SNS X-GELS? Worth the buy or worthless?

jerrysiii said:
I'm retry sure you can't patent a naturally occurring compound. Maybe an exact combo of things or delivery system, but not ArA itself.
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I think it has to do with the extraction process. I believe MN sold it to the company that produces the ArA. From my understanding, the ArA itself should be the same between X-Gels and XF.
 
kissdadookie said:
I think it has to do with the extraction process. I believe MN sold it to the company that produces the ArA. From my understanding, the ArA itself should be the same between X-Gels and XF.
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Correct, the patent was sold.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
I used at 2g daily for 8 weeks, it was like running a mild prohormone cycle. Very happy.
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2g is the sweet spot for me too. Its a great nonhormonal option.
 
Very eager to try ara. Im 2 weeks into an 8 week run of compound 20 and ap, eating just above maintenance. Thinking of running xgels on top of that with gms and lclt. Never ran ara. I know ideally running the ara alone would prob be better. Any thoughts on the combo?
 
No sarcasm I love pizza and it is a magnificent source for sat fat, and well assembled it can pose amazing macronutrient values. Good old protein pizza, bacon, some nice veggies and voila!
 
Celorza said:
No sarcasm I love pizza and it is a magnificent source for sat fat, and well assembled it can pose amazing macronutrient values. Good old protein pizza, bacon, some nice veggies and voila!
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Love pizza too, my fav cheat meal. Bout to have some in a bit here.
 
Celorza said:
No sarcasm I love pizza and it is a magnificent source for sat fat, and well assembled it can pose amazing macronutrient values. Good old protein pizza, bacon, some nice veggies and voila!
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Scrambled eggs on top of pizza.. for extra ArA.
 
kenny76 said:
Love pizza too, my fav cheat meal. Bout to have some in a bit here.
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No pizza here for a while, unless it's home made and I measure all to have my daily carb intake from it and the fats too. Gotta cut down around 1 to 2 percent more body fat.
 
Just found this:

"Arachidonic acid is ultimately one of the unsaturated fatty acids. Unlike many of the other unsaturated fats, however, arachidonic is predominantly found in animal-based foods. Often referred to as an omega-6 fatty acid, it is considered a "good" fat, since it's used in the production of hormones and the body's immune response. However, too much of this fatty acid can eventually lead to an elevation in cholesterol, which can cause plaque to accumulate along the arterial walls. According to the Mayo Clinic, this may result in coronary artery disease and increase your risk of heart attack and stroke (http://www.livestrong.com/article/38903-foods-high-arachidonic-acid/#page=1)."



Mr Cooper, could you set our minds at ease with some quality info?
 
drewsicle3210 said:
Just found this:

"Arachidonic acid is ultimately one of the unsaturated fatty acids. Unlike many of the other unsaturated fats, however, arachidonic is predominantly found in animal-based foods. Often referred to as an omega-6 fatty acid, it is considered a "good" fat, since it's used in the production of hormones and the body's immune response. However, too much of this fatty acid can eventually lead to an elevation in cholesterol, which can cause plaque to accumulate along the arterial walls. According to the Mayo Clinic, this may result in coronary artery disease and increase your risk of heart attack and stroke (http://www.livestrong.com/article/38903-foods-high-arachidonic-acid/#page=1)."

Mr Cooper, could you set our minds at ease with some quality info?
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It seems everything is gonna kill us. Ive been hearing about a study that says people that supplement omega 3 have a 70 percent greater chance of prostate cancer. Ill link the study when i get to a computer.
 
I heard that everyone who lives has a 100% chance of death.

Omfg!!!!!!!
 
De__eB said:
I hope you're not being sarcastic, pizza is awesome and can be done right!
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Now I'm thinking about ordering a pizza, or 4.
 
TheSwanks said:
I heard that everyone who lives has a 100% chance of death.

Omfg!!!!!!!
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Thanks for giving me a laugh lol. It's the truth, everything will kill us these days. As a rule I ignore all initial studies until they are reconfirmed several times at least. Even then, if it is a product that also has benefits I would weigh the pros/cons.
 
Driven2lift said:
Thanks for giving me a laugh lol. It's the truth, everything will kill us these days. As a rule I ignore all initial studies until they are reconfirmed several times at least. Even then, if it is a product that also has benefits I would weigh the pros/cons.
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Its the only way to fly! There are pros and cons to everything.
 
drewsicle3210 said:
Just found this:

"Arachidonic acid is ultimately one of the unsaturated fatty acids. Unlike many of the other unsaturated fats, however, arachidonic is predominantly found in animal-based foods. Often referred to as an omega-6 fatty acid, it is considered a "good" fat, since it's used in the production of hormones and the body's immune response. However, too much of this fatty acid can eventually lead to an elevation in cholesterol, which can cause plaque to accumulate along the arterial walls. According to the Mayo Clinic, this may result in coronary artery disease and increase your risk of heart attack and stroke (http://www.livestrong.com/article/38903-foods-high-arachidonic-acid/#page=1)."

