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Randoja said:
Flawed and irrelevant are two different things.
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Yep. Unfortunately its utility is highly limited due to its flaws. It's a nice idea, it just didnt pan out.


Claiming that bodybuilders use it is hilarious. Bodybuilders also use glutamine. Correlation does not imply causation.
 
R3ACTION said:
Pound for pound!

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I've seen smaller and stronger women :p but she is indeed magnificent :). How's the fat loss coming along? Good?
 
Powercage said:
This is irrelevant. Aragon trains Olympians and professional athletes as well as bodybuilders. But Im no longer willing to continue this debate. Do what works for you :)
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In for Aragon's scientific studies on High GI/Low GI and effect on blood glucose levels in peer reviewed journals.

otherwise...................

experience and anecdotal observation does not equal scientific evidence, otherwise we'd still think the world is flat and the Sun revolves around it.

I'll let you dig up those links :)
 
Well this thread had become very UN helpful to the op.
 
cswalczakny said:
In for Aragon's scientific studies on High GI/Low GI and effect on blood glucose levels in peer reviewed journals.

otherwise...................

experience and anecdotal observation does not equal scientific evidence, otherwise we'd still think the world is flat and the Sun revolves around it.

I'll let you dig up those links :)
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This would be great, assuming that there is any shred of proof that the GI works in a diet better than something else.

Hint: this study doesnt exist


You could easily look up work by other leading researchers in the nutrition field. Lyle McDonald has also written articles about all of the flaws with the GI.
 
Straight from the Mayo Clinic: "The glycemic index doesn't rank foods according to how healthy they actually are. Indeed, some foods with the preferred lower GI ranking may, in fact, be less healthy because they contain large amounts of calories, sugar or saturated fat, especially packaged and processed foods. Both potato chips and ice cream, for instance, have a lower glycemic index ranking than do baked potatoes, even though baked potatoes are generally considered healthier. So while lower GI items may help blood sugar balance in those that have uncontrolled diets, choosing them indiscriminately could lead to other health problems.

Other concerns
One major concern with the glycemic index is that it ranks foods in isolation. But in reality, how your body absorbs and handles carbs depends on many factors, including how much you eat; how the food is ripened, processed or prepared; the time of day it's eaten; other foods you eat it with; and health conditions you may have, such as diabetes. So the glycemic index may not give an accurate picture of how one particular food affects your blood sugar. Glycemic load is a related concept that scores a food product based on both carb content and portion size. But the larger the portion size, the greater the calories consumed whether the glycemic index is high or low.
It also can be difficult to follow a glycemic index diet on your own. For one thing, most foods aren't ranked by glycemic index. Packaged foods don't generally list their GI rank on the label, and it can be hard to estimate what it might be. And for some types of food, the glycemic index database has multiple entries — you may not be sure which entry is accurate."






Does GI work if you have been eating garbage up until that point? Sure, any diet pretty much does. Does this mean it is a great dietary guideline? Not necessarily.
 
Powercage said:
This would be great, assuming that there is any shred of proof that the GI works in a diet better than something else.

Hint: this study doesnt exist


You could easily look up work by other leading researchers in the nutrition field. Lyle McDonald has also written articles about all of the flaws with the GI.
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which is exactly why your claim that GI=BS is flawed. lol. you are relying on anecdotal evidence to refute anecdotal evidence. wtf ever happened to different strokes for different folks, or your mileage may vary? Guys like you get on a power(cage) trip and claim that YOUR view of things which you heard from so-and-so is the only true way even though you have no shred of solid evidence to back it up.

The point is, there are many points of view, and many different things work for many different people. You can't just go around shooting your mouth off like what you do and what you say is the gospel. thats what they do on bb.com, not here
 
cswalczakny said:
which is exactly why your claim that GI=BS is flawed. lol. you are relying on anecdotal evidence to refute anecdotal evidence. wtf ever happened to different strokes for different folks, or your mileage may vary? Guys like you get on a power(cage) trip and claim that YOUR view of things which you heard from so-and-so is the only true way even though you have no shred of solid evidence to back it up.

The point is, there are many points of view, and many different things work for many different people. You can't just go around shooting your mouth off like what you do and what you say is the gospel. thats what they do on bb.com, not here
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Do not think this board is without fault either. Fact remains, there was flawed methodology in determining the GI. There have been more recent studies that prove there were quite a few more factors that needed to be considered prior to formulation. You are more than welcome to look them up.


