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1st Test E Cycle (gyno prone)

steven48

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My stats: 6'1
220lbs
~11-12% bf
23 yo

By gyno prone, I mean I developed gyno during puberty. I ran halodrol and epistane cycles without any aggravation of the gyno between the age of 18-20. I Had my gynecomastia removed at 21. My doc said he removed all the nodules but I'm kinda skeptical since I've read its impossible to remove all of it without con-caving the areola. Been lifting two years without anything and want to attempt a cycle of test E. I'm doing keto right now trying to get down to 10% bf or lower before beginning my cycle. So here we go.

12 week Cycle: Test E 250 2x week (monday AM, Thursday PM)
Adex .5 ed

4 week PCT: Nolvadex 40 40 20 20

I'm also gonna have some letro on hand just in case of serious flare up. Would it be smart to run a low dose of nolvadex (5-10) during the cycle on top of the adex. I seriously want to cover all my bases, even if that means spending a couple extra $$$.
 
steven48 said:
My stats: 6'1
220lbs
~11-12% bf
23 yo

By gyno prone, I mean I developed gyno during puberty. I ran halodrol and epistane cycles without any aggravation of the gyno between the age of 18-20. I Had my gynecomastia removed at 21. My doc said he removed all the nodules but I'm kinda skeptical since I've read its impossible to remove all of it without con-caving the areola. Been lifting two years without anything and want to attempt a cycle of test E. I'm doing keto right now trying to get down to 10% bf or lower before beginning my cycle. So here we go.

12 week Cycle: Test E 250 2x week (monday AM, Thursday PM)
Adex .5 ed

4 week PCT: Nolvadex 40 40 20 20

I'm also gonna have some letro on hand just in case of serious flare up. Would it be smart to run a low dose of nolvadex (5-10) during the cycle on top of the adex. I seriously want to cover all my bases, even if that means spending a couple extra $$$.
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I think you should wait another year, but you wont listen anyway lol so here we go.

1.YOU NEED HCG! Some will tell you no need for your cycle, but it will keep your nuts alive and help your recovery tremendously. Starting week 4 250 iu sub q every other day.
2. No need for nolva on cycle unless it starts to flare.
Adex will be fine at eod, not ed. Dont crash your estro. Libido might drop
3. Drop the dose. At your age you dont need 500 mg ew to grow, especially since its your first cycle. Shoot for 350. If you have a multi use vial should be no problem. Trust me youll grow like a weed.
4. Pct starts 13 to 14 days after last inject. Go for nolva and clomid. Better safe than sorry.

Good luck man, post any more questions you might have.
 
If it were me in your position i would run a low dose AI from day 1. At about week 4 i'd bump it up to a full dose daily. If estrogen gets crushed i'd drop the dosage a bit but otherwise run said AI constantly. No need to gamble.
 
Thanks for the great info. If you recommend waiting another year ill hold off six months when I turn 24. I do have one more question. My source is selling test e super cheap next week and I wanna load up. How long will it stay good for?
 
steven48 said:
My source is selling test e super cheap next week and I wanna load up. How long will it stay good for?
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Gear should stay good for quite some time. Even if you decide to wait 6 months until you turn 24, it'll be fine. Some people use gear a year or more past the exp date without issue. I doubt the exp date on your test would even be any less than a year from now. Keep it out of direct light, and don't keep it in your bathroom cabinet (steam and what not).

Good luck with your cycle man.

Kas
 
steven48 said:
Thanks for the great info. If you recommend waiting another year ill hold off six months when I turn 24. I do have one more question. My source is selling test e super cheap next week and I wanna load up. How long will it stay good for?
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Thats very smart man, you wont regret your decision! Testosterone in oil is incredibly stable,
Should be good for years. Like the other dude just said, keep it out of direct light and heat/moisture etc.
 
steven48 said:
Thanks for the great info. If you recommend waiting another year ill hold off six months when I turn 24. I do have one more question. My source is selling test e super cheap next week and I wanna load up. How long will it stay good for?
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I don't really see a point in waiting. It won't change the end result of your operation.

