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Low Testosterone

Cable100k

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I recently had two labs taken about a month apart. Both labs I prepared for in the same way. I am 21 years old. Workout 4x/wk and have a solid diet.
My first lab was -
TOTAL TEST 555ng/dl (Range 350-1100)
FREE TEST: 16.9pg/ml (9.3 - 26 pg/ml)

My second lab was -
Total test: 467 ng/dl
Free Test: 12.1 pg/ml

Are these levels terrible? I feel they are pretty bad... opinions?
 
They are average/decent. 2-300's is really poor, and 700-800's are optimal/high.....900-1000 is "perfect" for people like us :D

probably low for your age though.
 
Cable100k said:
I recently had two labs taken about a month apart. Both labs I prepared for in the same way. I am 21 years old. Workout 4x/wk and have a solid diet.
My first lab was -
TOTAL TEST 555ng/dl (Range 350-1100)
FREE TEST: 16.9pg/ml (9.3 - 26 pg/ml)

My second lab was -
Total test: 467 ng/dl
Free Test: 12.1 pg/ml

Are these levels terrible? I feel they are pretty bad... opinions?
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what happened first? feeling terrible then bloods? or getting bloods, seeing the number, then feeling "terrible?"
 
well they arnt bad enough to get prescribed test if thats what youre aiming for, kinda sucks they arnt optimal though huh. just gonna have to deal with the hand youve been delt
 
I have been having low energy around 2-3 in the afternoon for about 2 years now. Just realized it may be my Testosterone. And then I got them checked. I also have a very low sex drive.
 
there's more to the story that we don't see...diet, sleep habits, stress, finances, exercise, etc. a 21 year old with 555ng test wouldn't get testosterone from any doc i've ever been to
 
Cable100k said:
I do have Crohn's disease. And am on Immune suppressant drugs and antibiotics.
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I was on antibiotics for acne (wtf!) for about 2 years. It had massive negative effects on my body that I may never recover from completely. How long are you on them? You need to compensate with probiotics when you come off the anti's. And immune suppressants would probably have some powerful effects on your lethargy/sex drive/quality of sleep
 
I don't see anything wrong with that number. We'd all love natural test around 800 or so but truth is it just doesn't work that way
 
^this

I've been to the doc for similar symptoms and received blood work back with lower scores than you have (mid 300's) and they didn't offer me any help. Just sort of sent me on my way
 
ChefJoey said:
I don't see anything wrong with that number. We'd all love natural test around 800 or so but truth is it just doesn't work that way
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Well im the type of MFer that's gonna MAKE IT that way....one way or the other. :D
 
Get on DAA and Erase or Clomid 25mg a day then test your levels. You probably don't really need either but if seeing that number go up will make you feel better either of these should work.

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Cable100k said:
I have been on antibiotics since I was 8 non stop. So 13 years.
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I think that just about all of these goddamn prescriptions lower your test #'s. I admit to having cycled for 2-3 years when I was 31-33 years old and also used PH's off and on since WAY back (like when they first came out...late 90's or so???) but I know my test levels should not have been chronically low at the the very low level they were at. I hadn't done any PH or DS or AAS in 8 years....then did a few PH/DS cycles the past few years (epi, PP stuff, a few other things..nothing too major), and I did clomid PCT with the epi and anything suppressive. I swear its my Rx I take, the beta blocker and a BP med. But hey I could be wrong. Even my mother, who has no earthly idea about any of this type stuff, asked me if I thought the Rx were the reason my test level was low when I mentioned to her that it was the only flagged item on my blood test.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I think that just about all of these goddamn prescriptions lower your test #'s. I admit to having cycled for 2-3 years when I was 31-33 years old and also used PH's off and on since WAY back (like when they first came out...late 90's or so???) but I know my test levels should not have been chronically low at the the very low level they were at. I hadn't done any PH or DS or AAS in 8 years....then did a few PH/DS cycles the past few years (epi, PP stuff, a few other things..nothing too major), and I did clomid PCT with the epi and anything suppressive. I swear its my Rx I take, the beta blocker and a BP med. But hey I could be wrong. Even my mother, who has no earthly idea about any of this type stuff, asked me if I thought the Rx were the reason my test level was low when I mentioned to her that it was the only flagged item on my blood test.
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Well you might not be all that wrong.
Add .gov to that url to see the study.


ncbi.nlm.nihgov/pubmed/2900627

And really 150 to post a freaking link to a study is insane add an exception for ncbi....
 
harbonah said:
Well you might not be all that wrong.
Add .gov to that url to see the study.


ncbi.nlm.nihgov/pubmed/2900627

And really 150 to post a freaking link to a study is insane add an exception for ncbi....
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I guess ill just post the whole Abstract since I cant link...

