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10iu GH ed Log

Nico1 said:
your taking 1000 of deca a week you dont have deca dic do you? lol how do you control the sides? proviron?
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Masteron takes care if all estrogen conversion I though I told u this I don't ever even have problems within my nipples because of the mast it's way better than arimidex even
 
Tvirus said:
Masteron takes care if all estrogen conversion I though I told u this I don't ever even have problems within my nipples because of the mast it's way better than arimidex even
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now that I have my BF in the single digits, I am going to bridge over to primobolan, masteron E and anavar with a test trt dose.

really makes you hard and separated and vascular when BF is low.
 
JRex said:
now that I have my BF in the single digits, I am going to bridge over to primobolan, masteron E and anavar with a test trt dose.

really makes you hard and separated and vascular when BF is low.
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I'm a very naturally lean person or hard gainer how ever you want to put it but I never get much higher than 10 percent bf which is good and bad I've never tried primo I can get it but I like stuff that that's makes you big like anadrol deca tren and insulin it's wired I'm very sensitive to igf1 because I'm so lean naturally it will actually make legs smaller if I don't take insulin with it for some reason my legs really like insulin it makes them harder and more vascular I'm gonna take it to carb up for my this weekend I'm excited oh and I was taking 20 ius a day kinda of made me sick with exhaustion it was weird !
 
Tvirus said:
I'm a very naturally lean person or hard gainer how ever you want to put it but I never get much higher than 10 percent bf which is good and bad I've never tried primo I can get it but I like stuff that that's makes you big like anadrol deca tren and insulin it's wired I'm very sensitive to igf1 because I'm so lean naturally it will actually make legs smaller if I don't take insulin with it for some reason my legs really like insulin it makes them harder and more vascular I'm gonna take it to carb up for my this weekend I'm excited oh and I was taking 20 ius a day kinda of made me sick with exhaustion it was weird !
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I use to shotgun 15-20 units of humalog post workout. you just get tired from trying to get all the calories into you. I only use 5-6 units now and its very manageable and does not wear me out.

If I was trying to bulk and maximize my training, I would split workouts into twice a day and use 10 units after each workout.
 
JRex said:
I use to shotgun 15-20 units of humalog post workout. you just get tired from trying to get all the calories into you. I only use 5-6 units now and its very manageable and does not wear me out.

If I was trying to bulk and maximize my training, I would split workouts into twice a day and use 10 units after each workout.
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That's so much insulin and I like to run stuff high but the most Ill do at one time is 4 I usually do that twice a day when I take it and go to work it gives me a lot of energy at first then after about 3 meals in 3 hours I start to feel worn out but insulin and growth are my two absolute favorite supplements for sure !
 
JRex said:
I use to shotgun 15-20 units of humalog post workout. you just get tired from trying to get all the calories into you. I only use 5-6 units now and its very manageable and does not wear me out.

If I was trying to bulk and maximize my training, I would split workouts into twice a day and use 10 units after each workout.
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Oh for bulking I find especially with me having trouble gaining weight that less working out is better more food and more rest is how u grow when I'm bulking I only work out 4 days a week there long workouts like 2 and a half hours but I find I grow best that way every body part gets hit once and that way I also stay symmetrical !
 
tnubs said:
It's not directly anabolic either but at those doses I bet your igf-1 level will be through the roof enough to cause some serious changes.

I'm super jealous. In to see results!
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Anabolic as in "building muscle"?

I don't mean to be a smart aleck, but GH is the only thing that actually does the growing. Steroids just increase nutrient partitioning and water retention (among other things) which is often confused with muscle proliferation. GH on the other hand actually causes growth of muscles - the increase in muscle matter, not just water or nutrient partitioning.

Without GH, nothing gets bigger. Without test, it's just harder to get bigger.

10 IU of GH means lots of systemic IGF floating around to build muscle literally around the clock. It doesn't happen "fast" but it will be steady gains.
 