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Powercage said:
Straight from the Mayo Clinic: "The glycemic index doesn't rank foods according to how healthy they actually are. Indeed, some foods with the preferred lower GI ranking may, in fact, be less healthy because they contain large amounts of calories, sugar or saturated fat, especially packaged and processed foods. Both potato chips and ice cream, for instance, have a lower glycemic index ranking than do baked potatoes, even though baked potatoes are generally considered healthier. So while lower GI items may help blood sugar balance in those that have uncontrolled diets, choosing them indiscriminately could lead to other health problems.

Other concerns
One major concern with the glycemic index is that it ranks foods in isolation. But in reality, how your body absorbs and handles carbs depends on many factors, including how much you eat; how the food is ripened, processed or prepared; the time of day it's eaten; other foods you eat it with; and health conditions you may have, such as diabetes. So the glycemic index may not give an accurate picture of how one particular food affects your blood sugar. Glycemic load is a related concept that scores a food product based on both carb content and portion size. But the larger the portion size, the greater the calories consumed whether the glycemic index is high or low.
It also can be difficult to follow a glycemic index diet on your own. For one thing, most foods aren't ranked by glycemic index. Packaged foods don't generally list their GI rank on the label, and it can be hard to estimate what it might be. And for some types of food, the glycemic index database has multiple entries — you may not be sure which entry is accurate."






Does GI work if you have been eating garbage up until that point? Sure, any diet pretty much does. Does this mean it is a great dietary guideline? Not necessarily.
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I never recommended it as a sole source of dietary decision making. Obviously caloric content and overall food quantity are important as well, however THAT is the first principle of diet, far from fine tuning details.

Since we're speaking of anecdotal experience, if I eat:

barley, spinach, salad, sweet potatoes, apples, etc in WHOLE form (not blended, mashed or processed) with all fiber and skin in tact I will feel fuller longer than I would if I ate the same calories in:

ice cream, milk, apple sauce, mashed potatos, candy, processed cereal grains, juice, soda, etc
 
cswalczakny said:
I never recommended it as a sole source of dietary decision making. Obviously caloric content and overall food quantity are important as well, however THAT is the first principle of diet, far from fine tuning details.

Since we're speaking of anecdotal experience, if I eat:

barley, spinach, salad, sweet potatoes, apples, etc in WHOLE form (not blended, mashed or processed) with all fiber and skin in tact I will feel fuller longer than I would if I ate the same calories in:

ice cream, milk, apple sauce, mashed potatos, candy, processed cereal grains, juice, soda, etc
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I agree, fiber aids in satiation.
 
cswalczakny said:
which is exactly why your claim that GI=BS is flawed. lol. you are relying on anecdotal evidence
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1) Schenk S, et al. Different glycemic indexes of breakfast cereals are not due to glucose entry into blood but to glucose removal by tissue. Am J Clin Nutr 2003;78(4):742-8.
2) Pi-Sunyer FX. Glycemic index and disease. Am J Clin Nutr 2002 Jul;76(1):290S-8S.
3) Kiens B, Richter EA. Types of carbohydrate in an ordinary diet affect insulin action and muscle substrates in humans. Am J Clin Nutr 1996;63:47-53.
4) Holt SH, Miller JC. A satiety index of common foods. Eur J Clin Nutr 1995 Sep;49(9):675-90.
5) Ostman EM, et al. Inconsistency between glycemic and insulinemic responses to regular and fermented milk products. Am J Clin Nutr 2001; 74(1):96-100.
6) Collier G, et al. The effect of coingestion of fat on the glucose, insulin, and gastric inhibitory polypeptide responses to carbohydrate and protein. Am J Clin Nutr 1983;37(6):941-4.
7) Collier G, et al. The acute effect of fat on insulin secretion. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1988;66(2):323-6.
8) Rasmussen O, et al. Differential effects of saturated and monounsaturated fat on blood glucose and insulin responses in subjects with non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus. Am J Clin Nutr 1996 Feb;63(2):249-53.
9) Joannic JL, et al. How the degree of unsaturation of dietary fatty acids influences the glucose and insulin responses to different carbohydrates in mixed meals. Am J Clin Nutr 1997 May;65(5):1427-33.
10) Robertson MD, et al. Acute effects of meal fatty acid composition on insulin sensitivity in healthy post-menopausal women. Br J Nutr 2002;88(6):635-40.
11) Gannon MC, et al. Metabolic response to cottage cheese or egg white protein, with or without glucose, in type II diabetic subjects. Metabolism 1992;41(10):1137-45.
12) van Loon LJ, et al. Plasma insulin responses after ingestion of different amino acid or protein mixtures with carbohydrate. Am J Clin Nutr 2000;72(1):96-105.
13) Raben A. Should obese patients be counselled to follow a low-glycaemic index diet? No. Obes Rev. 2002 Nov;3(4):245-56.
14) Raatz SK, et al. Reduced glycemic index and glycemic load diets do not increase the effects of energy restriction on weight loss and insulin sensitivity in obese men and women. J Nutr. 2005 Oct;135(10):2387-91.
 
