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msrider Freakazol/DBol/TestE/ Decca/Winny cyle after back surgery

straight beast mode up in here! Happy to read ppl killing it intensely after coming out of an intense surgery/injury like that; I can relate 110% and obviously we all rootin for ya.

as threef's mentioned prami/caber and even exemestane (eod) is gonna help tremendously with bloat; pretty much either adding or subtracting we're all kinda runnin the same cycle and I can easily say that these AI's are helping out with that and givin me some pretty intense rando erections (sorry for sharing that, but sometimes ish is outta hand).

Either way keep massacring this ish brotha!
 
threeFs said:
Got any caber or prami? Should help with the bloat if it's prolactin related. Otherwise hella water and maybe an AI. I don't recall your test mg's
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I have not got any prami yet, I keep meaning too and have realy procrastinated. I have adex, and letro but havnt even used them yet as I normaly havnt shown signs of gyno. Last cycle I started the adex on week 4 so that's what I will prolly do, but that brings me to this ? Ive seen some guys aren't prone to gyno and never use an ai so Is it that big of a risk to go without until I show signs or should I start taking it just to be safe? Kind of up in the air on that one. None the less I have adex, and letro and will get prami if you think it will help with the bloating. And Im not even sure its bloating or just a lot of sugar and bad food I been eating lol Im running my test at 750mg and decca 400mg

SinX said:
straight beast mode up in here! Happy to read ppl killing it intensely after coming out of an intense surgery/injury like that; I can relate 110% and obviously we all rootin for ya.

as threef's mentioned prami/caber and even exemestane (eod) is gonna help tremendously with bloat; pretty much either adding or subtracting we're all kinda runnin the same cycle and I can easily say that these AI's are helping out with that and givin me some pretty intense rando erections (sorry for sharing that, but sometimes ish is outta hand).

Either way keep massacring this ish brotha!
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Thanks Brother! You know Im not going to leave anything back haha

Your fine brother. My wife has been loving me lately lol she actualy made the comment on last cycle and this one that she kind of like me being on because of the sex lol Good thing im going to stay on and cruise lol She might not leave me haha

ThreeF's mentioned that adex will help with bloat. I think im going to go ahead and hold off of the adex for a bit and see if any sides come about. I think that a lot of the bloat may go away also after I stop taking the dbol and since im off of the freakazol now too. Will see for sure. Thanks for following my friend. Loving the cycle so far. Will try not disappoint.
 
Well here's the thing, AI's won't help much with bloat if its caused by prolactin. They will only address E2. I actually just bought some liquid prami today since my pills may be bunk-mpr. I got a sweet bogo from maxim, cheaper than anywhere I compared to
Edit..IMO it's better to prevent a gyno/bloat situation than to repair one that's already started
 
StephenGarcia said:
Lmao dude cutting is taking it out of me. The big 3 are down but everything else is still strong. Very confusing times
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That is weird. Im sure your looking cut like a mofo bro. I will be excited after I bulk to cut but at same time scared to loose my size :(
 
subb'd brother, looking good in here!
 
threeFs said:
Well here's the thing, AI's won't help much with bloat if its caused by prolactin. They will only address E2. I actually just bought some liquid prami today since my pills may be bunk-mpr. I got a sweet bogo from maxim, cheaper than anywhere I compared to
Edit..IMO it's better to prevent a gyno/bloat situation than to repair one that's already started
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Yeah true and I was gonna say your edit but forgot to throw that in there; by preventing it and taking it from the beginning, thats one thing but if it already happens you're right it's not gonna do a whole lot to help gyno/bloat. Letro is pretty intense and could come with a few unwanted sides, but it'll definitely do the trick, hopefully it won't come down to that though.

I had an heart sinking feeling when I read what I put in bold; how long ago did you order from them? Unfortunately from what I've been reading around, dude got seized and shutdown. I actually had to bump my prami to 1mg not too long ago, because I felt in my left nipple a bit more, after upping that, taking the exem still eod and throwing in a bit of forma it's seem to dissipate quite a bit. I'm hoping my torem doesn't turn to be bunk, still sorry man sucks to get ish like that.
 
Msrider being proactive is the way to go man, don't wait till you get sides then try to combat them, prevent them from happening before they happen! If your not taking an AI currently while on dbol I'd almost guarantee the bloat is from high estrogen, dbol aromatizes pretty bad so I'd recommend getting on an AI pretty quick. Just my 0.2c bro. Other than that your killing it!
 