Tvirus said:
Oh for bulking I find especially with me having trouble gaining weight that less working out is better more food and more rest is how u grow when I'm bulking I only work out 4 days a week there long workouts like 2 and a half hours but I find I grow best that way every body part gets hit once and that way I also stay symmetrical !
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When I was doing 15 units post wo, I had gotten up to 320 pounds and 5x shirt, rock hard everywhere but my stomach, almost looked like I was pregnant to some degree. I thinks its just all the carbs.

How old you? When I was younger, I was the same, hard to put on weight, I am almost 44 now and I can gain weight alot easier. I also find any more than 7 days in a row, you use insulin, you start putting on more fat than muscle gain. I do 6 workouts with humalog and then do 6 workouts with IGF. If I use the humalog any longer, I start putting on fat rather than muscle, so by rotating it, I can avoid any fat accumulation.

When I bulk, I hit it hard and heavy, unless your using a pain killer, its kinda hard to train everyday being super soar.
 
fueledpassion said:
Anabolic as in "building muscle"?

I don't mean to be a smart aleck, but GH is the only thing that actually does the growing. Steroids just increase nutrient partitioning and water retention (among other things) which is often confused with muscle proliferation. GH on the other hand actually causes growth of muscles - the increase in muscle matter, not just water or nutrient partitioning.

Without GH, nothing gets bigger. Without test, it's just harder to get bigger.

10 IU of GH means lots of systemic IGF floating around to build muscle literally around the clock. It doesn't happen "fast" but it will be steady gains.
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There is a similar conversation on the other forum, talking about the similar thing: Here was my question and the experts answer, its pretty interesting:'

Originally Posted by JRanasaurusRex View Post
Good stuff here.

3 questions:

1) Is there a conversion or calculator that estimates, for each IU of GH taken, the body releases xxx mcg of IGF?

2) When oral steroids are taken, does the liver release IGF in response to ingesting the oral steroids? and thus is part of the reason orals are so powerful/fast acting?

3) If its the IGF that your liver makes in response to the GH that is giving you the size, wouldn't it make more sense and financial wise to take a lower dose of GH to get all its benefits and supplement with exogenous IGF-DES or IGF-1R3?

thanks

IGF-1 released is influenced by many other factors including insulin, thyroid hormones, androgens and estrogens, cortisol, feeding status, etc etc. Plus there are probably large interindividual variances

your liver releases around 15000 mcg a day of IGF-1 (15mg)

You wont get the same response from IGF-1 analogs. Youd be better off taking more GH. The IGF-1 analogs may be good for site injections for connective tissue, or maybe for post workout glucose disposal. thats about it
 
JRex said:
There is a similar conversation on the other forum, talking about the similar thing: Here was my question and the experts answer, its pretty interesting:'

Originally Posted by JRanasaurusRex View Post
Good stuff here.

3 questions:

1) Is there a conversion or calculator that estimates, for each IU of GH taken, the body releases xxx mcg of IGF?

2) When oral steroids are taken, does the liver release IGF in response to ingesting the oral steroids? and thus is part of the reason orals are so powerful/fast acting?

3) If its the IGF that your liver makes in response to the GH that is giving you the size, wouldn't it make more sense and financial wise to take a lower dose of GH to get all its benefits and supplement with exogenous IGF-DES or IGF-1R3?

thanks

IGF-1 released is influenced by many other factors including insulin, thyroid hormones, androgens and estrogens, cortisol, feeding status, etc etc. Plus there are probably large interindividual variances

your liver releases around 15000 mcg a day of IGF-1 (15mg)

You wont get the same response from IGF-1 analogs. Youd be better off taking more GH. The IGF-1 analogs may be good for site injections for connective tissue, or maybe for post workout glucose disposal. thats about it
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I agree, this is why I don't use IGF-1 anymore. Too much money for not enough good reasons. I can get glucose disposal just as easy on Superdrol, lol.

Gh on the other hand is ridiculously expensive when used in effective dosages (which to me is about 4IU/day). So, I've dedicated myself to using GHRP's and GHRH's. They work, too but on a lesser scale. Either way, I take these things to just keep gains steady, not to actually take me somewhere that I couldn't have gone without the drugs. Plus, GHRP's are legal at the moment and don't actually pose any obvious dangers as long as they are taken responsibly.

