Not feeling much from ephedrine.

Patuba

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I have been taking Broncaide 25mg X 2 a day with Ergoburn. I used to feel all jittery with ephedra, I don't feel any increased energy/jitters with Broncaide. I have felt appetite suppression but no increased heat, sweating or increased heart rate. Should I bump the dose up or keep it where it's at?
 
Patuba said:
I have been taking Broncaide 25mg X 2 a day with Ergoburn. I used to feel all jittery with ephedra, I don't feel any increased energy/jitters with Broncaide. I have felt appetite suppression but no increased heat, sweating or increased heart rate. Should I bump the dose up or keep it where it's at?
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Well the body adjusts to Ephedrine rapidly I have found. And others say this too. If you been taking it for a bit I'd cycle off. I Dose 37.5 2-3 times per Day when I do it. With 300 aspirin and 200-300 caffeine. That combo is what turns up the body heat and thermogenesis. My heart rate barely changes at 50 of Ephedrine each dose. It changes more after a big meal. This may not be the same for everyone
 
Make sure you have alkaloids and not extracts a lot of companies use extract which you probably won't feel
 
jgaz18 said:
Make sure you have alkaloids and not extracts a lot of companies use extract which you probably won't feel
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these would be salts rather than true extracts.I am assuming you are referring to old school ephedra and its extraction from ma huang.primatene is better than bronkaid, it costs more, but the HCL seems more effective
 
Bnatural said:
these would be salts rather than true extracts.I am assuming you are referring to old school ephedra and its extraction from ma huang.primatene is better than bronkaid, it costs more, but the HCL seems more effective
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I agree. 37.5 of primatene has me feeling awesome. This morning I dosed 50 of Bronkaid and basically don't feel anything
 
I am surprised, I've always heard Broncaide was awesome. I took 37.5 this morning and am noticeably warmer.
 
Now Ima break it down, an tell a lil story, straight out da box, from tha gangsta category,
About a sucka,
A sucka motha fcuka, he's ephedrine, he's a stim, but in Compton called a clucka..

Just kidding.

But seriously..
jbryand101b said:
Ephedrine HCl is approximately 82% ephedrine by weight.

Ephedrine sulfate is approximately 77% ephedrine by weight.

25 mg ephedrine HCl = 20.5 mg ephedrine

25 mg ephedrine sulfate = 19.25 mg ephedrine

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so yea, you get more ephedrine with 2 tabs of primatene vs 1 tab of bronkaid, but i look at it like this, you have to make a fair comparison, if your gonna use 2 tabs of primatene for your comparison, you gotta use 2 tabs of bronkaid for it, and that way, you get alot more ephedrine per tablet.

maybe you should bump it up to 3 and see how it treats you? i havn't tried that.
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jbryand101b said:
Which makes Bronkaid a better deal. This has been discussed many times on this forum.

The salt doesn't effect the compound.
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It just obviously affect show my particular body cant feel it. On primatene im jacked at 37.5. On Bronkaid I took 50 and was tired an hour later. Never even felt it. Same dosing protocol too. You cant argue that part.
 
jbryand101b said:
Now Ima break it down, an tell a lil story, straight out da box, from tha gangsta category,
About a sucka,
A sucka motha fcuka, he's ephedrine, he's a stim, but in Compton called a clucka..

Just kidding.

But seriously..
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But then you arent doing an even comparison when one is 25mg per pill and one is 50. I take 3 primatene. Two Bronkaid have more ephedrinethan that yet and no can feel
 
cowboy007 said:
If you have access to academic journals.. this clears up some of the "broscience" on here about E

Effects of Ephedra on autonomic nervous modulations:
Chen WL, Tsai TH, Yang CC, Kuo TB, Clinical Pharmacology And Therapeutics [Clin Pharmacol Ther], ISSN: 1532-6535, 2010 Jul; Vol. 88 (1), pp. 39-44; PMID: 20520603

This discusses clinical reaction and toxicity of E
Woolf, Alan D.; Watson, William A.; Smolinske, Susan; Litovitz, Toby. Clinical Toxicology (15563650), Aug2005, Vol. 43 Issue 5, p347-355, 9p, 3 Charts, 1 Graph; DOI: 10.1081/CLT-200066075

Chen, Wei-Lung; Tsai, Tung-Hu; Yang, Cheryl C.H.; Kuo, Terry B.J.. Journal of Ethnopharmacology, Aug2010, Vol. 130 Issue 3, p563-568, 6p; DOI: 10.1016/j.jep.2010.05.056

And this one..
Mehendale, Sangeeta R.; Bauer, Brent A.; Chun-Su Yuan. American Journal of Chinese Medicine, 2004, Vol. 32 Issue 1, p1-10, 10

Anyone who thinks they feel a difference between HCL and Sulfate should be interested. These studies both link to a group of case studies where scientists essentially determined the difference in ephedrine HCL and Sulfate absorption/reaction in the body was .0002% after a four week run. Thats as numerically close to "zero difference" as it gets.
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got placebo.