SinX said:
Yeah true and I was gonna say your edit but forgot to throw that in there; by preventing it and taking it from the beginning, thats one thing but if it already happens you're right it's not gonna do a whole lot to help gyno/bloat. Letro is pretty intense and could come with a few unwanted sides, but it'll definitely do the trick, hopefully it won't come down to that though. I had an heart sinking feeling when I read what I put in bold; how long ago did you order from them? Unfortunately from what I've been reading around, dude got seized and shutdown. I actually had to bump my prami to 1mg not too long ago, because I felt in my left nipple a bit more, after upping that, taking the exem still eod and throwing in a bit of forma it's seem to dissipate quite a bit. I'm hoping my torem doesn't turn to be bunk, still sorry man sucks to get ish like that.
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Yeah I heard that about MP. I got the first order in March. I reordered about 2 weeks ago and it says "pending" or whatever. Hopefully I will get a refund but I won't hold my breath, hence the order from Max. I was using MP pills at 1.5mg. Seems like alot but either it's underdosed or my rats have a high need. They don't have gyno, just bloat.
 
I went ahead and dosed 50mg today of dbol since im done with the freakazol. Pumps were intense on my shoulders, pumpx by lecheek contributed to this in a big way exspecialy stacked with the dbol :)

I will post my workout in a bit. Everyone is talking about my size, its a good feeling but it gets old aswell. Oh well, They havnt seen nothing yet.
 
Glad you liked the supersets bro. Let me know if you need help with another bodypart superset workout.
 
So Im still weighing in at 234 lbs that's +14. Im ok with it aslong as I keep getting compliments as I have been lol Never realy had ppl compliment me on my arms but that's been happening quite a bit lately. I just finished my last dose of 50mg dbol today.

I worked out Sunday and smashed my legs im not going to get into detail of my workout as I havnt much time, but will say I went ahead and tested out the leg press and it felt great. I worked up to about 600lbsx20 and it was very easy. I love doing high reps on leg day, I deff felt the burn but had no pain to my back doing leg press so I will prolly up the weight this coming leg day.

Today I smashed my arms again doing some super setting. I did work up to 125lb skull crushers for 6 reps and dropped setted that down too 75 lbs 15 reps and supersetted with another bicep ex and the pumps were massive. Anyways Im going to try and start pounding out some food here on out until I start recomping and then I will lower my calorie intake.

Also yesterday I surprised my two boys Alex and Isiah by taking them to silver dollar city amusement park in Branson. They were so excited and had no Idea. I actualy told them they had to help me work but on before we even left our town they guessed where we were going lol It was an hour away but deff something we needed to get away and have daddy and son day.

So far the cycle is going great. Strength is climbing back up and the test hasn't even started kicking in yet. I love being on cycle :)
 
msrider said:
So Im still weighing in at 234 lbs that's +14. Im ok with it aslong as I keep getting compliments as I have been lol Never realy had ppl compliment me on my arms but that's been happening quite a bit lately. I just finished my last dose of 50mg dbol today.

I worked out Sunday and smashed my legs im not going to get into detail of my workout as I havnt much time, but will say I went ahead and tested out the leg press and it felt great. I worked up to about 600lbsx20 and it was very easy. I love doing high reps on leg day, I deff felt the burn but had no pain to my back doing leg press so I will prolly up the weight this coming leg day.

Today I smashed my arms again doing some super setting. I did work up to 125lb skull crushers for 6 reps and dropped setted that down too 75 lbs 15 reps and supersetted with another bicep ex and the pumps were massive. Anyways Im going to try and start pounding out some food here on out until I start recomping and then I will lower my calorie intake.

Also yesterday I surprised my two boys Alex and Isiah by taking them to silver dollar city amusement park in Branson. They were so excited and had no Idea. I actualy told them they had to help me work but on before we even left our town they guessed where we were going lol It was an hour away but deff something we needed to get away and have daddy and son day.

So far the cycle is going great. Strength is climbing back up and the test hasn't even started kicking in yet. I love being on cycle :)
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Good shiat man! 14lbs? Thats sick! I found on leg presses that holding that deep part of the movement for a extra second really stretches and forces more blood into the quads. It also helps the separation in developing the teardrop. Try one set with toes in, one straight and one toes out. It works the total quad and burns like a mofo.