Strong recovery period is what I aim for. Good training, however, can be met with diet alone.
 
JRex said:
When I was doing 15 units post wo, I had gotten up to 320 pounds and 5x shirt, rock hard everywhere but my stomach, almost looked like I was pregnant to some degree. I thinks its just all the carbs.

How old you? When I was younger, I was the same, hard to put on weight, I am almost 44 now and I can gain weight alot easier. I also find any more than 7 days in a row, you use insulin, you start putting on more fat than muscle gain. I do 6 workouts with humalog and then do 6 workouts with IGF. If I use the humalog any longer, I start putting on fat rather than muscle, so by rotating it, I can avoid any fat accumulation.

When I bulk, I hit it hard and heavy, unless your using a pain killer, its kinda hard to train everyday being super soar.
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I'm 27 so my metabolism is still very fast it's fast anyways besides my age just my body type but I can run insulin for a month straight with anadrol and not get fat as long as I'm doing growth I feel like I'm dieting year round I love it !
 
fueledpassion said:
Anabolic as in "building muscle"?

I don't mean to be a smart aleck, but GH is the only thing that actually does the growing. Steroids just increase nutrient partitioning and water retention (among other things) which is often confused with muscle proliferation. GH on the other hand actually causes growth of muscles - the increase in muscle matter, not just water or nutrient partitioning.

Without GH, nothing gets bigger. Without test, it's just harder to get bigger.

10 IU of GH means lots of systemic IGF floating around to build muscle literally around the clock. It doesn't happen "fast" but it will be steady gains.
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Love it you are so right doing growth and igf1 my body has littered developed new muscle like it makes my bicep longer than it is naturally or even with it in gear like u said gear just expands the muscle growth creates new muscle !
 
T you must be huge running all of it so long. You damn avi is to small but you look big. How long have you been running growth, if you don't mind me asking.
 
PREracing25 said:
T you must be huge running all of it so long. You damn avi is to small but you look big. How long have you been running growth, if you don't mind me asking.
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5'8" @ 208 and less than 10% BF is very thick & muscular. I get looks in the gym at 5'5" @ 170lbs and I'm around 11% BF currently.
 
fueledpassion said:
5'8" @ 208 and less than 10% BF is very thick & muscular. I get looks in the gym at 5'5" @ 170lbs and I'm around 11% BF currently.
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Ya I get a lot of looks anywhere I go period but that's one of the reasons I love bodybuilding so much sometimes it can get old though you'll never hear me bring up talking about the gym for one no really understands what I do it's not just about lifting but what I do outside the gym that counts the supplementing the food and the rest are more important than actual lifting I feel but I've put in a lot of hard work and spent a lot if money to get where I am
 
PREracing25 said:
T you must be huge running all of it so long. You damn avi is to small but you look big. How long have you been running growth, if you don't mind me asking.
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I've only been doing growth for 7 months now but that's 7 months no break doing 5 a day 7 day a weeks up until this month the when I went up to 10 15 and then 20 which I thought was to much I originally started growth to heal my shoulder which it did but now I love it and will never come off as long as its there !
 
Tvirus said:
Ya I get a lot of looks anywhere I go period but that's one of the reasons I love bodybuilding so much sometimes it can get old though you'll never hear me bring up talking about the gym for one no really understands what I do it's not just about lifting but what I do outside the gym that counts the supplementing the food and the rest are more important than actual lifting I feel but I've put in a lot of hard work and spent a lot if money to get where I am
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You should slap some photos up with all this raving of your physique your doin my man. Your comp pics will suffice
 
Should be pretty steller.
 
tyga tyga said:
You should slap some photos up with all this raving of your physique your doin my man. Your comp pics will suffice
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Ya I would but this app won't let me upload pictures can only get it to load my avatar picture I've tried a couple of times and if never works
 
Tapatalk forum app works great for pictures.
 
