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AnabolicHolic said:
only drawback is that the 7/11 combo did bump my BP up pretty good....nothing that couldn't be controlled with hawthorn berry extract. I REALLY want to use Prototypes trans-rez, preg, and DHEA sprays in place of the transaderm...but damn that is 3 topicals instead of one, and its hard to gauge how much you need to get the mg amount you want since PA does not list mg amounts per 10 sprays or whatever. You can ask on his forum here on this site, and probably get an answer from a rep....but I prefer to see it listed on the label or on their site at least. 10 sprays = 10mg DHEA or whatever.....
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Does nobody on here ever use nitrates? Like beet root in decent amounts? Way better pumps and recovery. And I've never had high blood pressure on any cycle. Hawthorne berry keeps nitric oxide from breaking down but I've taken it in massive doses and it never pumps me or opens up veins like the combo of Hawthorne and nitrates, or just nitrates.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
only drawback is that the 7/11 combo did bump my BP up pretty good....nothing that couldn't be controlled with hawthorn berry extract. I REALLY want to use Prototypes trans-rez, preg, and DHEA sprays in place of the transaderm...but damn that is 3 topicals instead of one, and its hard to gauge how much you need to get the mg amount you want since PA does not list mg amounts per 10 sprays or whatever. You can ask on his forum here on this site, and probably get an answer from a rep....but I prefer to see it listed on the label or on their site at least. 10 sprays = 10mg DHEA or whatever.....
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Funny neither ever effected my BP but it usually stays pretty low anyways. I know he has listed the total actives in each bottle. I will look and see if I can find it on a spray basis. I always kind of do the total actives divided by 30 days or 14 days since those are the time tables a bottle will last depending on which it is. I also have no idea the mg basis need for transdermal vs. Oral administration. I just know that when I take it as directed, it works. I just wish it was feasible to run 3+ sprays a day.
 
tinytony said:
Does nobody on here ever use nitrates? Like beet root in decent amounts? Way better pumps and recovery. And I've never had high blood pressure on any cycle. Hawthorne berry keeps nitric oxide from breaking down but I've taken it in massive doses and it never pumps me or opens up veins like the combo of Hawthorne and nitrates, or just nitrates.
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I have taken multiple nitrate products and noticed an increased pump for sure. However, I have never measured their effects on my BP so I can't be of any help there
 
CATdiesel76 said:
I have taken multiple nitrate products and noticed an increased pump for sure. However, I have never measured their effects on my BP so I can't be of any help there
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Yeah all I know is I've done some cycles that people say usually gives the high BP and haven't had it myself. But then I'm very active and do construction all day so I get tons of exercise.
 
Yeah I'm a little bit sensitive to anything that may raise BP since i have a preexisting condition. I don't naturally have high BP, but if i take anything that may set it off? It will set it off....and not really bad or anything, like 140's and 90's....too high for my liking, but not 200 or whatever lol. I like to be 130's (or 120's if possible) and 70's personally.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
Yeah I'm a little bit sensitive to anything that may raise BP since i have a preexisting condition. I don't naturally have high BP, but if i take anything that may set it off? It will set it off....and not really bad or anything, like 140's and 90's....too high for my liking, but not 200 or whatever lol. I like to be 130's (or 120's if possible) and 70's personally.
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Yeah i was 120s/70s on Epi-Cyano and a butt load of stims
 
tinytony said:
Yeah i was 120s/70s on Epi-Cyano and a butt load of stims
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I'm getting back on Epi when I get off of vacation actually.....I loaded up on hawthorn AND hair concoctions lol, just got a shipment from wholesale hair today matter of fact :D Funny enough epi is one of the least harsh on my BP, sometimes I don't need to take anything for the BP on epi (I just have it on hand ready to go)....mega dose DHEA? like primordial or prototype? forget about it, BP through the roof.
 