Glad you got that daddy son time. Best memories of my childhood were chillin with my dad. We still do it.. cept now we are both single and go out and hit on women or lift haha.
 
DangerDave said:
Good shiat man! 14lbs? Thats sick! I found on leg presses that holding that deep part of the movement for a extra second really stretches and forces more blood into the quads. It also helps the separation in developing the teardrop. Try one set with toes in, one straight and one toes out. It works the total quad and burns like a mofo.

Glad you got that daddy son time. Best memories of my childhood were chillin with my dad. We still do it.. cept now we are both single and go out and hit on women or lift haha.
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I will try that brother. Im just stoked there was no pain. before injury I was smashing over 1200lbsx16 I want to get back there :)

Father son time is awesome. My father never done anything with me when I was young so I make sure my boys never go through that. Haha that's funny you guys get to go whore around together lol Bet that's interesting

Airborne42 said:
14lbs is legit broha
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Thanks Bro! Im hoping to gain a lot more but at same time I think Im loosing fat as I had gained a lot of it during the layoff. I will start killing the food none the less.
 
Airborne42 said:
14lbs is legit broha
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This. You're doing awesome man, & sounds like as a dad too! I loved Silver Dollar City when I was a kid; really any amusement park is like christmas morning when you're young. Good to hear you guys had a great time.
 
I work in the land of broken families. Kids in 3-4-5-6 different foster homes, not a dad in sight. Most haven't ever met there dad. So props to you man, really. Family, especially a dad's role, is so vital to making well rounded kids. (Sorry to offend anyone who was raised without a dad!!)

Another thing, I'm impressed with your comeback!! It takes a brave man to face your nemesis. I know your goals may seem like somebody else achieved them, but it was you. And you will get back there if you're in tune with your mind-body connection.
 
Hyde said:
This. You're doing awesome man, & sounds like as a dad too! I loved Silver Dollar City when I was a kid; really any amusement park is like christmas morning when you're young. Good to hear you guys had a great time.
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Thanks Brotha! Your in the St. Louis area aren't you? Its just like Christmas too the little guys, hell me too lol My middle child is having his bday at white water this weekend so theres going to be more fun times.

threeFs said:
I work in the land of broken families. Kids in 3-4-5-6 different foster homes, not a dad in sight. Most haven't ever met there dad. So props to you man, really. Family, especially a dad's role, is so vital to making well rounded kids. (Sorry to offend anyone who was raised without a dad!!)
Thanks Homi! I once was on my way to not being around my children when I was doping before my first boy was born. Just lucky enough to see that death was near or living inside a prison so I made the choice to be what my father wasn't for me. Best choice I ever made, my greatest accomplishment actualy. You have to have a tough job, kutos to you brother for helping those families.

Another thing, I'm impressed with your comeback!! It takes a brave man to face your nemesis. I know your goals may seem like somebody else achieved them, but it was you. And you will get back there if you're in tune with your mind-body connection.
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Thanks! Im impressed so far aswell. I know Im working my ass off and its showing. Ive always done everything in life one way and that's All Out. Full Throttle haha and Never backing down from any obstacle.

mustang0341 said:
No doubt!
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Thanks! We be trying to make them gains
 
Day 31
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Im off the dbol and the freakazol. I don't know if it is because Ive been off it for a couple days but Im seeing my abs coming out a bit more upon waking. I know when I start the winny ****s going to get crazy as Im seeing a **** ton of size from the traps, shoulders and the lats and chest. I put on a shirt today that I havnt wore in a bit and **** it is tight as a mutha, love getting beefed up haha

Today I did shoulders and pushed myself a bit more with adding more weight and put a lot of burn on the shoulders, had to be careful at the end as my left shoulder was realy burning and Ive had trouble with it in the past but for the most part it was just adding a lot more weight than ive been doing since my comeback.

smith mach. shoulder press:
105x12
155x10
155x10
195x6 its been awhile since doing this much. It felt good. And the back is feeling amazing.

upright rows smith mach.:
105x10x3sets

smith mach. rear shrugs:
105x12
195x10
195x10
245x10

smith mach. front shrugs:
same as rear #'s

db front shoulder raises:
30x10
40x10
50x6 felt the burn, a lot more than ive done in months. Havnt realy felt the strength increases yet so this should climb a lot once the test and decca kick in, woop woop. none the less loved the burn

cable lateral raises:
20x10
30x10

ran out of time but my shoulders were torched. I actualy was late opening the store up but due to the thunder and lightning and **** ton of rain I new it be ok to run over a bit :) Just don't tell my father n law haha