Tvirus said:
I would highly recommend it for sure most people online don't know what there talking about but here is my experience of doing it 6 months straight with anabolics and I never come off gear either but your muscles are fuller and rounder it makes a huge difference in your shoulders for some reason it only takes about a week to kick in this 6 months **** to see results is crap if you have real stuff you'll notice a difference right away your always lean no matter what you eat it speeds up your metabolism like crazy you even get drunk faster if u drink on it it's weird it dehydrates your body so drink lots of water and your hands will hurt sometimes but it also clears up your skin and smooths out the lines it made me look a couple years younger no lie and you will wake up a lot through out the night on it for some reason I'm taking a lot so I barely sleep at all I am really taking 10 ius a day it's a lot and I'm doing it just this month for this high that's why when I see this guy posting he's taking 10 ius and says he's sleeping like a baby I no he's lying you don't sleep on 10 ius a day and you don't really need too it's weird that's my experience on it best supplement there is and I do them all ! I would start with 3 a day 6 days a week that's what I started at and I loved it then I went to 5 ius everyday and now at I'm 10 and I might go up to 15 a day for a couple of weeks well see try to win this show and that's what it takes
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Punctuation much or is it the real gh texting?
 
Tvirus said:
I am taking 1250 of sustanon 800 of tren ace 750 of deca and 750 of masteron oh and 125 a day of winstrol plus clen
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Tvirus said:
I run all year I never come off and I get up to about 212 when I'm not dieting but I stay very lean all year because I run so much right now I'm at 202 at 4 to 5 % body fat and I'm only 5 8 most people can't handle as much as I run its not easy
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Tvirus said:
I'm getting my info from guys that are winning state titles and going pro trust me most people on this site are no where near my level and when I show up to the gym I'm bigger and leaner than everybody almost every time unless your a state title winner or a top national level competitor and I will be there one day
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Tvirus said:
I swear everyone this are a bunch posers need to find a better forum where people are serious not idiots lol
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Tvirus said:
I'm done waisting my time you obviously don't understand and that's why you will always be a little guy and wonder how freaks get like they do
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Tvirus said:
I'm not giving you **** and your 5 percent in that pic that's a joke I'm done with you goodbye !
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Tvirus said:
Yes exactly and I honestly don't plan on having kids and I know guys In there 50's that have been running most there life without coming off and there fine and look better than most guys at there age
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Tvirus said:
Ya cycle on and off anadrol and humalog but those affected only things I come off of and no blood pressure medicine I check it every now and then and it's fine it's actually lower than most people's because I eat clean and workout all year plus I don't drink either
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Tvirus said:
Ya I've never had a problem and I never take liver support or anything I just make sure I don't drink
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Tvirus said:
Feels pretty normal to me because I run around this much all year now I am higher than normal right now this week I am at 1250 sust 1000 tren 1000 deca 1000 masteron 125 a day winny and I bumped up my growth for just this week to 20 ius a day ill go back down to 10 next week just trying to ramp up a little for my show in a week and a half but I am looking pretty ridiculous if I do say so myself ! Also dropping deca so I can dry up
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Tvirus said:
I would highly recommend it for sure most people online don't know what there talking about but here is my experience of doing it 6 months straight with anabolics and I never come off gear either but your muscles are fuller and rounder it makes a huge difference in your shoulders for some reason it only takes about a week to kick in this 6 months **** to see results is crap if you have real stuff you'll notice a difference right away your always lean no matter what you eat it speeds up your metabolism like crazy you even get drunk faster if u drink on it it's weird it dehydrates your body so drink lots of water and your hands will hurt sometimes but it also clears up your skin and smooths out the lines it made me look a couple years younger no lie and you will wake up a lot through out the night on it for some reason I'm taking a lot so I barely sleep at all I am really taking 10 ius a day it's a lot and I'm doing it just this month for this high that's why when I see this guy posting he's taking 10 ius and says he's sleeping like a baby I no he's lying you don't sleep on 10 ius a day and you don't really need too it's weird that's my experience on it best supplement there is and I do them all ! I would start with 3 a day 6 days a week that's what I started at and I loved it then I went to 5 ius everyday and now at I'm 10 and I might go up to 15 a day for a couple of weeks well see try to win this show and that's what it takes
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You are so full of **** it is not funny! Do you want to leave this forum on your own for your better forum or shall I help you find the exit?
 