3 bronkaid vs 3 Primatene, you get more ephedrine with bronkaid all the time. on a mg for mg basis, by weight, you have more ephedrine with the hcl salt, but as far as how it acts in the body, there is no difference, so ultimately, it comes down to how much you want to spend, and how strong the placebo effect is on you causing you to believe you feel a difference.
 
tinytony said:
But then you arent doing an even comparison when one is 25mg per pill and one is 50. I take 3 primatene. Two Bronkaid have more ephedrinethan that yet and no can feel
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Primatene is 12.5mg hcl per tablet.

bronkaid is 25mg sulfate per tablet.

if you were looking at the salts, mg for mg, you get more ephedrine. but since the talk is about Primatene vs bronkaid, you then have to look at cost vs amount, if cost isn't an issue, and you want to take more tablets to get as much ephedrine as you would from 2-3 bronkaid (that would be 6 Primatene tablets for 75mg, how fast would your box of Primatene go then?) then go for it.
 
Gavin9 said:
HCL seems to work best for ME i have tried both.
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kanakafarian said:
I guess you noticed that .0002% difference
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there have been lots of people who have used both Primatene and bronkaid, and who feel one way or the other.

me personally, I feel Primatene sucks, but that is probably because 1 tablet of Primatene doesn't give me the same effect as 1 tablet of bronkaid. and that is because im getting more ephedrine with bronkaid.
 
jbryand101b said:
Primatene is 12.5mg hcl per tablet.

bronkaid is 25mg sulfate per tablet.

if you were looking at the salts, mg for mg, you get more ephedrine. but since the talk is about Primatene vs bronkaid, you then have to look at cost vs amount, if cost isn't an issue, and you want to take more tablets to get as much ephedrine as you would from 2-3 bronkaid (that would be 6 Primatene tablets for 75mg, how fast would your box of Primatene go then?) then go for it.
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It wouldn't go much faster because there is more total ephedrine in a box of primates. And who can whine about $10:-)
 
fun facts...

stxnas said:
Primatene is usually a little cheaper than Bronkaid, but it's only 12.5 mg Eph. HCl per pill. Bronkaid is 25mg Eph. Sulfate per pill. The only difference in the HCl vs the sulfate is the shelf life. HCl is something like 48-54 months to where the sulfate is only 36 months. I would have to say that the Bronkaid (made by Bayer) is the best deal for your asthma needs ;)
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thesinner said:
You're missing another important difference, that being you get less alkaloid per mg when you change the salts from chloride to sulfate.

25mg Ephedrine SO4 is about 96 micromoles
12.5mg Ephedrine HCl is about 63 micromoles

:think:
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stxnas said:
Damn you and your chemical engineering! LOL...
Yeah, but they both come in packs of 24 (not sure if the primatene tabs are easily split in half though as a one and a half pills would be the equivalent μmoles to one bronkaid).

$5.00 for 24 tabs of HCl ~ 1510 micromoles total ~300 μmole/$
$6.20 for 24 tabs of SO4 ~ 2300 micromoles total~370 μmole/$

So yeah, you do only get about 75% of the alkaloids per mg, but the Bronkaid's higher doesage makes up for it, right?...micromoles, lol, it just dawned on me how small of a unit we're talking about.

EDIT: So this means that 25mg of Eph SO4 ~ 19mg of Eph HCl.
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thesinner said:
1 micromole is 602200000000000000 molecules. What's your definition of small? :D
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tinytony said:
It wouldn't go much faster because there is more total ephedrine in a box of primates. And who can whine about $10:-)
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stxnas said:
Damn you and your chemical engineering! LOL...
Yeah, but they both come in packs of 24 (not sure if the primatene tabs are easily split in half though as a one and a half pills would be the equivalent μmoles to one bronkaid).

$5.00 for 24 tabs of HCl ~ 1510 micromoles total ~300 μmole/$
$6.20 for 24 tabs of SO4 ~ 2300 micromoles total~370 μmole/$
So yeah, you do only get about 75% of the alkaloids per mg, but the Bronkaid's higher doesage makes up for it, right?...micromoles, lol, it just dawned on me how small of a unit we're talking about.

EDIT: So this means that 25mg of Eph SO4 ~ 19mg of Eph HCl.
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