SARMS OD, prelude to Hellabeaster/2X PH!
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SinX
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nah I'm just doing 6 weeks to sick arms again, if you google it should be the first link from bodybuilding dot com by Dr. Jim; for my sarms run I'll be using this and by the time I start PCT, I'm gonna go back to my normal 2 on 2 off heavy. Then when I pre-load for my cycle, I'll be doing a different routine then ultimately switching off an on between upper/lower body and incorporating bits and pieces of two programs.
I'm also doing this fasting protocol that I'm contemplating about dropping, because although I'm good at going a long time without food, insane workouts and doing other things without eating, meaahh I dunno; going from 6-7 meals a day to almost 1-2 with a few snacks here and there, minus a good amount of carbs, eehhh hahah I'm jus saying. But of course, cycle time I'll be stepping it up just a bit, but I don't think I'ma go too crazy again, fck around and gain 40 lbs in less than 4 months. I suppose that was just for winter, but since summer is coming up, trying to get a bit more ripped, but still put on as much as I can.
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Decided to play it a bit safe today and plan on working out legs tomorrow afternoon; it works well for some, but my body doesn't like a leg/back workout day after each other. I had some soup, new england claim chowder with a couple of slices of whole wheat bread. I'll have a protein/fiber bar and some whole grain cheerios before passing out and surprisingly I'm not as moody as before, I mean yeah this protocol still kinda sucks, but it is what it is.
Also, I plan on running this for 6 weeks, so three weeks after this then I'll be pre-loading! I'm looking into several things, but just not sure yet. I saw someone wanted to run epi+sd+trenazone, which caught my attention and of course I'ma figure out a few things with that. Or maybe beast with stano; the main thing always on my mind is libido, so that's the number one thing I'll consult with and although I still have transderm (prob another use of it), I might get something on top of that and a ish load during pct.
Also, I plan on running this for 6 weeks, so three weeks after this then I'll be pre-loading! I'm looking into several things, but just not sure yet. I saw someone wanted to run epi+sd+trenazone, which caught my attention and of course I'ma figure out a few things with that. Or maybe beast with stano; the main thing always on my mind is libido, so that's the number one thing I'll consult with and although I still have transderm (prob another use of it), I might get something on top of that and a ish load during pct.
tyga tyga
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Whatre you after, size and strength? Epi and tren for sure.
ON
Epi 30/40/40/50/50
Trenazone 1/1/2/2/2/2 (mL)
Tudca
.5mg prami
Post cycle
Torem 120/90/90/60
Whatever testboosters you wanna use and a cort control.
Check your pm
SinX
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just signed up with them, I really appreciate that and yes, looking for size, stength and to get more cut. I'm def gonna use this outline and I was thinkin about throwin in some winny too? I'll send ya a PM and we'll figure something out yo; good lookin out with this.
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Dosed up and waiting another 20 or so to the gym a bit earlier and work on my legs; this I do have a normal routine for [nothing special, but works for me], but will change after my sarms run and mini PCT. Although I'm putting a pounding on my arms, there is no way I plan on taking it any easier with me tree trunks. I dunno if I'll have enough time to post everything after my workout, but later tonight, I'll throw a few things up.
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Standard leg day; same workout as posted not too long ago, however, my weights increased by 10lbs at the same amount of reps per exercise. Could I go a bit heavier, absolutely, I just took it easy because working back and legs even 3 days apart sometimes, can cause a bit of trouble in my lower back.
Afterwards, waited a bit of time, had a bit of cereal before going out to dinner. We went to a steakhouse, I had caesar salad and a pretty big cheeseburger, fries; I'll count that as my cheat meal for the week. Since I put that good amount of carbs/calories in, I'll be hitting tri's/bi's tomorrow heavy. Even fasting a great amount of the time, I'm managing to keep it all together and my flip out button hasn't been touched fortunately and it feels like the finger is backing away from the red button. I know it's not from the sarms, but from my natural aggression and my body feinin' food hahah.