David Dunn said:
You are so full of **** it is not funny! Do you want to leave this forum on your own for your better forum or shall I help you find the exit?
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I'm sure your just another scrub at the gym like the rest of the people on this forum everyone is so worried about pct and all this crap ya ill find a forum with some people who are serious about getting big not a bunch of pussies but I ain't stressing you I know what I look like and I'm sure I look a lot better than you !
 
Tvirus said:
Ok sorry I'm meat head not a nerd why waist my time on worrying about commas and periods
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Tvirus said:
I'm sure your just another scrub at the gym like the rest of the people on this forum everyone is so worried about pct and all this crap ya ill find a forum with some people who are serious about getting big not a bunch of pussies but I ain't stressing you I know what I look like and I'm sure I look a lot better than you !
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You have said a mouth full (less the punctuation of course :)).
 
Brief update:

So almost a month in, been noticing

-deeper longer sleep
-some nights have crazy wierd dreams, not every night though
-muscles are fuller 24/7
-waist starting to feel slimmed down
-strength slowly going up
-sex drive is a huge plus lol
-hate pinning intra muscular lol
 
Is there really that much of a difference between 4iu 5 days a week to 10iu ED? I know somatotropin is lower grade gh but I ran it for two months and only noticed the effect it has on keeping your waist slim. Nothing in the way of sex drive, quality of sleep, muscle pumps etc.
 
Walkerballer said:
Is there really that much of a difference between 4iu 5 days a week to 10iu ED? I know somatotropin is lower grade gh but I ran it for two months and only noticed the effect it has on keeping your waist slim. Nothing in the way of sex drive, quality of sleep, muscle pumps etc.
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Got to run GH for 6 months or longer to receive the greatest results. Its a long-term answer for growth. It will keep your gains steady while on other stuff, too.
 
fueledpassion said:
Got to run GH for 6 months or longer to receive the greatest results. Its a long-term answer for growth. It will keep your gains steady while on other stuff, too.
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So is the general consensus that gorillamuscle is full of sh*t? Because he hasn't even been running it for a full month yet and is claiming to have seen what seems to be pretty drastic effects.
 
Walkerballer said:
So is the general consensus that gorillamuscle is full of sh*t? Because he hasn't even been running it for a full month yet and is claiming to have seen what seems to be pretty drastic effects.
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What drastic effects? lol

Fueledpassion was saying that it takes around 6 months to notice GROWTH. Which is absoluely true. Is GH enhancing your recovery from day 1? Yep. But its not something like a dianabol when you notice a immediate drastic effect in muscle growth.
 
The self proclaimed "meat head" cracks me up. So sad we have people in society that revel in the fact that they lack intelligence. Guess that's just this day and age (I'm 21, not an old man btw).
 
gorillamuscle said:
What drastic effects? lol

Fueledpassion was saying that it takes around 6 months to notice GROWTH. Which is absoluely true. Is GH enhancing your recovery from day 1? Yep. But its not something like a dianabol when you notice a immediate drastic effect in muscle growth.
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My post sounded a little harsh, I apologize lol. But what I mean is it may take 6 months to notice GROWTH, so is it possible what you are experiencing in the first few weeks is placebo?
 
Walkerballer said:
My post sounded a little harsh, I apologize lol. But what I mean is it may take 6 months to notice GROWTH, so is it possible what you are experiencing in the first few weeks is placebo?
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No. Sleep & recovery are immediately noticeable. But for mass, it takes a long term commitment. I wouldn't ever consider running it less than 6 months at a time and personally would prefer an indefinite, year round dosing.
 
fueledpassion said:
No. Sleep & recovery are immediately noticeable. But for mass, it takes a long term commitment. I wouldn't ever consider running it less than 6 months at a time and personally would prefer an indefinite, year round dosing.
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Mhm. Long term cell proliferation trumps all IMO. $$$ and time is what turns most people off though. $$$ is understandable but time is a stupid excuse. The gym is a lifelong endeavor for me!
 
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