such as ending warrentless wiretapping of American Citizens? Your a racist.

Hate how Obama signed an executive order allowing the Military to kick your door down, steal all your food and force you to labor? Your a racist.

The fact is people that are mean to Obama are racist and shouldnt show disrespect towards any of his policies.
 
Smart dogs qualify for Obamacare.....and Im not kidding.

Colo. man signs up for his insurance, his dog gets covered instead


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If dogs then only fair for cats other pets gerbils turtles equal insurance
 
Show Obama any disrespect its racism.

Hate Obamacare? Your a racist.

Hate how Obama can detain you without a warrent, even kill you on domestic soil repealing Habeas Corpus? Your a racist.

Hate how Obama is flying drones across the middle east and dropping bombs at a wedding killing many children in the name if killing a "suspect." Your a racist.

Hate how Obama supports the Fed. Reserves infinite bailouts effectively making the middle and lower class poorer by the minute? Your a racist.

Hate how Obama turned on all his campaign promises such as ending warrentless wiretapping of American Citizens? Your a racist.

Hate how Obama signed an executive order allowing the Military to kick your door down, steal all your food and force you to labor? Your a racist.

The fact is people that are mean to Obama are racist and shouldnt show disrespect towards any of his policies.

i guess oprah better buy lots of ammo for her ak47, looks like there are a lot of racists that need killing....geez, oprah!!!! talk about a race baiter...
 
i guess oprah better buy lots of ammo for her ak47, looks like there are a lot of racists that need killing....geez, oprah!!!! talk about a race baiter...

I wouldnt be surprised if she is another anti-gun 2nd amendment puppet who is surrounded by people with guns protecting here like Michael Moore.

I mean she needs to protect herself from even black people who hate Obama as black Obama haters are out to destroy black civilization...cause them black people must hate their own race??????
 
Suck on this Oprah you slimy corporate fascist Obama loving puppet....

 
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