Powercage said:
1) Schenk S, et al. Different glycemic indexes of breakfast cereals are not due to glucose entry into blood but to glucose removal by tissue. Am J Clin Nutr 2003;78(4):742-8.
2) Pi-Sunyer FX. Glycemic index and disease. Am J Clin Nutr 2002 Jul;76(1):290S-8S.
3) Kiens B, Richter EA. Types of carbohydrate in an ordinary diet affect insulin action and muscle substrates in humans. Am J Clin Nutr 1996;63:47-53.
4) Holt SH, Miller JC. A satiety index of common foods. Eur J Clin Nutr 1995 Sep;49(9):675-90.
5) Ostman EM, et al. Inconsistency between glycemic and insulinemic responses to regular and fermented milk products. Am J Clin Nutr 2001; 74(1):96-100.
6) Collier G, et al. The effect of coingestion of fat on the glucose, insulin, and gastric inhibitory polypeptide responses to carbohydrate and protein. Am J Clin Nutr 1983;37(6):941-4.
7) Collier G, et al. The acute effect of fat on insulin secretion. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1988;66(2):323-6.
8) Rasmussen O, et al. Differential effects of saturated and monounsaturated fat on blood glucose and insulin responses in subjects with non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus. Am J Clin Nutr 1996 Feb;63(2):249-53.
9) Joannic JL, et al. How the degree of unsaturation of dietary fatty acids influences the glucose and insulin responses to different carbohydrates in mixed meals. Am J Clin Nutr 1997 May;65(5):1427-33.
10) Robertson MD, et al. Acute effects of meal fatty acid composition on insulin sensitivity in healthy post-menopausal women. Br J Nutr 2002;88(6):635-40.
11) Gannon MC, et al. Metabolic response to cottage cheese or egg white protein, with or without glucose, in type II diabetic subjects. Metabolism 1992;41(10):1137-45.
12) van Loon LJ, et al. Plasma insulin responses after ingestion of different amino acid or protein mixtures with carbohydrate. Am J Clin Nutr 2000;72(1):96-105.
13) Raben A. Should obese patients be counselled to follow a low-glycaemic index diet? No. Obes Rev. 2002 Nov;3(4):245-56.
14) Raatz SK, et al. Reduced glycemic index and glycemic load diets do not increase the effects of energy restriction on weight loss and insulin sensitivity in obese men and women. J Nutr. 2005 Oct;135(10):2387-91.
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The majority of these are totally off topic
 
The hell is going on in this thread. I feel sorry for the OP who was just looking for an answer. :(

cswalczakny said:
The point is, there are many points of view, and many different things work for many different people. You can't just go around shooting your mouth off like what you do and what you say is the gospel. thats what they do on bb.com, not here
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Honestly you just come off as a dick posting this. PC has been very calm and the only one really posting sources/links yet you are going to say this when you are doing exactly what you are eluding he is doing? I am surprised PC is even still responding based on the reactions people are taking towards him and I hope that responses like this won't push him away from contributing more over here. I don't see why bringing up another site is even warranted in this discussion and doesn't back the attitude of AM that you are trying to show.
 
bolt10 said:
The hell is going on in this thread. I feel sorry for the OP who was just looking for an answer. :(



Honestly you just come off as a dick posting this. PC has been very calm and the only one really posting sources/links yet you are going to say this when you are doing exactly what you are eluding he is doing? I am surprised PC is even still responding based on the reactions people are taking towards him and I hope that responses like this won't push him away from contributing more over here. I don't see why bringing up another site is even warranted in this discussion and doesn't back the attitude of AM that you are trying to show.
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i'm sorry but pi$$ing on one type of diet practice or belief system by promoting an alternative idea that is equally unproven is somewhat ridiculous. It's like a religion war until there is some kind of hard, incontrovertible scientific evidence one way or another.

but anyway, i'll stop
 
Ok guys, OP here. First off I had no clue I would get this kind of response! This is awesome, I have been checking in reading what some of the more experienced guys have been posting. Much of this information about gl I haven't paid attention to in the past, or even meal timing as of recently! There are some real good guys to get knowledge from here.