Yes if there's a sale, buy it. Keep in fridge. Nice to spend less now on a cycle you'll run in the future.
 
steven48 said:
My stats: 6'1
220lbs
~11-12% bf
23 yo

Been lifting two years without anything and want to attempt a cycle of test E.
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If you've been lifting two years and are at 6'1 220lbs 11-12% BF without taking anything you should consider a career in professional bodybuilding. Arnold, at 6'2", would hit the stage 225-235lbs and his on-stage bodyfat was nowhere near the guys of today. Probably 6-8%.

o_0
 
trn450 said:
If you've been lifting two years and are at 6'1 220lbs 11-12% BF without taking anything you should consider a career in professional bodybuilding. Arnold, at 6'2", would hit the stage 225-235lbs and his on-stage bodyfat was nowhere near the guys of today. Probably 6-8%.

o_0
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I mean I ran some halodrol and Epi years ago before but nothing intense. One of my friends tried getting me into bodybuilding when I was 19 but I told him no (had gyno at the time). Now it's something I think I'd like to do. I think I'm gonna use this summer to cut using keto and get down into the single digits and clean bulk in the fall till I turn 24.
 
steven48 said:
I mean I ran some halodrol and Epi years ago before but nothing intense. One of my friends tried getting me into bodybuilding when I was 19 but I told him no (had gyno at the time). Now it's something I think I'd like to do. I think I'm gonna use this summer to cut using keto and get down into the single digits and clean bulk in the fall till I turn 24.
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Go for it. If you're practically Arnolds size after 2 mostly natural years, you'll be caught up to Phil Heath in few more. Lol
 
bigbb123 said:
I think you should wait another year, but you wont listen anyway lol so here we go.

1.YOU NEED HCG! Some will tell you no need for your cycle, but it will keep your nuts alive and help your recovery tremendously. Starting week 4 250 iu sub q every other day.
2. No need for nolva on cycle unless it starts to flare.
Adex will be fine at eod, not ed. Dont crash your estro. Libido might drop
3. Drop the dose. At your age you dont need 500 mg ew to grow, especially since its your first cycle. Shoot for 350. If you have a multi use vial should be no problem. Trust me youll grow like a weed.
4. Pct starts 13 to 14 days after last inject. Go for nolva and clomid. Better safe than sorry.

Good luck man, post any more questions you might have.
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1. Wrong hcg is more harm than good. My blood results look the same with or without hcg
2. Wrong again. You dose AI as needed. If you take .25mg eod adex and your nips start swelling in the middle of doses you take more.
Nolva gets used only in the event you develop gyno during a cycle
3. 350?! It's probably ugl gear. His 500 will be closer to 350 in reality. Take 500. Hell take a 750. If you'll grow like a weed on 350 you'll be a freak doubling down
4. No gripes. Few week break is needed to clear the esters. I pop clomids 50mg eod leading up to that. My balls definitely fill out quicker.

Rhadam said:
If it were me in your position i would run a low dose AI from day 1. At about week 4 i'd bump it up to a full dose daily. If estrogen gets crushed i'd drop the dosage a bit but otherwise run said AI constantly. No need to gamble.
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Rhadam said:
I don't really see a point in waiting. It won't change the end result of your operation.

Yes if there's a sale, buy it. Keep in fridge. Nice to spend less now on a cycle you'll run in the future.
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Rhadam is a smart dude listen to him

trn450 said:
If you've been lifting two years and are at 6'1 220lbs 11-12% BF without taking anything you should consider a career in professional bodybuilding. Arnold, at 6'2", would hit the stage 225-235lbs and his on-stage bodyfat was nowhere near the guys of today. Probably 6-8%.

o_0
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Yup if you made results like that in two years get on the good stuff now and competing could happen if you've got the genetics/aesthetics
 
superbeast668 said:
1. Wrong hcg is more harm than good. My blood results look the same with or without hcg
2. Wrong again. You dose AI as needed. If you take .25mg eod adex and your nips start swelling in the middle of doses you take more.
Nolva gets used only in the event you develop gyno during a cycle
3. 350?! It's probably ugl gear. His 500 will be closer to 350 in reality. Take 500. Hell take a 750. If you'll grow like a weed on 350 you'll be a freak doubling down
4. No gripes. Few week break is needed to clear the esters. I pop clomids 50mg eod leading up to that. My balls definitely fill out quicker.




