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Safest Bulk Product or stack????

orion4321

New member
Looking for some help!!!
Been reading your posts like crazy and trying to put together a cycle or stack!
Formula changes, discontinued products, new names and so on, you have to be a Chemist, Scientist and research maniac to figure it out.

Been lifting for years, 40 years old, 6ft 185 lbs, 10% body fat, ran a few cycles, some serious and some weaker pro-hormones.
Now, I want to do the SAFEST, most effective bulking cycle with one product or a stack. I know you have to give up results for the safety factor, but some stuff
works a little and some not at all. I just don’t want to thrash my liver, have my hair fall out, and blood pressure go sky high. Long and steady wins the race.

ANY IDEAS???

I was thinking maybe-

19-NorAndro (Because it suppose to be real safe, been around, with some alright gains)
Andro Bulk (For my Dhea product, fairly good price) But heard some of you had hair shedding, which sucks.
VasABOL (For a tricked out Creatine mix)

With prescribed Testosterone cream, protein, etc.
I will figure out PCT, and dosing, and everything else once I can even come up with a cycle/stack that’s safe and currently on the market.

Thanks for any great knowledge, ideas, and feedback!!!!
 
For safety I would just stick with the DHEA's like 1 AD 4 AD, 19 nor. LG sciences, AMS , Finaflex and iron mag labs are all good companies to look into for these products. If you use something like 19 nor you could always look into using something like formeron which is a topical formestane product that is an AI but is also supposed to reduce side effects that come from increased DHT, etc (like you said hair shedding was an issue). I still consider myself a noob in the area so wait for some of the experienced users to give you some stellar advice before moving forward
 
Thanks!!! Thats a good start and I appreciate the sharing of knowledge.
Any ideas on how to group any of that together to actually make an effective cycle/stack??
Its just crazy that some, including myself, risk so much for a little temporary muscle. Going bald, having bitch tits, and being on dialysis the rest of our lives, for a few pounds of short term muscle. But many of us want, more and more, no matter what the consequences are.
This is why...
Any SAFE cycle, that gives ANY results, is a GOOD cycle.
 
hgjespersen said:
There is no such a thing a safe cycle. You risk permanent damage whatever you chose to run
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Permanent damage as in your natural test levels being shot to some degree. I agree with that but time seems to heal most people if they do the things needed to get test levels back to normal. However, OP at 50 yrs old I think you should get your natural test levels checked. You may be a candidate for TRT
 
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Thanks, I agree... But again, I am trying to come up or find the SAFEST products or stack that actually have some benefit. Some are much safer than others, those are the only ones I am interested in. Nothing meth or wet obviously, and so on.
 
If not any of the ones I suggested, how about the-
AMS: Anabolic Growth Kit RDe Chrome
1-ANDRO RDe CHROME,
4-AD RDe CHROME,
DECAVOL RDe CHROME?
 
Why nothing wet? Mbol, pmag, hdrol are very mild and would make for a great cycle
 
Many users report halodrol having zero or incredibly mild sides (myself included), often times with no shutdown issues. I'm recommending this out of personal experience as it's a smooth cycle and pretty easy to bulk on as long as your diet is efficiently geared towards it. There's certainly stronger compounds for this, they obviously come with a trade off though.
 
If anyone else is interested in the "safe stuff" just read blood result tests after 4 weeks on-
1-andro
and 4-ad
And the tests shown no negative sides, but obviously no one knows longterm effects.
They were taken separately.
 
orion4321 said:
If anyone else is interested in the "safe stuff" just read blood result tests after 4 weeks on-
1-andro
and 4-ad
And the tests shown no negative sides, but obviously no one knows longterm effects.
They were taken separately.
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How much do people typically put on during a bulking cycle? The supp store in my gym stocked a few bottles of these but haven't heard too much about anyone running them.
 
David at AMS told me 6-8 lbs.
Yes, 15 lbs would be better.
But 6 lbs sounds good if in 5-10 years you are not bald with shot organs, and bitch tits. LOL
 
Epi would not be effective at all to meet his goals. It's a decent compound with modest strength gains, good cutting properties and mild sides but i would never use it with the intentions to bulk.
 
pizzadrol said:
Epi would not be effective at all to meet his goals. It's a decent compound with modest strength gains, good cutting properties and mild sides but i would never use it with the intentions to bulk.
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Oh yeah it would if you want a clean bulk. Epi is good for 10 lbs.. bulking isnt just about weight . Like max lmg is good bulker but its so wet that you'll lose a lot of it. A lot of these compounds are good bulking compounds if you eat for it.. Epinis not mild in terms of what it does. On the liver yes maybe. But anything that can give you 10 lbs in 30 days is not mild. Even testosterone at 500 a week will hardly do that..
 
Nrgx's 19nor & hexadrone may be exactly what you are lookin for...
 
Hey Thanks!!
People have been saying the 19nor.
Just looked up the hexadrone and that sounds unbelievable. Man, everyone should be on that from what i see so far.
It looks like a new formulation, its sad that everything good, always has a bad. The bad to that would be not much information, research, longterm effects
type stuff.
What do you know of the two, have you ran either or both???
 