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Beta-blocker effects on sexual function in normal males.[/h]
[h=3]Abstract[/h]Among the antihypertensives currently in use, the sympatholytic drugs (e.g., central alpha-agonists, beta-blockers) and diuretics are most commonly associated with sexual side effects. Previous reports of sexual dysfunction associated with these drugs have been based entirely on retrospective and self-report data. This is the first study to date to investigate beta-blocker effects on sexual function by means of physiological (NPT), subjective, and hormonal measures. Four beta-blockers with different ancillary properties (atenolol, metoprolol, pindolol, propranolol) were evaluated in a placebo-controlled, double-blind, Latin-square design. Thirty healthy male volunteers received, in counterbalanced order, each of the four drugs and 1 week of placebo testing. Significant drug effects on both total and free testosterone were found during treatment with all four beta-blockers, although it appeared that the nonselective drugs (pindolol, propranolol) were associated with the greatest reduction in testosterone. No significant effects were found on measures of cortisol or cholesterol. Analysis of NPT and self-report data yielded inconclusive results, perhaps due to the confounding effects of sleep disruption and the brief duration of treatment in this study. Inspection of individual records, however, suggested that some subjects may be especially vulnerable to sexual dysfunction in association with propranolol.



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harbonah said:
Well you might not be all that wrong.
Add .gov to that url to see the study.


ncbi.nlm.nihgov/pubmed/2900627

And really 150 to post a freaking link to a study is insane add an exception for ncbi....
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yeah I just now got to 150 posts, I had several links to post (AM links to AM threads mind you....add another exception for AM threads!) and I couldn't due to this rule. It is in place to stop spammers from posting links when they have brand new accounts....somehow we got a spammer posting links in anti-aging tonight with 1 post....but the regular members can't....go figure.
 
Yeah see I'm on carvedilol which is non-selective (which this report deems the worst of the two types). Meanwhile mine is SPECIFICALLY prescribed for my heart, lowering my heart rate etc. So why the F doesn't he have me on a selective? for christ sakes, I wish I knew this before. I am going to have to call him up and ask WTF is going on here.
 
I've taken a daa+erase cycle. Got pre and psot bloods. Went from 555ng/dl total to 467ng/dl total after the cycle. So Lh and estrogen are not the problem...
 
Cable100k said:
I've taken a daa+erase cycle. Got pre and psot bloods. Went from 555ng/dl total to 467ng/dl total after the cycle. So Lh and estrogen are not the problem...
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You could just stay on I mean that blood work was after you stopped right?

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The first blood 555ng/dl was before the daa+erase cycle. Second bloods 467ng/dl was on the last day of the cycle. So if the daa and erase were helping it would have shown. But it wasn't. :/
 
Cable100k said:
The first blood 555ng/dl was before the daa+erase cycle. Second bloods 467ng/dl was on the last day of the cycle. So if the daa and erase were helping it would have shown. But it wasn't. :/
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Careful, I've mentioned how I thought daa was bunk as well and it ruffled lotsa feathers. Didn't do squat for my test levels either.
 
threeFs said:
Careful, I've mentioned how I thought daa was bunk as well and it ruffled lotsa feathers. Didn't do squat for my test levels either.
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Yeah bro. Mine went lower haha. And so did my free test. I was suprised the erase didn't help raise either.
 
Cable100k said:
The first blood 555ng/dl was before the daa+erase cycle. Second bloods 467ng/dl was on the last day of the cycle. So if the daa and erase were helping it would have shown. But it wasn't. :/
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Very odd there are many things that effect your test levels for instance cut out all fats on a diet then go get you levels tested sometime...but as I say often anything that can cause hormonal change can cause unexpected results as everyone really does react uniquely.

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harbonah said:
Very odd there are many things that effect your test levels for instance cut out all fats on a diet then go get you levels tested sometime...but as I say often anything that can cause hormonal change can cause unexpected results as everyone really does react uniquely.

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Oh and as I said earlier clomid 25mg as it is now being used for TRT.
The good thing is you are ahead of a lot if guys who don't get blood work just stay on top of it and find out what works best for you.