Rhadam is a smart dude listen to him



Yup if you made results like that in two years get on the good stuff now and competing could happen if you've got the genetics/aesthetics
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1. How do you figure HCG is more harm than good? Whats your reasoning behind this? Just that it had no effect on you?
2. Why risk aromitization, there is no harm in running an AI at a steady dose throughout cycle, rather than waiting till you start feeling estro sides? For sure estrogen is important for gains and a healthy libido, and ofcourse crashing it with an AI is counterproductive, but I for one think running low dose AI is smart and effective. Theres a reason alot of TRT doctors follow this protocol.
3. Can disagree with you on that, your probably right, UG gear is usually either over or underdosed, if your going on cycle might as well use 500 if you cant really be sure what your dosing anyway. Just get pharm grade if you canShift+R improves the quality of this image. Shift+A improves the quality of all images on this page.
 
superbeast668 said:
1. Wrong hcg is more harm than good. My blood results look the same with or without hcg
2. Wrong again. You dose AI as needed. If you take .25mg eod adex and your nips start swelling in the middle of doses you take more.
Nolva gets used only in the event you develop gyno during a cycle
3. 350?! It's probably ugl gear. His 500 will be closer to 350 in reality. Take 500. Hell take a 750. If you'll grow like a weed on 350 you'll be a freak doubling down
4. No gripes. Few week break is needed to clear the esters. I pop clomids 50mg eod leading up to that. My balls definitely fill out quicker.




Rhadam is a smart dude listen to him



Yup if you made results like that in two years get on the good stuff now and competing could happen if you've got the genetics/aesthetics
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And def dont double down, I think superbeast was kidding, but if this is your first cycle use an average dose to gauge your bodys response to sides, growth, etc..
 
bigbb123 said:
And def dont double down, I think superbeast was kidding, but if this is your first cycle use an average dose to gauge your bodys response to sides, growth, etc..
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Not in the least. 750 isn't much more than 500. Sides are the same. Growth is slightly more. I wouldn't recommend doubling down to a gram. That gets dicey.
 
superbeast668 said:
Not in the least. 750 isn't much more than 500. Sides are the same. Growth is slightly more. I wouldn't recommend doubling down to a gram. That gets dicey.
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Your a crazy Mofo superbeast lol. Have you ever gone up to a gram a week, i cant even imagine how awesome or terrible that must feel.
 
bigbb123 said:
Your a crazy Mofo superbeast lol. Have you ever gone up to a gram a week, i cant even imagine how awesome or terrible that must feel.
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I have. I didn't care much for it. Aromatization was a bitch. It was like instant gyno. 1mg letro to keep it at bay.

I missed your first post. Lets just leave it at I think we were getting to saying the same thing with the ai and I may have let my ego start talking. I still don't like hcg. It doesn't do anything nolva and clomid don't do.
 
superbeast668 said:
I have. I didn't care much for it. Aromatization was a bitch. It was like instant gyno. 1mg letro to keep it at bay.

I missed your first post. Lets just leave it at I think we were getting to saying the same thing with the ai and I may have let my ego start talking. I still don't like hcg. It doesn't do anything nolva and clomid don't do.
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I'm not an hcg fan either. Especially for someone who is gyno prone.
 
Appreciate the responses. I think ill just leave the HCG out. I'm ordering my test next week it's 50% off normal price.
 
bigbb123 said:
4. Pct starts 13 to 14 days after last inject. Go for nolva and clomid. Better safe than sorry.