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orion4321 said:
Hey Thanks!!
People have been saying the 19nor.
Just looked up the hexadrone and that sounds unbelievable. Man, everyone should be on that from what i see so far.
It looks like a new formulation, its sad that everything good, always has a bad. The bad to that would be not much information, research, longterm effects
type stuff.
What do you know of the two, have you ran either or both???
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I like nrgx's 19nor, & have ran it with test and epi 3 times... Hexadrone sounds good & will try it on my next cycle.
I wouldn't touch that stuff with 5 ph's in 1 bottle, ever.....
 
Whats weird about that Hex.... its dirt cheap, has a good pitch, sold by numerous companies......... but no reviews, which makes
no sense. Some people have to be running it based all that!
 
There was a hexadrone being sold that was bunk. As soon as people saw that no one bought it I guess. I haven't seen one log
 
tinytony said:
Oh yeah it would if you want a clean bulk. Epi is good for 10 lbs.. bulking isnt just about weight . Like max lmg is good bulker but its so wet that you'll lose a lot of it. A lot of these compounds are good bulking compounds if you eat for it.. Epinis not mild in terms of what it does. On the liver yes maybe. But anything that can give you 10 lbs in 30 days is not mild. Even testosterone at 500 a week will hardly do that..
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Out of the numerous people I know who have ran Epi and the countless logs on here I've never seen anyone put on ten pounds of lean muscle on a 30 day cycle of epistane. I would be interested in seeing these logs. I know a clean six is achievable on a six week bulking diet but anything more than that only seems like it could be attributed to noob gains because ten pounds in 30 days from a mere epistane run seems unbelievable. I'm not saying it's completely impossible I've just never heard of anything more than six and that was in longer cycles too.
 
pizzadrol said:
Out of the numerous people I know who have ran Epi and the countless logs on here I've never seen anyone put on ten pounds of lean muscle on a 30 day cycle of epistane. I would be interested in seeing these logs. I know a clean six is achievable on a six week bulking diet but anything more than that only seems like it could be attributed to noob gains because ten pounds in 30 days from a mere epistane run seems unbelievable. I'm not saying it's completely impossible I've just never heard of anything more than six and that was in longer cycles too.
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I could put on 10 pounds going natty in 30 days. Dirty bulk ftw!
 
orion4321 said:
What kind of results/gain and sides did you get from the 19nor/test/epi stack???
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I went up 100 on all lifts in 3weeks, also up 20lbs in 4 weeks. I then dropped 19nor for stano/test/epi and cut cals by 1000.... I had a box of decavol for the 1st couple weeks also... I stayed at 30mg on epi/200mg test a week for the cycle. The only sides was that I was starving to death... Lol..
 
justmechillin said:
I went up 100 on all lifts in 3weeks, also up 20lbs in 4 weeks. I then dropped 19nor for stano/test/epi and cut cals by 1000.... I had a box of decavol for the 1st couple weeks also... I stayed at 30mg on epi/200mg test a week for the cycle. The only sides was that I was starving to death... Lol..
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Sounds like it was a good stack with good results, and doing to smart and safe.
How did you like the Decavol???
What kind of test, like andro gel, or a 200mg pin once a week?
 
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rphash49 said:
I could put on 10 pounds going natty in 30 days. Dirty bulk ftw!
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Lol two pounds lean and eight pounds adipose. What's sad is I've actually seen numerous people do this and consider it gains. That's called getting fat
 
orion4321 said:
Sounds like it was a good stack with good results, and doing to smart and safe.
How did you like the Decavol???
What kind of test, like andro gel, or a 200mg pin once a week?
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The test was cyp & the decavol works great with NRGX's 19nor & Epi. I don't like taking more than 1 methyl at a time...
 
orion4321 said:
I just want to do some of that PiZZADROl, how exactly do you dose it?? lol
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Eight slices in the morning and eight slices twelve hours later. Pizza isn't methylated so you can stack it with anything. Full dose of pizza a day and you're guaranteed like four pounds a week. Users report significant gains in central adiposity. Stack with Alcodrol for max dirty bulk results!
 
pizzadrol said:
Eight slices in the morning and eight slices twelve hours later. Pizza isn't methylated so you can stack it with anything. Full dose of pizza a day and you're guaranteed like four pounds a week. Users report significant gains in central adiposity. Stack with Alcodrol for max dirty bulk results!
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That may just be the cycle I have been looking for!!! Alcodrol I have run many, many times in the past. It works exceptionally well in a nightclub and hitting on chicks for the increase in testosterone effect!!!
 
orion4321 said:
That may just be the cycle I have been looking for!!! Alcodrol I have run many, many times in the past. It works exceptionally well in a nightclub and hitting on chicks for the increase in testosterone effect!!!
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Pizzadrol isn't great for your cholesterol so be sure to run cycle support like fish oil. Alcodrol isn't methylated but it's liver toxic so naturally you should preload Milk Thistle. Neither compounds aromatize but I can't promise they won't give you droopy tits
 
pizzadrol said:
Pizzadrol isn't great for your cholesterol so be sure to run cycle support like fish oil. Alcodrol isn't methylated but it's liver toxic so naturally you should preload Milk Thistle. Neither compounds aromatize but I can't promise they won't give you droopy tits
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The funny part is some people are probably reading these posts and looking where they can by these supplements. LOL
 
Yeah I don't know the specifics but I know that it is linked to raised estrogen levels and makes you more likely to have estrogen-related side effects if you drink on cycle. Something like that.
 
What about Gyno issues, what suppose to be the best to get rid of as much as possible or to help besides surgery?
I hear NOVA and LETRO are the best choices?
 
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