My traps are getting crazy again and its just been a month. I will say there has been a bit more aggression In the weight room but nothing I spill out towards anyone its almost a fun aggression. I like doing crazy **** when I work out and talk a bit to myself and its fun watching the elders and some of my buddies looking at me like im a freak but hey that's what I want to be. A Freak hahaha
 
You know it, good ole St. Lou...if you don't like the weather, wait an hour - & if you're enjoying it, prepare for disappointment coming soon lol

Gotta love those cycle traps....they'll be bigger than before cycle when you come off, but they're never so big as when you're on the bottle. Gettin' king kong :spankme:
 
Hyde said:
You know it, good ole St. Lou...if you don't like the weather, wait an hour - & if you're enjoying it, prepare for disappointment coming soon lol

Gotta love those cycle traps....they'll be bigger than before cycle when you come off, but they're never so big as when you're on the bottle. Gettin' king kong :spankme:
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Hell yeah I love St. Louis. We be coming up for a Cards game soon. I'm about 3.5 hrs away near the Arkansas border.

I love the traps durring cycle, since I'm not coming off and am going to cruise at 250 mg test will they loose there size? I'm betting they may but should stay pretty big. My bros are loving the traps haha
 
msrider said:
Hell yeah I love St. Louis. We be coming up for a Cards game soon. I'm about 3.5 hrs away near the Arkansas border.

I love the traps durring cycle, since I'm not coming off and am going to cruise at 250 mg test will they loose there size? I'm betting they may but should stay pretty big. My bros are loving the traps haha
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I noticed big time that my traps are dose dependent in cycle. 250mg a week traps are much smaller than a gram.
 
superbeast668 said:
I noticed big time that my traps are dose dependent in cycle. 250mg a week traps are much smaller than a gram.
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Don't tell me that lol I have large traps in general so I'm hoping 250 will help or I may have to cruise a little higher. What's a good recommended cruise dose bro?
 
Dude, my low back and hams are so tight, I can barely put on my shoes. My squat PR the other day really did a number on my lumbar. Is this what you feel like after your surgery? It sucks
 
msrider said:
Don't tell me that lol I have large traps in general so I'm hoping 250 will help or I may have to cruise a little higher. What's a good recommended cruise dose bro?
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I cruise between 300-600 now. Around 450 is were I feel the best and the most "normal" like as if I wasnt on test. I hold gains very well at 450 any lower and I seem to lose strength and some weight. But I am way over what my body is naturally intended to carry.
 
threeFs said:
Dude, my low back and hams are so tight, I can barely put on my shoes. My squat PR the other day really did a number on my lumbar. Is this what you feel like after your surgery? It sucks
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Mine was more than tight lol As soon as I went down I felt the rupture instantly and stupid me repped it out because ppl were watching and barely made it over to the wife and said lets go Im done haha Becareful for sure on those heavy squats they will **** you up. I cringe when I see ppl squat now and it use to be my fave :( Hope you get to feeling better. And congrats on the PR bro.

DangerDave said:
I cruise between 300-600 now. Around 450 is were I feel the best and the most "normal" like as if I wasnt on test. I hold gains very well at 450 any lower and I seem to lose strength and some weight. But I am way over what my body is naturally intended to carry.
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I may see how 250 does and if I loose a lot of size or strength I will up it. Im starting to feel the weights getting light and Im totally growing now. I weighed in at 238.2 today and now Im going to start punishing the food and start making them gains
 
Day 32 I think :)
Weight 238.2 lbs +18.2

Its starting to get crazy. I still have yet to feel the test kick in full throttle and the strength is going crazy. Everyone is watching me and commenting on my size. I love it haha! Im half way through week 5 and 10 more weeks to go, Im thinking im going to be the biggest guy in my gym when this is all over. Taking no prisoners baby. I crushed my back today on several lifts Iwas able to use the whole stack of cable weights, didn't exspect that so fast. Anyway sorry for bragging I just never thought I would overcome my back injury.

Back Day
bb bent over rows:
135x12
155x10
185x10
185x10

WG pull downs:
230x12
250x10
290x12 this was easy and just 2 weeks ago 230 was difficult haha

cg cable rows:
130x10
150x10
150x10
190x5 I actualy tried this the 3rd set but it was too much so I pumped out the 150 x10

db row:
80x10
100x10
100x10 The first week I started this cycle 60lbers were hurting my back, NO PAIN TODAY!