Afterwards, waited a bit of time, had a bit of cereal before going out to dinner. We went to a steakhouse, I had caesar salad and a pretty big cheeseburger, fries; I'll count that as my cheat meal for the week. Since I put that good amount of carbs/calories in, I'll be hitting tri's/bi's tomorrow heavy. Even fasting a great amount of the time, I'm managing to keep it all together and my flip out button hasn't been touched fortunately and it feels like the finger is backing away from the red button. I know it's not from the sarms, but from my natural aggression and my body feinin' food hahah.
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Unfortunately I missed the gym today; I had to help my girl with several things and then take care of a few issues myself. I've been doing a decent amount of research and I'm ready to try something new here. A new company called Venom Gate; I will be trying their test/tren transdermal and I will be throwing in epi into the mix. I know I will need a lot more, but before I wrote my final plan I'm gonna work on a few things to make sure I'm fully covered; who knows, if the new sarms comes out soon too Ill throw that in there as well.
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Dosing up and about to mix up my pwo soon, gonna hit tri's/bi's today, much like the first day and I'll make the outline when I get back. Just finally completed the first order of my new cycle. Got some tremendous help from Tyga & Gator, shouts out to them for helping me not only finding these products but setting up a mean outline that I'm hella looking forward to.
Depending on how it treats me throughout the cycle, I'll be able to determine how long I'm gonna stretch these bad boys out.
Test/Tren transdermal: 1.5mg for 8 weeks (if 4-6weeks halfway I wanna go more, I'll extend to 12 weeks; but he said 1.5ml ed is gonna be nice and should see some drastic changes)
Epi (kicker) 1-4 @ 40mg -50mg
Winny Transdermal: last four weeks at 50mg
Of course I will have a good amount on hand: diff peps, supps, ancillaries, multis, protection and assist; I'm speaking around the past few hours and on top of things I'll pick up, a couple of friends are gonna hook it up with a couple peps they have on hand. I'll fully write everything out when that time comes as on here, before I decide on making a new thread or not.
PCT:
TOR 120/90/90/60
TCF 1 per bottle
Formasurge 75/75/75/75/50/50 (mg of formestane)
Unleashed per bottle
DAA 3/3/3
Testapro/Omega Force (Fadogia) -- 1.5g+ ed
Depending on how it treats me throughout the cycle, I'll be able to determine how long I'm gonna stretch these bad boys out.
Test/Tren transdermal: 1.5mg for 8 weeks (if 4-6weeks halfway I wanna go more, I'll extend to 12 weeks; but he said 1.5ml ed is gonna be nice and should see some drastic changes)
Epi (kicker) 1-4 @ 40mg -50mg
Winny Transdermal: last four weeks at 50mg
Of course I will have a good amount on hand: diff peps, supps, ancillaries, multis, protection and assist; I'm speaking around the past few hours and on top of things I'll pick up, a couple of friends are gonna hook it up with a couple peps they have on hand. I'll fully write everything out when that time comes as on here, before I decide on making a new thread or not.
PCT:
TOR 120/90/90/60
TCF 1 per bottle
Formasurge 75/75/75/75/50/50 (mg of formestane)
Unleashed per bottle
DAA 3/3/3
Testapro/Omega Force (Fadogia) -- 1.5g+ ed
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I'm also considering dropping back down to 75 throughout; I'm really liking the results, but the adjustment is becoming an issue again. Especially if I'm laying out in the sun for like 45mins to an 1, come back inside to grab a drink and wow, sometimes I just stop in my tracks and look around like a retarded deer; neck all hunched up, slowing moving left and right hahaha had to make fun of myself on that too; because it's getting to that point.
Oddly enough, do not have any night issues at all; I can see and drive fine, I mean it would suck if I got high beamed for longer than a few secs; but that hasn't happened and doubtfully will. But my endurance has increased quite a bit, I know I'm not doing any crazy cardio, but still feels pretty damn good. Gonna wait just a bit more for everything to kick in before I head out; very excited about what I have planned coming up and I trust it's gonna treat me a lot better than my first stack.