1) avenacosoides, the most important ingredient in unleashed, are awesome and are a crucial part of pct in my opinion because of the increase in free testosterone it causes

2) ostarine is a must have in pct if you want to avoid a total crash from being off juice. Keeps you anabolic and is minimally suppressive (tyga if you're reading this I know you will disagree lol) so all you have to do is run a mini pct following the ostarine

3) I found hcgenerate for like $38 so it's pretty heavily discounted from the normal price, may or may not include it though

4) forma does convert very minimally to 4-Hydroxy testosterone, this gives it an anabolic affect which helps in pct, however it really isn't suppressive but again this is what the mini pct following the ostarine is for, to really make sure everything is in working order again
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I'm getting back on Epi when I get off of vacation actually.....I loaded up on hawthorn AND hair concoctions lol, just got a shipment from wholesale hair today matter of fact :D Funny enough epi is one of the least harsh on my BP, sometimes I don't need to take anything for the BP on epi (I just have it on hand ready to go)....mega dose DHEA? like primordial or prototype? forget about it, BP through the roof.
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I wonder why that is? Are you some sort of freak? Lol jk
 
JD261985 said:
I wonder why that is? Are you some sort of freak? Lol jk
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I guess i am just sensitive to mega-dose DHEA, I will say MANY guys over the years have told me that they had the same thing happen to them though....so it's not just me. I suppose its one of those everybody is different things, depends on the individual as to what sides they get or what benefits you get.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
That doesn't answer the question of why the test levels were doubled with the only variable being DHEA, unless estrogen is converting back to test.
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Either/ or, your body doesn't stop producing hormones even when on cycle.
Being that your on Supraphysiological dosages of hormones, most of the hormones produced will be towards creating a level playing field.
Hi dosages of androgens that bind strongly to the ar is going to do a couple of things.
Bind to ar. Bind to shbg.
This is going to free up test, and also allow brb, dinner time.
 
tinytony said:
Does nobody on here ever use nitrates? Like beet root in decent amounts? Way better pumps and recovery. And I've never had high blood pressure on any cycle. Hawthorne berry keeps nitric oxide from breaking down but I've taken it in massive doses and it never pumps me or opens up veins like the combo of Hawthorne and nitrates, or just nitrates.
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I was going to start recommending condense from purus as the on cycle pre w/o for this reason. Nitrates.
 
infraredline said:
1) avenacosoides, the most important ingredient in unleashed, are awesome and are a crucial part of pct in my opinion because of the increase in free testosterone it causes

2) ostarine is a must have in pct if you want to avoid a total crash from being off juice. Keeps you anabolic and is minimally suppressive (tyga if you're reading this I know you will disagree lol) so all you have to do is run a mini pct following the ostarine

3) I found hcgenerate for like $38 so it's pretty heavily discounted from the normal price, may or may not include it though

4) forma does convert very minimally to 4-Hydroxy testosterone, this gives it an anabolic affect which helps in pct, however it really isn't suppressive but again this is what the mini pct following the ostarine is for, to really make sure everything is in working order again
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Hcgen instead of unleashed. Hcgen was the best Natty sup need to build had.
 
tinytony said:
If Mecha is what Pmag converts to, and Pmag is stronger than Hdrol, for some anyway, then how the bleep is Hdrol stronger than Mecha? Not very many people if they are very honest gain a huge amount of clean mass from Hdrol.
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yes, varying people experience different results. I get zero from pmag. and practically nothing from mechabol. hardness, acne, leaning out.

but technically 4cloro-1-dehydro- methyl testosterone (turinabol) is stronger than 4chloro methyl testosterone, as well as 4-chloro 1-dehydro methyl androstenediol (cdma or hdrol) is stronger than 4-chloro methyl androstenediol.

I love hdrol. I haven't ever found a need dose it over 75mg with a quality clone. yes, there are those who say they feel the need to dose hdrol at 100mg or as high as 150mg.

the same when I used tbol. 50mg was more than enough. but I've never heard of people complaining about tbol or dosing over 80mg e/d.
 
infraredline said:
1) avenacosoides, the most important ingredient in unleashed, are awesome and are a crucial part of pct in my opinion because of the increase in free testosterone it causes

2) ostarine is a must have in pct if you want to avoid a total crash from being off juice. Keeps you anabolic and is minimally suppressive (tyga if you're reading this I know you will disagree lol) so all you have to do is run a mini pct following the ostarine

3) I found hcgenerate for like $38 so it's pretty heavily discounted from the normal price, may or may not include it though

4) forma does convert very minimally to 4-Hydroxy testosterone, this gives it an anabolic affect which helps in pct, however it really isn't suppressive but again this is what the mini pct following the ostarine is for, to really make sure everything is in working order again
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with this post it almost seems like you know what you're doing/talking about, but you lost that chance when you mentioned you heard hcgenerate can be used like hcg at the end of your cycle. good that you've done some research.

unleashed an post cycle are still over priced products and I don't recommend anyone buy them. if you get hcgenerate for 38 bucks, that's a good price.