Mr Cooper, could you set our minds at ease with some quality info?
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Plaque forms on artery walls when LDL particles are oxidized (small dense LDL particles, not large 'fluffy' ones). They jumped from ArA --> increased cholesterol (which in of itself is a poor predictor for heart disease, despite popular press)--> heart disease. This is not going to happen at 50 days of less than 2g of ArA.

Its sort of like saying that because a tomato (or any citrus fruit) contains methanol, which is then converted into formaldehyde; that you will develop cancer.

If an article makes a huge leap and bound like that, be very skeptical.
 
Everything take excessively will put us on risk and not following on the label intsrcution will kill you. So this is modern day now, lots of chemicals we consume, even we tried as much as we avoided, even the air we breath.
 
kenny76 said:
It seems everything is gonna kill us. Ive been hearing about a study that says people that supplement omega 3 have a 70 percent greater chance of prostate cancer. Ill link the study when i get to a computer.
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It was an observation study. No controls were in place thus all that the study showed was a correlation rather than a cause.
 
drewsicle3210 said:
Just found this:

"Arachidonic acid is ultimately one of the unsaturated fatty acids. Unlike many of the other unsaturated fats, however, arachidonic is predominantly found in animal-based foods. Often referred to as an omega-6 fatty acid, it is considered a "good" fat, since it's used in the production of hormones and the body's immune response. However, too much of this fatty acid can eventually lead to an elevation in cholesterol, which can cause plaque to accumulate along the arterial walls. According to the Mayo Clinic, this may result in coronary artery disease and increase your risk of heart attack and stroke (http://www.livestrong.com/article/38903-foods-high-arachidonic-acid/#page=1)."

Mr Cooper, could you set our minds at ease with some quality info?
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Also note we're talking about 50 day runs of ArA, typically at 1g daily.
 
kissdadookie said:
It was an observation study. No controls were in place thus all that the study showed was a correlation rather than a cause.
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In that case did they even think to look at the health of the subjects prior to the cancer breaking out. Perhaps the people taking fish oil were doing so in hopes of improving there poor health hence they were already in an unhealthy state?
 
bigflex0 said:
In that case did they even think to look at the health of the subjects prior to the cancer breaking out. Perhaps the people taking fish oil were doing so in hopes of improving there poor health hence they were already in an unhealthy state?
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Pretty sure it was not even fish oil in the study.
 
bigflex0 said:
In that case did they even think to look at the health of the subjects prior to the cancer breaking out. Perhaps the people taking fish oil were doing so in hopes of improving there poor health hence they were already in an unhealthy state?
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What they did was compare the bloods of terminal prostate cancer patients with those whom were not terminal. As you can guess, doing such a comparison really doesn't yield much of a validated finding. For all anybody knows, higher DHA levels could be a result of those in worse condition being far more health conscious than those whom are not in such a situation.
 
They weren't all terminal; some had elevated PSA values but that in of itself is a poor predictor of prostate cancer. A potential confounder is that many fish oil caps contain Vitamin E which has been found to be not beneficial for prostate cancer.

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Jiigzz said:
They weren't all terminal; some had elevated PSA values but that in of itself is a poor predictor of prostate cancer. A potential confounder is that many fish oil caps contain Vitamin E which has been found to be not beneficial for prostate cancer.

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Agreed. I was overgeneralizing :P

End of the day though, the study wasn't much of a study as a correlation was made without any effort to look for and isolate cause(s). It is like if one was to observe the types of people going out for regular jogs/runs in their neighborhood and sees more unfit people regularly jogging/running and then based on that observation, proceeds to make the claim that the more you jog/run the more unfit you are.
 
Wilsy7 said:
^^^ Should we stop the fish oil or cycle it or take something else?
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Absolutely not. You're reading too much into a correlation without any proof of causation.
 
The only gripe I have with Fish Oil is that they filter out the nasty stuff that makes you vomit up if you eat rancid fish; ALOT of shelve stored fish oils are rancid. Poke a hole in the next batch you get and smell the oil.


Another thing is that they are only triglyceride bound n3 and not phospholipid bound (or a great combination of both)
 
Day 2 using x-gels, with athletix high volume (GMS) and bulk LCLT. Great workout day 1, today the pumps were too much. Right forearm wouldn't relax, felt completely numb. Numb yet in pain. Had high hopes for xgels and have 2 bottles, anything I could do or try here?
 
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