Oddly enough, do not have any night issues at all; I can see and drive fine, I mean it would suck if I got high beamed for longer than a few secs; but that hasn't happened and doubtfully will. But my endurance has increased quite a bit, I know I'm not doing any crazy cardio, but still feels pretty damn good. Gonna wait just a bit more for everything to kick in before I head out; very excited about what I have planned coming up and I trust it's gonna treat me a lot better than my first stack.
SinX
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Nah, it's a bad habit of wanting to top my last or go big the first time; however, with whatever I do, I make sure that I get the best advice I can, research as much as possible and make sure that I'm fully protected. I forgot to log out and just got back from working out; I'll answer your PM in a few.
tyga tyga
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^^ this^^
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some of the best advice I got from fam right here; also for EPI the best things I can find are Brawn, Forged Epi, and Epi Strong. It looks like mixed reviews for all of them and Epi, but lemme know what ya think and one of them is 15mg, so if I went with that could I do 30/45/45/45, I hear hitting 60mg for some is not good at all, but lemme know which one ya like and I'll pick that up. SD is looking tempting, but I'm persuading myself hard not to and order the epi with the other things I plan on getting.
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Just took a look and their sold out on havoc, although I can find RPN Havoc on amazon, I might just pull that, it looks like it's from a legit place with a lot of great reviews. I'm still deciding on whether to add unleashed/forged pct, not sure which one but I already have a good amount. However, I don't mind spending a bit more in PCT to make sure things go smooth; when I purchase everything I'll post it.
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wow between hitting wrong buttons and reading and getting frustrated at my computer and waiting on hold for customer service; I finally got everything together, as well as getting things from my friends.
Depending on when everything comes in, I might cut sarms even earlier and run either a 2/3 week pct; based on the eta of these products.
On-Cycle (First 3 items are Transdermals):
1-8/12 Test @ 1.5ml
1-8/12 Tren @ 1.5.ml
Last 4 weeks Winny
1-4 Epi kick start (40-50)
prami 0.5 (I got 2 40x capsules, should be gtg if I extend)
aromasin 12.5 (eod, should be covered, my friend has plenty leftover)
Cycle Assist (2 bottles; however, I will use the extra supps I have, will list those later)
Orange Triad (I have more than enough liver protection, chose this over Vital Core)
Liver Support 50x count
Aegis (tudca/potent liver protection)
Fish Oils/extra b6/etc/vit c
PCT:
Torem (got 30 and 60mg capsules, so I'll mix and match when the time comes): 120/90/90/60
TCF- 1 (1 bottle)
Formasurge: 75/75/75/75/50/50 (mg of formestane)
DAA Caps: 3/3/3g (will use some for sarms and the remainder here)
Omega Force (Fadogia): 1.5g+ ed
Unleashed/Post Cycle Combo
AI Post Cycle (I will use half of this during my Sarms mini pct then finish the bottle here)
Trib and other herb mixture
Will continue with some on cycle supps such as liver, multi's
Also just for fun I picked up some dapoxetine so I can prevent busting a nut too soon once my test levels soar then get back to normal; as well as tadalafil (I know I normally don't need it nor do I think I'll need it, but I figure I try that to see whas good, just in case some days aren't as good as others; If you have an erection that lasts longer than call more ladies hahah).
I think I have everything listed, I wrote so damn much I'm not sure; but if I see anything I forgot to add, I'll post it up as well. Once again major shout to Tyga (major congratulations and have a great weekend fam, you deserve it!) and Gator for helping me out this, damn I feel mad excited and can't wait to put this to the test....pun or no pun intended.
Depending on when everything comes in, I might cut sarms even earlier and run either a 2/3 week pct; based on the eta of these products.