Good luck man, post any more questions you might have.
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40/40/20/20 for nolvadex and 50/50/50/50 for clomid. Do I start them on the same day and can I pop them both at once?
 
steven48 said:
Appreciate the responses. I think ill just leave the HCG out. I'm ordering my test next week it's 50% off normal price.
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Do so at your own risk. There is a reason why many TRT doctors perscribe HCG along with test replacement, it works. Sure some will disagree, but they have no science or evidence to prove it does not work. There is an overwhelming body of both anecdotal and clinical data to support it and thus warrant the use of the drug. HCG will make your recovery far smoother. Admittedly tho, it may very well cause gyno to flare, but i dont see this happening with proper use of an AI.
 
bigbb123 said:
Do so at your own risk. There is a reason why many TRT doctors perscribe HCG along with test replacement, it works. Sure some will disagree, but they have no science or evidence to prove it does not work. There is an overwhelming body of both anecdotal and clinical data to support it and thus warrant the use of the drug. HCG will make your recovery far smoother. Admittedly tho, it may very well cause gyno to flare, but i dont see this happening with proper use of an AI.
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Gotcha ill do some more research on my own and see what I come up with since there seems to be conflicting opinions.
 
Everything I've read up on shows HCG being beneficial. I think I'd be okay doing 125-250 twice a week. According to what I read hcg won't start causing estrogen/prolactin issues till you go over 1000. Even if I experience sides at 250 I can just up my adex dosage and drop the hcg dosage down.
 
steven48 said:
Everything I've read up on shows HCG being beneficial. I think I'd be okay doing 125-250 twice a week. According to what I read hcg won't start causing estrogen/prolactin issues till you go over 1000. Even if I experience sides at 250 I can just up my adex dosage and drop the hcg dosage down.
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Very smart desicion man. Very smart, youl will be fine going with 250 iu twice per week or 250 EOD. Take it the night before your test injection. Sides will be minimal.
 
Just started my test cycle today. Quick question if anyone could help me out. Do I wait 3-4 weeks to start my hcg or should I just start now. Also i took my adex today same day as my first injection. Gonna do it eod. Is that cool? Was pretty nervous about pinning myself for the first time but I did my glute and it was easy as hell. Doing a bulk 410g protein 305g carbs every day. Mixing in some veggies, olive oil and my fish oil. Thanks again for the info guys
 
steven48 said:
Just started my test cycle today. Quick question if anyone could help me out. Do I wait 3-4 weeks to start my hcg or should I just start now. Also i took my adex today same day as my first injection. Gonna do it eod. Is that cool? Was pretty nervous about pinning myself for the first time but I did my glute and it was easy as hell. Doing a bulk 410g protein 305g carbs every day. Mixing in some veggies, olive oil and my fish oil. Thanks again for the info guys
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I have never done hgc so I can't comment on that but getting ready to start my adex in two weeks unless I get a flare up before then. I am dosing .25mg eod and running similar cycle with test e.
 
pro520roost said:
I have never done hgc so I can't comment on that but getting ready to start my adex in two weeks unless I get a flare up before then. I am dosing .25mg eod and running similar cycle with test e.
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Same here but I started my adex right away. U should research hcg seems to really help with recovery. Most things I've read say you start around week 4 with hcg I just wanted other opinions
 
steven48 said:
Same here but I started my adex right away. U should research hcg seems to really help with recovery. Most things I've read say you start around week 4 with hcg I just wanted other opinions
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I've researched some I think u are right around week 4 and should help with recovery. You going to log your cycle?
 
pro520roost said:
I've researched some I think u are right around week 4 and should help with recovery. You going to log your cycle?
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i won't be doing my log during but I am taking records of every workout, my weight and basic measurements. My diet is going to be fairly simple and consistent. So yeah ill post up a finished log at the end. Take a before and after photos
 
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