I liked it best at 10 caps each day, but then, I was getting it for free, so I had that luxury.
 
and I don't like topical dhea (transaderm) because all I notice is estrogenic sides when I use it. people seem to like it. I don't.
 
jbryand101b said:
Either/ or, your body doesn't stop producing hormones even when on cycle.
Being that your on Supraphysiological dosages of hormones, most of the hormones produced will be towards creating a level playing field.
Hi dosages of androgens that bind strongly to the ar is going to do a couple of things.
Bind to ar. Bind to shbg.
This is going to free up test, and also allow brb, dinner time.
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Look a squirrel! Haha
 
jbryand101b said:
with this post it almost seems like you know what you're doing/talking about, but you lost that chance when you mentioned you heard hcgenerate can be used like hcg at the end of your cycle. good that you've done some research.

unleashed an post cycle are still over priced products and I don't recommend anyone buy them. if you get hcgenerate for 38 bucks, that's a good price.

I liked it best at 10 caps each day, but then, I was getting it for free, so I had that luxury.
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I got division 1 for eleven dolla's :D because it was white cap instead of red cap batch. They are cheap anyways, like 17-20 bucks....but yeah, unleashed (and probably test factor) are overpriced.....but 'garbage'???? NO! lol If you dislike the company, or their pricing (see mr supps!) then bash that aspect. But don't say the product is actually garbage, since it includes several beneficial and proven ingredients.
 
jbryand101b said:
with this post it almost seems like you know what you're doing/talking about, but you lost that chance when you mentioned you heard hcgenerate can be used like hcg at the end of your cycle. good that you've done some research.

unleashed an post cycle are still over priced products and I don't recommend anyone buy them. if you get hcgenerate for 38 bucks, that's a good price.

I liked it best at 10 caps each day, but then, I was getting it for free, so I had that luxury.
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Not sure what that's supposed to mean, there are threads on this forum that say that and over on 3lite fitness this is the recommended usage for it. I didn't say I believed it I said it supposedly works like hcg, leaving room for input from others since I didn't know for sure if this was the case.

If you would like to explain how I don't know what I'm talking about regarding anything else in my post I would be very interested to see what it is that brought you to that conclusion.

Also unleashed only cost me $28, that's a pretty good price in my opinion. I will not be using post cycle though as I can get forged post cycle or recycle by purus labs for cheaper and they both do the same thing as protein factory post cycle.

jbryand101b said:
Hcgen instead of unleashed. Hcgen was the best Natty sup need to build had.
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Unleashed is made by protein factory, needto just has it in their online store.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I got division 1 for eleven dolla's :D because it was white cap instead of red cap batch. They are cheap anyways, like 17-20 bucks....but yeah, unleashed (and probably test factor) are overpriced.....but 'garbage'???? NO! lol If you dislike the company, or their pricing (see mr supps!) then bash that aspect. But don't say the product is actually garbage, since it includes several beneficial and proven ingredients.
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I've never heard if division 1 but I will take a look at it.

I completely agree, test factor is over priced.
 
infraredline said:
Not sure what that's supposed to mean, there are threads on this forum that say that and over on 3lite fitness this is the recommended usage for it. I didn't say I believed it I said it supposedly works like hcg, leaving room for input from others since I didn't know for sure if this was the case.

If you would like to explain how I don't know what I'm talking about regarding anything else in my post I would be very interested to see what it is that brought you to that conclusion.

Also unleashed only cost me $28, that's a pretty good price in my opinion. I will not be using post cycle though as I can get forged post cycle or recycle by purus labs for cheaper and they both do the same thing as protein factory post cycle.



Unleashed is made by protein factory, needto just has it in their online store.
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I've been alternating between division 1, unleashed, and MN test factor....just to mix it up with slightly different products that have the same basic ingredients. I also take 2-3 weeks off, then run one of them for a few months or so....then take a little time off. So that there isn't any attenuation or diminishing returns....I hate to do this, only because this stuff is GREAT for hair loss....practically no hairs fall out while on nettle extract products. But I feel like the SHBG aspect needs to be cycled on and off just like anything else.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I got division 1 for eleven dolla's :D because it was white cap instead of red cap batch. They are cheap anyways, like 17-20 bucks....but yeah, unleashed (and probably test factor) are overpriced.....but 'garbage'???? NO! lol If you dislike the company, or their pricing (see mr supps!) then bash that aspect. But don't say the product is actually garbage, since it includes several beneficial and proven ingredients.
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Fair enough.
But the company that makes these products is protein factory.
Same company trying to sell tribulus as a potent steroid like product.
 
infraredline said:
I've never heard if division 1 but I will take a look at it.