Some of the changes I have made are using karbolic (supplement has been sitting in pantry for months) post workout on my way home right before my protein shake. Then as usual ill eat a 8-10 oz mean/2 cup of rice meal. I have tried to keep the shakes to minimum but honestly with me eating 4,000+ calories (without shakes) I figured one in the immediate morning, one post workout and one immediately before bed wouldn't hurt me. My shake post workout I typically use a non gainer low carb protein because I usually eat a meal 45-1hr later. I also drink karbolic as I'm literally driving home from gym. One thing I catch myself mixing up is using a gainer or not first thing when I wake up. I like to have a shake literally within minutes of awaking. Sometimes gainer sometimes not. What is best immediately that soon after awaking. Either way on my way to work ill be eating eggs and some Ezekiel toast or if I don't have toast ill have Ezekiel cereal before work. At night time before bed is when I usually make my biggest shake ice/whole milk/2scoopcasein/2 scoop gainer/oats/pb/maybe cocoanut oil. I know everyone's body is going to respond differently but am I on the right track.

This thread has educated me even further and I appreciate everyone's input! I am now doing my own research as well on this subject since I was completely uneducated before this on this subject.

Now, for 6 months or so I have not seen myself on the scale at more than 215lbs. Last night with a stomach full I weighed in 220lbs. I am eating an obscene amount of food that I am not used to. But I've learned for my body I have to work or eat twice as hard as some others. So much to where its unpleasant. Makes me feel sick, and I won't get into how many times I sh** a day! This morning I weighed 217.6 lbs right when I woke up. I'd sat I'm up about 3 lbs this week and I give credit to some of the changes I mentioned above and not to mention some of these awesome members we have on this thread!

I will stay tuned for knowledge but wanted to thank you guys on this thread who have opened my eyes to this subject!
Thank you again all!
 
IFBBound said:
Ok guys, OP here. First off I had no clue I would get this kind of response! This is awesome, I have been checking in reading what some of the more experienced guys have been posting. Much of this information about gl I haven't paid attention to in the past, or even meal timing as of recently! There are some real good guys to get knowledge from here.

Some of the changes I have made are using karbolic (supplement has been sitting in pantry for months) post workout on my way home right before my protein shake. Then as usual ill eat a 8-10 oz mean/2 cup of rice meal. I have tried to keep the shakes to minimum but honestly with me eating 4,000+ calories (without shakes) I figured one in the immediate morning, one post workout and one immediately before bed wouldn't hurt me. My shake post workout I typically use a non gainer low carb protein because I usually eat a meal 45-1hr later. I also drink karbolic as I'm literally driving home from gym. One thing I catch myself mixing up is using a gainer or not first thing when I wake up. I like to have a shake literally within minutes of awaking. Sometimes gainer sometimes not. What is best immediately that soon after awaking. Either way on my way to work ill be eating eggs and some Ezekiel toast or if I don't have toast ill have Ezekiel cereal before work. At night time before bed is when I usually make my biggest shake ice/whole milk/2scoopcasein/2 scoop gainer/oats/pb/maybe cocoanut oil. I know everyone's body is going to respond differently but am I on the right track.

This thread has educated me even further and I appreciate everyone's input! I am now doing my own research as well on this subject since I was completely uneducated before this on this subject.

Now, for 6 months or so I have not seen myself on the scale at more than 215lbs. Last night with a stomach full I weighed in 220lbs. I am eating an obscene amount of food that I am not used to. But I've learned for my body I have to work or eat twice as hard as some others. So much to where its unpleasant. Makes me feel sick, and I won't get into how many times I sh** a day! This morning I weighed 217.6 lbs right when I woke up. I'd sat I'm up about 3 lbs this week and I give credit to some of the changes I mentioned above and not to mention some of these awesome members we have on this thread!

I will stay tuned for knowledge but wanted to thank you guys on this thread who have opened my eyes to this subject!
Thank you again all!
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Glad I could help.
 
Glad to see powercage adding to the forum.

Great thread idea OP :clap:

In for more of the discussion.
 
cswalczakny said:
i'm sorry but pi$$ing on one type of diet practice or belief system by promoting an alternative idea that is equally unproven is somewhat ridiculous.
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There was no promoting an alternative diet. I do believe the whole nutrient timing idea is being altered by actual science tho. Which gives some credence to some IIFYM ideals. As I stated before, IIFYM has flaws itself. Just not as blatant as the GI.

rob112 said:
Glad to see powercage adding to the forum.
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How are you doing sir? :)
 
Powercage said:
There was no pushing an alternative diet. I do believe the whole nutrient timing idea is being slowly altered by actual science tho. Which gives some credence to some IIFYM ideals.

