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Xtreme dmz and xtreme pct

Snicket63

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I will be getting my xtreme dmz and pct Tuesday and I don't have any way to get a SERM at all. The pct has some 6,17 keto etiocholeva-3-ol 3, 17 ketoetiochol-triene in it so I assume that should controll estrogen well enough.(am I correct?)
I also have 25 days of erase left if I use 2 caps a day. Should I use this on cycle or during pct?
I also have about 2 weeks of daa left for pct.
Xtreme dmz= 16 mg dmz per cap. 3 caps a day
It also has milk thistle and long jack.
I will also be drinking a bunch of cranberry juice to be on the safe side.

So can I get away with using the erase to help with estrogen intead of having a SERM?

Help is greatly appriciated. Thank you guys.
 
I just can't get a SERM.
I just want to know if I should take erase on cycle or on pct.
I already have an AI in pct so idk. Maybe after pct?
 
Hey Sni, you picked a strong PH. A SERM is required. Most safe PH users will state:

No SERM=No Cycle

Just trying to help you be safe man.
 
Thanks. I got this because it was for a very good price IMO.
I know I fked up by no SERM but what should I do with my extra erase to lessen the damage?
 
Guys, what dosage should I use so that I can keep a lot of gains without a SERM?
90 caps per bottle
16 mg dmz per cap
Bottle says 3 caps I think
Should I just use 2?

I really need some experienced people. I already paid for it so I'm going to use it anyways. I just want to make sure I do it so that I don't lose all my gains pct time.
 
Well, if you can't restart your natural test production right away, the you are going to lose some of those gains. That's why you need a SERM.
Erase isn't going to do much of anything for PCT without a SERM and test booster.

But, you should run 3 caps per day.
If you need another bottle of Erase, PM me and we can discuss it.
 
Snicket63 said:
Guys, what dosage should I use so that I can keep a lot of gains without a SERM?
90 caps per bottle
16 mg dmz per cap
Bottle says 3 caps I think
Should I just use 2?

I really need some experienced people. I already paid for it so I'm going to use it anyways. I just want to make sure I do it so that I don't lose all my gains pct time.
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holy crap you are one hard headed fool

think of it this way. you wont keep any of your gains without a serm. not with your experience and mentality. youll probly end up losing more than you gain within 6 months after the cycle
 
If you are dead set on not getting a SERM, and you have not given a valid reason why you cannot. I personally would lower the dose to no more than 30mg/day. Take the DAA during PCT at 6g/day for the first two weeks then 3/g day for another month. Start the erase at one cap day and work up to 3 over the course of three weeks, run till your out or 6 weeks. This is far from optimal and you really should do it right or don't do it at all. Why is this hard?
 
I can't get a SERM because of various issues. I have enough erase to hold me over if I need it. I guess I'll have to take 2 caps daily. And about me not keeping gains without serm, is this 100% true? I know serms are important but an AIs are going to have to cut it.
I'm sorry for all the trouble guys. I'm just trying to figure out what to do to keep gains.
 
Snicket63 said:
Guys, what dosage should I use so that I can keep a lot of gains without a SERM?
90 caps per bottle
16 mg dmz per cap
Bottle says 3 caps I think
Should I just use 2?

I really need some experienced people. I already paid for it so I'm going to use it anyways. I just want to make sure I do it so that I don't lose all my gains pct time.
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hey brother Serms are completely legal you can not get in any trouble from ordering them online. I know that sourcing is not allowed but if you look closely this forum supplies advertising for a very reputable company that offers high quality products. To be honnest your body will probably eventually bounce back from a PH if you dont run a SERM, truth be told when I first dived into the whole designer gear thing I ran products with out it. But think of it this way if you picture your body like a balloon the PH will fill that balloon what the SERM does is tie the knot once the PH stops filling you up. With out a SERM you will just deflate and possible let more "air" (muscle) out then when you had started then you will be back to square one, two steps forward and two steps back. The PH you have picked with fill you up fast but you will deflate just as quick if you dont supplement properly. Do your self a favor save up the money get a serm like Torem or Clomid so that you can keep all that hard earned muscle. There is nothing more disappointing for a body builder then stepping on the scale and seeing that he has lost muscle mass and strength. Its like a model seeing that she has a wrinkle or grey hair. Our muscles and strength are our pride. Can I get an Amen?!
 
McCrew530 said:
hey brother Serms are completely legal you can not get in any trouble from ordering them online. I know that sourcing is not allowed but if you look closely this forum supplies advertising for a very reputable company that offers high quality products. To be honnest your body will probably eventually bounce back from a PH if you dont run a SERM, truth be told when I first dived into the whole designer gear thing I ran products with out it. But think of it this way if you picture your body like a balloon the PH will fill that balloon what the SERM does is tie the knot once the PH stops filling you up. With out a SERM you will just deflate and possible let more "air" (muscle) out then when you had started then you will be back to square one, two steps forward and two steps back. The PH you have picked with fill you up fast but you will deflate just as quick if you dont supplement properly. Do your self a favor save up the money get a serm like Torem or Clomid so that you can keep all that hard earned muscle. There is nothing more disappointing for a body builder then stepping on the scale and seeing that he has lost muscle mass and strength. Its like a model seeing that she has a wrinkle or grey hair. Our muscles and strength are our pride. Can I get an Amen?!
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What happened when you didn't run a SERM?
 
Snicket63 said:
What happened when you didn't run a SERM?
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More or less just what I described. Clif note version I gained between 8-15 lbs depending on what I was running, got super strong, got off did the over the counter PCT deal dealt with diminished sex drive for a couple of months, it worked but I wasnt a beast in the sheets by any means I lost all my size gains in a matter of weeks and my strength tapered down to base line after a week or two. So more or less I just wasted my money.
I have also ran PH's with SERMS with great success. Same deal while "on" strength and size increases but instead of just doing an otc I added a 4 week run of a SERM and kept almost all of my size gains (only lost a pound or two) kept just about all my strength gains ( in a couple of cases hit new PR's), and the boys were back to full size and function with in a matter of days. I would run 4 weeks of the SERM of your choice then starting at the end of week one or two add in the Erase and DAA ( I did it at the end of week two so I could still be supplementing)
I know getting a SERM may seem sketchy or what ever just because it is not sold on normal supplement websites but like I said it is completely legal to buy it here in the good ol USA. It wont get confiscated and you wont get in trouble for ordering it but it is truly a must when running a PH/DS IF you want to keep your gains and rebound quickly.
 
Would it be possible to run 3 caps for the first 1-2 weeks then drop down to 2 for a week then start pct and take 1 cap and keep going down and down? In my head it seems that should help but you all know how my head seems to be hard. Haha
 
Snicket63 said:
Would it be possible to run 3 caps for the first 1-2 weeks then drop down to 2 for a week then start pct and take 1 cap and keep going down and down? In my head it seems that should help but you all know how my head seems to be hard. Haha
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Unfortunately your body doesnt really work that way, especially since the product you have is structurally similar to Superdrol which shuts you down quick. Its super effective but again once your body get shut down it takes a good amount of time to bounce back on its own then you have to think about the estrogen sides (gyno) and erectile dysfunction among other problems. Save up the extra 60 bucks bite the bullet and get the SERM then run DMZ at full strength & kick a$$ in the gym. A PCT is meant to take place to make sure you concrete all the gains you made and minimalize side effects. It is usually right after you get off the product that the really bad sides kick in. Acne is nothing compared to explaining to a naked girl in your bed why your junk dont work. She will either think its her and never see you again or think your really just gay and never want to do it again.
 
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