I completely agree, test factor is over priced.
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It's made by athletix and sold at NP (always sold out there but usually in stock at PHF....). It's a pretty bare bones basic stinging nettle extract product without any of the bell's and whistles test factor and unleashed have, but its super cheap at 120 caps for ~$17 if you bargain shop.
 
infraredline said:
Unleashed is made by protein factory, needto just has it in their online store.
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No shiit. You don't think I know that.
Birds of a feather an all that.
But both companies are all buddies.
Need tbm, pro fact, Mr supp, forged

An they all butt rape their customers with no lube.
 
infraredline said:
Not sure what that's supposed to mean, there are threads on this forum that say that and over on 3lite fitness this is the recommended usage for it. I didn't say I believed it I said it supposedly works like hcg, leaving room for input from others since I didn't know for sure if this was the case.

If you would like to explain how I don't know what I'm talking about regarding anything else in my post I would be very interested to see what it is that brought you to that conclusion.

Also unleashed only cost me $28, that's a pretty good price in my opinion. I will not be using post cycle though as I can get forged post cycle or recycle by purus labs for cheaper and they both do the same thing as protein factory post cycle.

Unleashed is made by protein factory, needto just has it in their online store.
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No need, this says it again.
 
jbryand101b said:
Fair enough.
But the company that makes these products is protein factory.
Same company trying to sell tribulus as a potent steroid like product.
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yeah I was not enthused about buying from protein factory (overpriced and their marketing is awful lol, ever get an email from them? :D), but i figured I'd try unleashed out as a change of pace from division 1 a while back. I'd use it maybe once per year at the most just to mix things up....division 1 is what I use majority of the time, with a test factor here and an unleashed there....
 
jbryand101b said:
No shiit. You don't think I know that.Birds of a feather an all that.But both companies are all buddies. Need tbm, pro fact, Mr supp, forgedAn they all butt rape their customers with no lube.
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I specifically request lube in the order comments section when I order protein from them lol
 
I ordered forma from them last Monday, fckwads put it on sale last thursday....this "thursday sale" bullshyt has got to go, bring back those damn discount codes.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I ordered forma from them last Monday, fckwads put it on sale last thursday....this "thursday sale" bullshyt has got to go, bring back those damn discount codes.
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Haha I hate that, I gave up on sales. I just buy my **** and if it happens to be on sale then sweet. But I hate buying stuff and then the next day I get a email that says "the product you just bought went on sale for 50% off" I feel like breaking something lol
 
macdady said:
Haha I hate that, I gave up on sales. I just buy my **** and if it happens to be on sale then sweet. But I hate buying stuff and then the next day I get a email that says "the product you just bought went on sale for 50% off" I feel like breaking something lol
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I'm not a "sale guy" either, but damn with these exorbitant prices from a few of these places you NEED to get a discount to keep it anywhere near affordable. I know, buy from a cheaper company, but there isn't always a cheaper option (forma is expensive all over for example). Like you said though, you can't avoid it....you will get that email and it says "Forma sale" in the subject lol....I can't just ignore that. THAT'S A TWELVE BUCK EMAIL GODDAMNIT!!!
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I'm not a "sale guy" either, but damn with these exorbitant prices from a few of these places you NEED to get a discount to keep it anywhere near affordable. I know, buy from a cheaper company, but there isn't always a cheaper option (forma is expensive all over for example). Like you said though, you can't avoid it....you will get that email and it says "Forma sale" in the subject lol....I can't just ignore that. THAT'S A TWELVE BUCK EMAIL GODDAMNIT!!!
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Haha I recently went through that trauma. I finally signed up as a member at the place I get my RC stuff from. What's the first thing I get emailed to me after my order? 50% off everything! Hahaha dude my bp shot threw the roof
 
macdady said:
Haha I recently went through that trauma. I finally signed up as a member at the place I get my RC stuff from. What's the first thing I get emailed to me after my order? 50% off everything! Hahaha dude my bp shot threw the roof
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all you can do is say FAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHKKKKKKKKK!!!!!! :D
 
macdady said:
Oh yeah lol... I wonder if drywall mud has calories in it lol... I just sanded a wall in my kitchen and forgot about my shake being next to it.
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nah....more like fiber. Fiber that may cause cancer :D
 
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