I help those that are willing to learn ;)
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Yeah, I can respect that it gives it some credence, particularly in the off-season. Point made
 
Powercage said:
How are you doing sir? :)
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Doing good man. Switched over to the powerlifting style stuff, getting ready for my first meet in June. Learning from some of the good bros in the training forum here.

How about yourself?
 
bolt10 said:
PC has been very calm and the only one really posting sources/links yet you are going to say this when you are doing exactly what you are eluding he is doing? I am surprised PC is even still responding based on the reactions people are taking towards him and I hope that responses like this won't push him away from contributing more over here.
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Lots of nice people here. Hopefully some of the information can help them to make a more informed decision in their diet/training.
 
rob112 said:
Doing good man. Switched over to the powerlifting style stuff, getting ready for my first meet in June. Learning from some of the good bros in the training forum here.

How about yourself?
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Awesome man! Let me know how it goes. Ive been doing a lot more compound work recently as well. Really enjoying Wendler 5-3-1.

Been doing well, lots of work stuff. Working to get a few more letters after my name.
 
Powercage said:
Awesome man! Let me know how it goes. Ive been doing a lot more compound work recently as well. Really enjoying Wendler 5-3-1.

Been doing well, lots of work stuff. Working to get a few more letters after my name.
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Awesome stuff man :D
 
Powercage said:
Yep. Unfortunately its utility is highly limited due to its flaws. It's a nice idea, it just didnt pan out.


Claiming that bodybuilders use it is hilarious. Bodybuilders also use glutamine. Correlation does not imply causation.
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You seem so confused, the GI is not flawed. It is just data. It is the utilization of that information would be flawed at best. It isn't even irrelevant, you have heard of diabetes right? The original reason the GI system was brought up was recommending high GI carbs because they are less filling. You immediately scoffed at the GI as a whole like it was a diploma from Hogwarts. @OP, eat more food.
 
Randoja said:
You seem so confused, the GI is not flawed. It is just data. It is the utilization of that information would be flawed at best. It isn't even irrelevant, you have heard of diabetes right? The original reason the GI system was brought up was recommending high GI carbs because they are less filling. You immediately scoffed at the GI as a whole like it was a diploma from Hogwarts.
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ok.
 
As a type one for 18 years, I can tell you that there isnt a god damn difference between GI carbs.

Edit: In terms of insulin needs
 
IFBBound said:
Ok guys, OP here. First off I had no clue I would get this kind of response! This is awesome, I have been checking in reading what some of the more experienced guys have been posting. Much of this information about gl I haven't paid attention to in the past, or even meal timing as of recently! There are some real good guys to get knowledge from here.

Some of the changes I have made are using karbolic (supplement has been sitting in pantry for months) post workout on my way home right before my protein shake. Then as usual ill eat a 8-10 oz mean/2 cup of rice meal. I have tried to keep the shakes to minimum but honestly with me eating 4,000+ calories (without shakes) I figured one in the immediate morning, one post workout and one immediately before bed wouldn't hurt me. My shake post workout I typically use a non gainer low carb protein because I usually eat a meal 45-1hr later. I also drink karbolic as I'm literally driving home from gym. One thing I catch myself mixing up is using a gainer or not first thing when I wake up. I like to have a shake literally within minutes of awaking. Sometimes gainer sometimes not. What is best immediately that soon after awaking. Either way on my way to work ill be eating eggs and some Ezekiel toast or if I don't have toast ill have Ezekiel cereal before work. At night time before bed is when I usually make my biggest shake ice/whole milk/2scoopcasein/2 scoop gainer/oats/pb/maybe cocoanut oil. I know everyone's body is going to respond differently but am I on the right track.

This thread has educated me even further and I appreciate everyone's input! I am now doing my own research as well on this subject since I was completely uneducated before this on this subject.

Now, for 6 months or so I have not seen myself on the scale at more than 215lbs. Last night with a stomach full I weighed in 220lbs. I am eating an obscene amount of food that I am not used to. But I've learned for my body I have to work or eat twice as hard as some others. So much to where its unpleasant. Makes me feel sick, and I won't get into how many times I sh** a day! This morning I weighed 217.6 lbs right when I woke up. I'd sat I'm up about 3 lbs this week and I give credit to some of the changes I mentioned above and not to mention some of these awesome members we have on this thread!