Still stumped though as the erase should have raised your test like every other AI Hell I have bloods that show it works to lower estro at least at TRT doses.

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harbonah said:
Oh and as I said earlier clomid 25mg as it is now being used for TRT.
The good thing is you are ahead of a lot if guys who don't get blood work just stay on top of it and find out what works best for you.

Still stumped though as the erase should have raised your test like every other AI Hell I have bloods that show it works to lower estro at least at TRT doses.

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What dosage are you talking about?
 
threeFs said:
Careful, I've mentioned how I thought daa was bunk as well and it ruffled lotsa feathers. Didn't do squat for my test levels either.
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Don't dare tell people on here anything negative about DAA unless you want some dude screaming at you about how it raised his test levels 500points and that you are an idiot. LOL I posted how it actually lowered my test levels when I was looking for options before TRT and you'd think I told someone their mom was ugly.
 
kisaj said:
Don't dare tell people on here anything negative about DAA unless you want some dude screaming at you about how it raised his test levels 500points and that you are an idiot. LOL I posted how it actually lowered my test levels when I was looking for options before TRT and you'd think I told someone their mom was ugly.
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It did lower mine hahah. 555 to 467. I ran a month cycle with Erase and sodium daa from aI sports. Really dissapointed.
 
kisaj said:
Don't dare tell people on here anything negative about DAA unless you want some dude screaming at you about how it raised his test levels 500points and that you are an idiot. LOL I posted how it actually lowered my test levels when I was looking for options before TRT and you'd think I told someone their mom was ugly.
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Hilarious. Glad I don't stand alone. And there's plenty of rat studies to show we're both wrong...
 
I felt like DAA did nothing for my natural test and actually wreaked havoc with estrogen and/or prolactin. I stated it on here and didn't get the worst reaction, but they were not happy. Some demanded it raised test, or didn't raise prolactin....but for the most part they admitted that you need to take an arsenal of ancillaries with it for estrogen and prolactin....and then it may not even raise your test levels after all that.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I felt like DAA did nothing for my natural test and actually wreaked havoc with estrogen and/or prolactin. I stated it on here and didn't get the worst reaction, but they were not happy. Some demanded it raised test, or didn't raise prolactin....but for the most part they admitted that you need to take an arsenal of ancillaries with it for estrogen and prolactin....and then it may not even raise your test levels after all that.
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If on cycle like havoc DAA will do almost nothing I would say that is a waste of money to run on cycle.

Also it makes sense that it would cause sides of estro when taking a dry hormone like ha havoc.

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threeFs said:
Hilarious. Glad I don't stand alone. And there's plenty of rat studies to show we're both wrong...
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This is just wrong if it does not work for you it is probably genetics, diet or hypogonadism from AAS. Or another drug or a failure in testing method....say getting bloods done fasted vs not after or before change in fat intake so on. There are to many cases of blood work showing an increase of varying degrees for it to just be false due to "rat studies"

I am not bashing you but its simply illogical to assume the studies are flawed given the increase shown by so many cases And failures of so few.

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harbonah said:
This is just wrong if it does not work for you it is probably genetics, diet or hypogonadism from AAS. Or another drug or a failure in testing method....say getting bloods done fasted vs not after or before change in fat intake so on. There are to many cases of blood work showing an increase of varying degrees for it to just be false due to "rat studies"

I am not bashing you but its simply illogical to assume the studies are flawed given the increase shown by so many cases And failures of so few.

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The general point is that you can't tell anyone that DAA did not work for you without someone taking it personal and telling you that you are wrong. I'd bet my last dollar that half the people on here have no idea if it did anything to help them, they just think it did. The difference is that those of us on TRT actually get labs, so we know that it doesn't work for many of us.

In the end, we couldn't give a rat's ass (no pun intended) if it works for someone else. It doesn't work for everyone.
 
Wreaked havoc ....not cycled havoc lol. I use IBE only anyways :D
 
My pre and post bloods were almost replicated exactly. Look at my log on BB.com. serach for DAA+erase blood work. Under this same name. Also, the study donr on humans did not state any changed diet, or if they were coming of a cycle, or ANY factor that could have significantly skewed the results in DAAs favor.
 
