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Number 10 said:
I've read some of your other posts and, to be honest champ, you're an imbecile...
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Because I don't spit bro science?
400g of protein for te gainz.
Chicken and brown rice and that's it.
Protein shake and bcaas right after workout gain more muscle.
6-8 meals a day= gainz
Creatine with sugar or else it doesn't work.
Science has disproved all of this stuff sir.
 
Snicket63 said:
I know I know but as long as I'm not eating to many callories I won't gain extra fat by just eating different carbs. (As science says) but I've read on forums that you need good "clean foods" ( bro science). So idk what to believe. I rather eat easier foods on a bulk and eat foods that fill me up on a cut. Nomsayin?
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Eating "clean foods" healthy foods is not bro science. Honestly it's common sense that anyone with half a brain should to some level understand. For example your body is able to use and process sugars from fruits much much better than processed sugar in a poptart.
 
rphash49 said:
Eating "clean foods" healthy foods is not bro science. Honestly it's common sense that anyone with half a brain should to some level understand. For example your body is able to use and process sugars from fruits much much better than processed sugar in a poptart.
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I don't eat poptarts and sugar cubes all day. I don't think you need to be so strict with your diet unless your a pro. I eat a lot of fruits also. I eat poptarts when I need the callories.
 
Number 10 said:
I'm now genuinely confused (noob to the boards).
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I wasn't serious when I said "strait up g".
Also the hodge twins don't do any of that bro science anymore. They make sure they hit 160g of protein a day and make sure they hit their macros and they eat whatever they want to fill it. Tey don't do any of that broscience. Looks like it's working for them.
 
Rodja said:
He's saying that you're the one that has asked for help, but argues with the advice that you've been given.
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I asked if upping the dosage would make my cycle gains a bit better because they've slowed down after 2 weeks. Instead people come in and rip on me because I don't eat chicken and rice every day and because I made the mistake of not getting a SERM. I know a SERM is best.
 
Snicket63 said:
I know I know but as long as I'm not eating to many callories I won't gain extra fat by just eating different carbs. (As science says) but I've read on forums that you need good "clean foods" ( bro science). So idk what to believe. I rather eat easier foods on a bulk and eat foods that fill me up on a cut. Nomsayin?
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Aaaaand now everyone who has read that is now dumber.

You won't gain any extra WEIGHT if you hit you cals via sh*t food. It will however have a drastic impact on what your weight is made up of. Hit your cals by eating twinkies and ho hos and you will stay the same weight... and you'll also have the consistency of a bag of lard.

What do you care anyway? You're about to lose any gains you made as it is. Hope your pop tarts have Clomid in them. No amount of food, good or sh*tty, is going to keep muscle on you in your PCT.
 
Snicket63 said:
I asked if upping the dosage would make my cycle gains a bit better because they've slowed down after 2 weeks. Instead people come in and rip on me because I don't eat chicken and rice every day and because I made the mistake of not getting a SERM. I know a SERM is best.
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And everyone responded by saying your diet sucks.

From my considerable time on AM, I'd wager that 90% of the people who say "diet is in check" are totally full of shyt. I don't think this is any different; you think you're following IIFYM, you think everything posted in response to your issue is bro science, so why even ask?

You have no idea how to run a cycle, yet here you are wondering why your piss poor planning isn't working like magic fairy muscle dust.

If you're trolling, you win, you got me. If not, pull the fawking needle out of your ass and figure out how to eat & train.

I'm out, fawk this thread.
 
6andaHalf said:
Aaaaand now everyone who has read that is now dumber.

You won't gain any extra WEIGHT if you hit you cals via sh*t food. It will however have a drastic impact on what your weight is made up of. Hit your cals by eating twinkies and ho hos and you will stay the same weight... and you'll also have the consistency of a bag of lard.