I will stay tuned for knowledge but wanted to thank you guys on this thread who have opened my eyes to this subject!
Thank you again all!
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Awesome!!! We provoked you to delve into the research yourself. That's the ultimate goal. The thing about nutrition, training and diet is its ALWAYS evolving there is no definitive answer otherwise we wouldn't be debating this hot topic :) Ultimately for you is get in more calories. Good luck man.

Keep an open mind, being narrow minded and saying you are the absolute truth on all things is the only flaw in debates. Not saying PC did that at all, he handled himself well and seems to have a lot of info to give. Just in general for the board quit pissing all over each other saying one is wrong or right especially based on "science". Science is always changing and the one study you use to back you up tomo, will have s study disproving it Thursday.

- Valdez
 
Valdez said:
Awesome!!! We provoked you to delve into the research yourself. That's the ultimate goal. The thing about nutrition, training and diet is its ALWAYS evolving there is no definitive answer otherwise we wouldn't be debating this hot topic :) Ultimately for you is get in more calories. Good luck man.

Keep an open mind, being narrow minded and saying you are the absolute truth on all things is the only flaw in debates. Not saying PC did that at all, he handled himself well and seems to have a lot of info to give. Just in general for the board quit pissing all over each other saying one is wrong or right especially based on "science". Science is always changing and the one study you use to back you up tomo, will have s study disproving it Thursday.

- Valdez
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Dodgy and classy. In the end the thread ended up well, we all got new literature different POVs and fun seeing some people take the internet personas seriously.
 
Celorza said:
Dodgy and classy. In the end the thread ended up well, we all got new literature different POVs and fun seeing some people take the internet personas seriously.
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I didn't dodge anything. I said my piece, my opinion remains the same and will continue on as such. I utilize all tools available to me for my own use and those of the athletes I take part in training :). Unless you're referring to me not answering your mindless bull ****. In which case, I don't have time for your antics. While you sit behind your, what I'm guessing is a child sized desk, typing to your internet "friends". I'm working with national, collegiate and, Olympian athletes under the direct tutelage of a US Olympic coach. So have fun playing pretend with your internet friends while those of us that contributed useful information, live it. Carry on...

- Valdez
 
Valdez said:
I didn't dodge anything. I said my piece, my opinion remains the same and will continue on as such. I utilize all tools available to me for my own use and those of the athletes I take part in training :). Unless you're referring to me not answering your mindless bull ****. In which case, I don't have time for your antics. While you sit behind your, what I'm guessing is a child sized desk, typing to your internet "friends". I'm working with national, collegiate and, Olympian athletes under the direct tutelage of a US Olympic coach. So have fun playing pretend with your internet friends while those of us that contributed useful information, live it. Carry on...

- Valdez
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Oh no I don't need you to answer. I am enjoying your act at the moment, that which you shunned on me (acting high and mighty) is what you have become. I shall not, however fall into ad hominem as we are part of the same team and also...I do not really take mind or notion of your ideas of way of being. I like a more comprehensive and educated approach when it comes to posting and delivering knowledge :p
 
Powercage said:
How are your lifts looking? Feel like you are ready?
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My lifts are okay. I have been trying to perfect my form and only training like this for a short time. I do think I am ready to get some numbers on the board to build off of. From what I hear the guys at the meets are very helpful so I am pumped for the experience.
 
That was an exciting read to get me through class :D
 
rob112 said:
My lifts are okay. I have been trying to perfect my form and only training like this for a short time. I do think I am ready to get some numbers on the board to build off of. From what I hear the guys at the meets are very helpful so I am pumped for the experience.
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Getting used to powerlifting bench is quite interesting.
 
kbayne said:
That was an exciting read to get me through class :D
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It is funny to say the least.

Powercage said:
Getting used to powerlifting bench is quite interesting.
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Celorza said:
Once you get into it you don't wanna go back to bodybuilding bench press lol
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I despise it. I always hated barbell benching and now I despise it even more with a powerlifting set up, but I'll continue to do it anyways. :p

Not to mention the looks you get in a commercial gym (Golds for me) when getting set up.
 
bolt10 said:
It is funny to say the least.





I despise it. I always hated barbell benching and now I despise it even more with a powerlifting set up, but I'll continue to do it anyways. :p

Not to mention the looks you get in a commercial gym (Golds for me) when getting set up.
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People in commercial gyms think you have no idea what you are doing until you load a bunch of weight on the bar, lol
 
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