Cable100k said:
My pre and post bloods were almost replicated exactly. Look at my log on BB.com. serach for DAA+erase blood work. Under this same name. Also, the study donr on humans did not state any changed diet, or if they were coming of a cycle, or ANY factor that could have significantly skewed the results in DAAs favor.
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You are on a drug that shows it lowers test you have a condition that is calling for it, my guess is you are having an immune response your condition or the drug. Or you might just have a nice warning of what is to come as you stated your father has hypogonadism if I remember correctly....you have many factors that could explain why it does not work for you hell you might fit all the conditions but the diet I mentioned..
 
kisaj said:
The general point is that you can't tell anyone that DAA did not work for you without someone taking it personal and telling you that you are wrong. I'd bet my last dollar that half the people on here have no idea if it did anything to help them, they just think it did. The difference is that those of us on TRT actually get labs, so we know that it doesn't work for many of us.

In the end, we couldn't give a rat's ass (no pun intended) if it works for someone else. It doesn't work for everyone.
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oh Ill buy that for a dollar. I do not understand why anyone would take it personally unless they are are rep I just try to understand the reasons myself so it may sound like I am making excuses but I really am looking for explanations...
 
kisaj said:
The general point is that you can't tell anyone that DAA did not work for you without someone taking it personal and telling you that you are wrong. I'd bet my last dollar that half the people on here have no idea if it did anything to help them, they just think it did. The difference is that those of us on TRT actually get labs, so we know that it doesn't work for many of us.

In the end, we couldn't give a rat's ass (no pun intended) if it works for someone else. It doesn't work for everyone.
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Also a small fact is that if you agree meaning taking DAA while on TRT then its obvious. DAA doesn't work while androgen receptors are dealing with synthetic testosterone derivatives. No one on TRT can test DAA and say that it doesn't work no matter what bloods say.
 
tinytony said:
Also a small fact is that if you agree meaning taking DAA while on TRT then its obvious. DAA doesn't work while androgen receptors are dealing with synthetic testosterone derivatives. No one on TRT can test DAA and say that it doesn't work no matter what bloods say.
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And ID like to see somebody try to argue this.
 
tinytony said:
And ID like to see somebody try to argue this.
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I am missing your point? Yes if you are on a cycle, TRT or well using androgen's as a whole it will probably not produce test but they could still test for an increase in LH while on cycle and that would prove that the use of DAA does in fact work? So are you saying they can not test it because yes they most certainly can. Will it increase Test no it probably will not but it should increase LH still.
 
harbonah said:
I am missing your point? Yes if you are on a cycle, TRT or well using androgen's as a whole it will probably not produce test but they could still test for an increase in LH while on cycle and that would prove that the use of DAA does in fact work? So are you saying they can not test it because yes they most certainly can. Will it increase Test no it probably will not but it should increase LH still.
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Ok we were on little different page with our thoughts. I stand corrected
 
harbonah said:
This is just wrong if it does not work for you it is probably genetics, diet or hypogonadism from AAS. Or another drug or a failure in testing method....say getting bloods done fasted vs not after or before change in fat intake so on. There are to many cases of blood work showing an increase of varying degrees for it to just be false due to "rat studies"

I am not bashing you but its simply illogical to assume the studies are flawed given the increase shown by so many cases And failures of so few.

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You will never sell me on d-aspartic acid. Muahahahah

DAA fanboy alert! So funny to me, it's like a made a yo mama joke with the rebuttal
 
I'm one of those touchy guys with DAA must be. Lol it always feels so good to me but haven't done bloods on it. And if its placebo then its good enough ill settle for placebo because it really jacks libido for me
 
tinytony said:
Also a small fact is that if you agree meaning taking DAA while on TRT then its obvious. DAA doesn't work while androgen receptors are dealing with synthetic testosterone derivatives. No one on TRT can test DAA and say that it doesn't work no matter what bloods say.
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I posted that DAA was something I tried before going to TRT.
 
harbonah said:
You are on a drug that shows it lowers test you have a condition that is calling for it, my guess is you are having an immune response your condition or the drug. Or you might just have a nice warning of what is to come as you stated your father has hypogonadism if I remember correctly....you have many factors that could explain why it does not work for you hell you might fit all the conditions but the diet I mentioned..
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I was on the methotrexate pre and post blood. So if it was lowering my test it would have been noted. The DAA dis nothing to raise my already low test. That's the point. And on the 15mg/wk methotrexate I am on, should not lower test anyways. The ammount the study was looking at was an equivalent to over 400mg a week. Big difference. I'm not saying DAA doesn't work. All I am saying is it did not work for me. And a lot of other people on here. So calm ya tits.
 
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