What do you care anyway? You're about to lose any gains you made as it is. Hope your pop tarts have Clomid in them. No amount of food, good or sh*tty, is going to keep muscle on you in your PCT.
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Your severely mistaken dude. I eat a few things like some poptarts and ice cream and stuff, then I eat sandwiches and meats and pasta and tons of milk. So the part about you can't gain weight eating callories not from traditional "clean" foods is just wrong. People do iifym all the time and they're just fine. Hodgetwins are just an example. Who said I was eating twinkles and ho ho'a and nothing else? I've done my iifym diet and I've went from a skinny 140 pounds to 200 at 5 ft 10. And now ill lose gains now because I don't have a SERM? I know SERM is the best but people have gotten by without before. I know it's not optimal but it's all I got.
 
Swanson52 said:
And everyone responded by saying your diet sucks.

From my considerable time on AM, I'd wager that 90% of the people who say "diet is in check" are totally full of shyt. I don't think this is any different; you think you're following IIFYM, you think everything posted in response to your issue is bro science, so why even ask?

You have no idea how to run a cycle, yet here you are wondering why your piss poor planning isn't working like magic fairy muscle dust.

If you're trolling, you win, you got me. If not, pull the fawking needle out of your ass and figure out how to eat & train.

I'm out, fawk this thread.
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I didn't say it was magic. I asked if it was normal for gains to slow after 2 week mark. Where are people getting the idea I don't know how to eat and train? I didn't ask about diet because I got that worked out for me. I know what I'm doing in the rest/eat/train department. Trust me. I'm not goin on here and saying I'm the "hard gainer" who has trained for a month and can't make gains so I jump on the juice gain 7 pounds then lose it all rinse and repeat.
 
I track every calorie and macro exactly. I don't just "eat a lot" and actually get 2k calories a day.

I use myfitnesspal btw
 
Damn, every time I turn and take a glance at a thread, I see you wanting answers and then arguing with them. Nice first month here. Stop trolling or start learning. Please.
 
Matthersby said:
Damn, every time I turn and take a glance at a thread, I see you wanting answers and then arguing with them. Nice first month here. Stop trolling or start learning. Please.
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This thread got completely skewed off topic. I didn't ask about people's opinions to my diet, or my traning or why prohormones aren't making me look like Arnold. I asked if it was the norm to up dosage after 2 weeks. People then tore my hole up about not using a SERM then they decided to make fun of my diet wich tey know nothing about. I don't need help with anything other than my cycle.
 
But it may be your training and diet that are causing you to stall. Ya' dig?
Diet and programming play a large role in progression, even when on the sauce.
 
Weird, because I love getting to the bottom of issues by utilizing those here that are more knowledgeable than I on aas, competition, training and diet. It must be a combination of humility and desire to learn. Because I don't know everything.
 
I've seen some of the more experienced loggers here talk about eating foods that pack way more fat and empty calories than some ****ing pop tarts. Ever see Jay Cutlers fat ass off season? Plus he's using dimethazine....poptarts here and there arent going to make him fat as long as he's not going overboard. I'm sorry but some of the biggest bodybuilders eat literal shyt. To bulk up. If you don't know that then I don't know what to tell you. Could ATD bring his test levels back to normal? Its possible but a serm is best
 
iparatroop said:
But it may be your training and diet that are causing you to stall. Ya' dig?
Diet and programming play a large role in progression, even when on the sauce.
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It's not exactly a stall but the weight isn't coming on like the first 2 weeks.
I did increase the dosage and I'm doing it mainly to get my cycle over with faster so I can cut.
The thing I'm worried about is keeping gains now. People are saying without a SERM you lose all gains but that can't be true. Granted I would keep more probably with a SERM but I've seen logs of OTC and they turn out fine. As long as I don't run a harsh cycle like dmz again with OTC I should be fine hopefully?

Also how long after the last dose of the cycle should I safely be able to drop the calories and cut? 1 month?
 
JD261985 said:
I've seen some of the more experienced loggers here talk about eating foods that pack way more fat and empty calories than some ****ing pop tarts. Ever see Jay Cutlers fat ass off season? Plus he's using dimethazine....poptarts here and there arent going to make him fat as long as he's not going overboard. I'm sorry but some of the biggest bodybuilders eat literal shyt. To bulk up. If you don't know that then I don't know what to tell you. Could ATD bring his test levels back to normal? Its possible but a serm is best
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They use insulin. I don't. And I have a desk job. They don't. Jay uses dimethazine?
 