WG pull ups:
BWx10
BWx10
BWx10 First week on cycle I did 3 sets of 4 lol and Im 18 lbs heavier now :)

I also did some single arm back rows with the cable mach but I havnt a clute how much weight I did. I may start writing **** down as I start to do more weight and excercises. Tomorrow I will smash my legs and am actualy looking forward to it since I know now I can punish the leg press again haha
 
CSA2179 mentioned he cruises at 300mg, but it's UGL keep in mind so if you have pharm grade you could prob get by with less for the same effect. We had a convo where he mentioned another guy on here cruising on 100mg & 200mg of Tren Hex....now that'd be interesting! I'm seeing this chick right now that's in amateur MMA, & she has a coach that I believe cruises Tren as well.
 
Hyde said:
CSA2179 mentioned he cruises at 300mg, but it's UGL keep in mind so if you have pharm grade you could prob get by with less for the same effect. We had a convo where he mentioned another guy on here cruising on 100mg & 200mg of Tren Hex....now that'd be interesting! I'm seeing this chick right now that's in amateur MMA, & she has a coach that I believe cruises Tren as well.
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I use UGL. I don't know what I will cruise at I may just start 250 mg and jump it up to 400. I havnt yet tried tren but plan on it my next blast :) I think I will just cruise using test lol Im not man enough to cruise with tren haha
 
msrider said:
Mine was more than tight lol As soon as I went down I felt the rupture instantly and stupid me repped it out because ppl were watching and barely made it over to the wife and said lets go Im done haha Becareful for sure on those heavy squats they will **** you up. I cringe when I see ppl squat now and it use to be my fave :( Hope you get to feeling better. And congrats on the PR bro.
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Whoa. I don't really know what rupturing a disc entails but it sounds like Satan pissing fire up your pee hole.
Anyhow, it takes giant coglioni to get back at it. So many people would take a victim standpoint and quit forever. I hate the gd victim mentality! You're a champion Rider.
 
threeFs said:
Whoa. I don't really know what rupturing a disc entails but it sounds like Satan pissing fire up your pee hole.
Anyhow, it takes giant coglioni to get back at it. So many people would take a victim standpoint and quit forever. I hate the gd victim mentality! You're a champion Rider.
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I appreciate the kind words Brother! The ruptured disc was realy painful, ate pain pills like they were skittles for four months. Other than that I lifted while having the pain for awhile then I had to get something done, just glad I did have surgery best thing I ever did.
 
superbeast668 said:
I noticed big time that my traps are dose dependent in cycle. 250mg a week traps are much smaller than a gram.
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i already miss my traps :(

msrider said:
I appreciate the kind words Brother! The ruptured disc was realy painful, ate pain pills like they were skittles for four months. Other than that I lifted while having the pain for awhile then I had to get something done, just glad I did have surgery best thing I ever did.
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hope i don't have to follow that route, I have degenerative disk disease in L4,L5 and S1. I just stay away from heavy deads and don't squat at all anymore.
 
mustang0341 said:
i already miss my traps :(

hope i don't have to follow that route, I have degenerative disk disease in L4,L5 and S1. I just stay away from heavy deads and don't squat at all anymore.
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You have to modify! I think when people lose the mind/body connection they run into trouble
 
Had an amazing leg day. I will post my workout in a bit, as im tired now and my legs are torched haha
 
threeFs said:
If anything like my gym, there was no waiting for anything leg-related
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Lol. I love that shyt. Dudes be curling weights every damn time I walk in there. I don't think I've even done a real direct work arm day in about 3 months. My totals are 1400-1500 but you won't catch me doing a bicep curl to save my life
 
Here are my first pics just a month after cycle started. My wife and I barely see each other so I had to take these myself so sorry if they are not very good.

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Damn man! Just went back and looked at your first pics again pretty huge difference! You are killin it, gotta give you a lot of props for coming off a back injury and goin at it like this you are a bad a$$ man.
 
SuperPro said:
Damn man! Just went back and looked at your first pics again pretty huge difference! You are killin it, gotta give you a lot of props for coming off a back injury and goin at it like this you are a bad a$$ man.
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His wallet is the one that says Bad Motherf?cker on it
 
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