On-Cycle (First 3 items are Transdermals):
1-8/12 Test @ 1.5ml
1-8/12 Tren @ 1.5.ml
Last 4 weeks Winny
1-4 Epi kick start (40-50)
prami 0.5 (I got 2 40x capsules, should be gtg if I extend)
aromasin 12.5 (eod, should be covered, my friend has plenty leftover)
Cycle Assist (2 bottles; however, I will use the extra supps I have, will list those later)
Orange Triad (I have more than enough liver protection, chose this over Vital Core)
Liver Support 50x count
Aegis (tudca/potent liver protection)
Fish Oils/extra b6/etc/vit c
PCT:
Torem (got 30 and 60mg capsules, so I'll mix and match when the time comes): 120/90/90/60
TCF- 1 (1 bottle)
Formasurge: 75/75/75/75/50/50 (mg of formestane)
DAA Caps: 3/3/3g (will use some for sarms and the remainder here)
Omega Force (Fadogia): 1.5g+ ed
Unleashed/Post Cycle Combo
AI Post Cycle (I will use half of this during my Sarms mini pct then finish the bottle here)
Trib and other herb mixture
Will continue with some on cycle supps such as liver, multi's
Also just for fun I picked up some dapoxetine so I can prevent busting a nut too soon once my test levels soar then get back to normal; as well as tadalafil (I know I normally don't need it nor do I think I'll need it, but I figure I try that to see whas good, just in case some days aren't as good as others; If you have an erection that lasts longer than call more ladies hahah).
I think I have everything listed, I wrote so damn much I'm not sure; but if I see anything I forgot to add, I'll post it up as well. Once again major shout to Tyga (major congratulations and have a great weekend fam, you deserve it!) and Gator for helping me out this, damn I feel mad excited and can't wait to put this to the test....pun or no pun intended.
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My ADD is kicking into overdrive and it seems like I can't get my w/o in; so I'll just sum it up, because I'm sending out PM's and reading other things as well. It was pretty the same tri/bi as the one from two workouts ago; the 10-12 range, with dropsets and negatives. My weights just about stayed the same, if anything my machine bicep cable curl and tri pushdowns are going up and I'm steadying my close grip bench press; if there's no spotter around, I won't go higher than what I know I can do and hold for 2-3 seconds.
Still feeling pretty good despite fasting, carb cutting a lot; my goal is going ahead and I'm dropping just a small bit of weight, which is fine as long as I can drop a few BF points too before I hit this crazy cycle and really dry up, get veiny etc, etc. I'll be happy with a visible 6, but my main goal is to get the 8er rippin and puttin on as much size as I can; so I'll play it by ear and adjust accordingly to goals and expectations.
Still feeling pretty good despite fasting, carb cutting a lot; my goal is going ahead and I'm dropping just a small bit of weight, which is fine as long as I can drop a few BF points too before I hit this crazy cycle and really dry up, get veiny etc, etc. I'll be happy with a visible 6, but my main goal is to get the 8er rippin and puttin on as much size as I can; so I'll play it by ear and adjust accordingly to goals and expectations.
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very hectic day that started 7am and ended about an hour ago; running around not only for business and had to handle things, but taking care of other people as well. Had to miss the gym, but did make it up with a lot of cardio. The customer service and expectations of Venom has been pretty good so far, I got an email confirmation late last night that my package shipped express, should be here Monday-Tuesday and I'll be very much looking forward to starting all of that in a few weeks. Also gotta wait for the other supps; since I ordered them from diff sites and outlets of amazon; hopefully, it won't be longer than a week or so for everything to get here and maybe I'll cut sarms to 5/6 weeks, mini pct 2/3 weeks and all that together with the time off before my sarms run, I have waited long enough to begin my next cycle.
on the other hand with the sarms, I'm gonna give it 2-3 more days to decide whether I'ma drop it back down to 75mg, because now when I drive and the sun is constantly glaring at mt eyes at times it can be a bit much. However, I've been driving around in the dark for the past few hours and didn't have a problem at all; even people with xenon lights, didn't bother that bad compared to day light in around and past noon time. Even though I dropped a few pounds, a friend I haven't seen in awhile said to me that it doesn't look like that I've lost weight this past 4 months when funny enough I've dropped 15 and plan on dropping a bit more and lower BF. Also, I'm starting to retire a couple more shirts, which on a sarms cycle is great enough, but it sucks because I know after the next couple of months I'm gonna need a lot of new clothes, but ay fck it'll be worth it.