Snicket63 said:
It's not exactly a stall but the weight isn't coming on like the first 2 weeks. I did increase the dosage and I'm doing it mainly to get my cycle over with faster so I can cut. The thing I'm worried about is keeping gains now. People are saying without a SERM you lose all gains but that can't be true. Granted I would keep more probably with a SERM but I've seen logs of OTC and they turn out fine. As long as I don't run a harsh cycle like dmz again with OTC I should be fine hopefully? Also how long after the last dose of the cycle should I safely be able to drop the calories and cut? 1 month?
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You can't expect the second cigarette to be exactly like the first. Some people have an awesome first two weeks, some people have an awesome last two weeks, some people are awesome through a whole cycle. Maybe upping the dosage will help bring back that loving feeling. More is not always better though. Just because you're not getting stronger at this point doesn't mean the compound isn't doing its job either.
Cutting during PCT isn't a recommended practice. PCT is the time to solidify gains. You may not lose all of your gains with your herbal homeopathic PCT. Gains should be the least of your worries though, your shutdown HPTA system should be your worry. Research negative feedback loop and find out why your balls are shrinking. Then research clomid and how it is used to essentially "reboot" the HPTA (there are other SERMs, but I don't feel like mentioning all of them).
Most any cycle of methylated compounds is going to shut you down. Sure, some people come out fine, or think they did because they feel no ill effects initially. Bloodwork is the only true way to see if you've recovered. There's a lot of parrots on here that are gonna say "no SERM, no cycle" because that's what their bro told them. There's others on here that say that because they did it, and fcuked themselves up. Either way, it's the "safer route".
As far as cutting cals, I wouldn't do that until after PCT, but that's just my $.02.
 
iparatroop said:
You can't expect the second cigarette to be exactly like the first. Some people have an awesome first two weeks, some people have an awesome last two weeks, some people are awesome through a whole cycle. Maybe upping the dosage will help bring back that loving feeling. More is not always better though. Just because you're not getting stronger at this point doesn't mean the compound isn't doing its job either.
Cutting during PCT isn't a recommended practice. PCT is the time to solidify gains. You may not lose all of your gains with your herbal homeopathic PCT. Gains should be the least of your worries though, your shutdown HPTA system should be your worry. Research negative feedback loop and find out why your balls are shrinking. Then research clomid and how it is used to essentially "reboot" the HPTA (there are other SERMs, but I don't feel like mentioning all of them).
Most any cycle of methylated compounds is going to shut you down. Sure, some people come out fine, or think they did because they feel no ill effects initially. Bloodwork is the only true way to see if you've recovered. There's a lot of parrots on here that are gonna say "no SERM, no cycle" because that's what their bro told them. There's others on here that say that because they did it, and fcuked themselves up. Either way, it's the "safer route".
As far as cutting cals, I wouldn't do that until after PCT, but that's just my $.02.
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I think I know how SERMS work and I was thinking an AI would help restart my hormones by blocking the estrogen causing my body to attempt to make more estrogen by making test but it can't convert so it stays as test, I finish pct, taper off with my left over erase. SERMS block estrogen from reaching the brain and affecting certain tissues. I would think it's better by maintaining homeostasis and boosting test without crushing estrogen. Am I partly right?
 
Snicket63 said:
Your severely mistaken dude. I eat a few things like some poptarts and ice cream and stuff, then I eat sandwiches and meats and pasta and tons of milk. So the part about you can't gain weight eating callories not from traditional "clean" foods is just wrong. People do iifym all the time and they're just fine. Hodgetwins are just an example. Who said I was eating twinkles and ho ho'a and nothing else?q I've done my iifym diet and I've went from a skinny 140 pounds to 200 at 5 ft 10. And now ill lose gains now because I don't have a SERM? I know SERM is the best but people have gotten by without before. I know it's not optimal but it's all I got.
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Nothing wrong with bulking food here and there.

You are the one asking for help about how much DMZ you should be taking and a everything because you aren't gaining. Everyone is different in different parts of the cycle. Going to 60 helped me but honestly man, 60mg and no SERM may not be the brightest idea. It doesn't matter if people used to do it. People did a lot of stupid sh*t. Its 2013, just explore your recourses next time. You obviously care about results so do more research next time.

You aren't just going to be a new man after a cycle. I had that mindset and was disappointed. You have to understand it is just a little boost that you must capitalize on. PCT is the end all be all. Equally important as the cycle if not more important because its far more challenging than gaining from PH in the first place. I would not cut cals at a in PCT.

I think you are more knowledgeable than it first appeared so just keep focused. I'd prob throw together a serious OTC concoction of you won't buy a SERM.
 
6andaHalf said:
Nothing wrong with bulking food here and there.

You are the one asking for help about how much DMZ you should be taking and a everything because you aren't gaining. Everyone is different in different parts of the cycle. Going to 60 helped me but honestly man, 60mg and no SERM may not be the brightest idea. It doesn't matter if people used to do it. People did a lot of stupid sh*t. Its 2013, just explore your recourses next time. You obviously care about results so do more research next time.

You aren't just going to be a new man after a cycle. I had that mindset and was disappointed. You have to understand it is just a little boost that you must capitalize on. PCT is the end all be all. Equally important as the cycle if not more important because its far more challenging than gaining from PH in the first place. I would not cut cals at a in PCT.

I think you are more knowledgeable than it first appeared so just keep focused. I'd prob throw together a serious OTC concoction of you won't buy a SERM.
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I should have researched a lot more on dmz. I didn't know it was so harsh. I thought it was medium. The only reason I bought it was to get mass and strength before my cut. Next time ill get some mild ph that I can use a OTC on. Tbh I didn't care about mass as much as strength. I'm honestly a bit scared of not having a SERM now.
 
Snicket63 said:
I should have researched a lot more on dmz. I didn't know it was so harsh. I thought it was medium. The only reason I bought it was to get mass and strength before my cut. Next time ill get some mild ph that I can use a OTC on. Tbh I didn't care about mass as much as strength. I'm honestly a bit scared of not having a SERM now.
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Yea its more harsh than EpI/ Hdrol and less harsh than SD. DMZ will surely pack on some size. Strength is good but Epi would probably be better for that.

Honestly, once you have done DMZ any other PH that is weak enough for a sufficient OTC post cycle would seem like nothing. I was lazy on the SERM thing too my first time but its really easy man. I should not have hesitated. Just takes a few weeks to arrive most the time so be sure to have it before yoy start another harsh compound... if you do.

I did 2 AMS Growth Kits back to back in 6 weeks and got ok results and ran OTC post cycle. Honestly, in my experience it wasnt any better than running Triazole/Activate Xtreme/daa. Sounds crazy but that natty run actually gave me a little insomnia and crazy dreams like some people get from PHs. I also got almost as strong as I did on hdrol.
 
6andaHalf said:
Yea its more harsh than EpI/ Hdrol and less harsh than SD. DMZ will surely pack on some size. Strength is good but Epi would probably be better for that.

Honestly, once you have done DMZ any other PH that is weak enough for a sufficient OTC post cycle would seem like nothing. I was lazy on the SERM thing too my first time but its really easy man. I should not have hesitated. Just takes a few weeks to arrive most the time so be sure to have it before yoy start another harsh compound... if you do.

I did 2 AMS Growth Kits back to back in 6 weeks and got ok results and ran OTC post cycle. Honestly, in my experience it wasnt any better than running Triazole/Activate Xtreme/daa. Sounds crazy but that natty run actually gave me a little insomnia and crazy dreams like some people get from PHs. I also got almost as strong as I did on hdrol.
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Yeah I think if I ever run another cycle this year I will use a weak ph. I just can't justify spending 50 bucks on any natty products now when I could get a ph for 50. I know one thing tho. I will never run another strong cycle without a SERM.
 
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