on the other hand with the sarms, I'm gonna give it 2-3 more days to decide whether I'ma drop it back down to 75mg, because now when I drive and the sun is constantly glaring at mt eyes at times it can be a bit much. However, I've been driving around in the dark for the past few hours and didn't have a problem at all; even people with xenon lights, didn't bother that bad compared to day light in around and past noon time. Even though I dropped a few pounds, a friend I haven't seen in awhile said to me that it doesn't look like that I've lost weight this past 4 months when funny enough I've dropped 15 and plan on dropping a bit more and lower BF. Also, I'm starting to retire a couple more shirts, which on a sarms cycle is great enough, but it sucks because I know after the next couple of months I'm gonna need a lot of new clothes, but ay fck it'll be worth it.
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weight is still the same sitting around mid 180's and I'ma try to drop down a bit more, osta is helping keep the mass even on days where I eat one/two meals, I still get a great pump and that S4 helps out with muscle hardness, today is the last day of week 4 and things have been going very well.
Just going to do a bit of cardio today and I expect for most of the things to start arriving soon and once I get one or two of my post cycle supports, I'll begin my mini pct (forma, daa, post cycle support). I plan on pre-loading 2 weeks of MT/HB and I will also throw in forged liver support the last week (since that's how many pills I have left). During my cycle and standard pct, as listed I will have a ton of protection for liver, heart and other essential organs.
Just going to do a bit of cardio today and I expect for most of the things to start arriving soon and once I get one or two of my post cycle supports, I'll begin my mini pct (forma, daa, post cycle support). I plan on pre-loading 2 weeks of MT/HB and I will also throw in forged liver support the last week (since that's how many pills I have left). During my cycle and standard pct, as listed I will have a ton of protection for liver, heart and other essential organs.
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45mins of cardio and plan on going for another walk this evening. Still have to wait another couple of hours till my feeding window opens up and I'll try and sneak in 2/3 light and good meals within that time; usually I get lazy and hit 1-2 bit meals and over do it, but it feels just right as after a good workout and mma training, I don't get fully nauseous anymore, just a little dizzy and goes away after eating 1.5-2hrs later.
Starting to get a bit more cut on my sides and I think that will be one of the main areas of focus during my ab trainings from now on; I see ppl tilting db's in their hands to one side then another, if my back allowed that I would try it, but I'll find something to make up for it. Usually when I do my standing leg raises, I'll throw in a variation of twists and when I do my normal crunches, sometimes I throw bows 10 times a set. Side raises treat me just right one day, and sometimes they tweak my lower back out.
Other than that, libido is up, woke up this morning with a smile on my face; although my girl wasn't really in the mood, still feeling full from last night I just had to pretend I was jumping into an ice bath, because rubbing up against her wasn't making it any easier hahah. Today, some a few visual disturbances, I think I'm just down playing it a lot in my mind, due to my love of sarms, but damn sometimes it's overbearing and fckin annoying.
Despite feeling great, strong libido, no bloat or major joint usses I will still run a mini pct, instead of going right into preloading. If everything comes in by this week, I'll end my sarms run at 5 weeks and do 2 weeks; however, if everything comes in week after next, I'll be at 6 weeks and do 3 weeks.
Also, I should be able to upload pics by now (if not, I'll find out what's good with that) and I want to snap a few pics of the havoc I'm receiving just to make sure its gtg and I'll try to take a snap of everything I'm about to run.
Starting to get a bit more cut on my sides and I think that will be one of the main areas of focus during my ab trainings from now on; I see ppl tilting db's in their hands to one side then another, if my back allowed that I would try it, but I'll find something to make up for it. Usually when I do my standing leg raises, I'll throw in a variation of twists and when I do my normal crunches, sometimes I throw bows 10 times a set. Side raises treat me just right one day, and sometimes they tweak my lower back out.
Other than that, libido is up, woke up this morning with a smile on my face; although my girl wasn't really in the mood, still feeling full from last night I just had to pretend I was jumping into an ice bath, because rubbing up against her wasn't making it any easier hahah. Today, some a few visual disturbances, I think I'm just down playing it a lot in my mind, due to my love of sarms, but damn sometimes it's overbearing and fckin annoying.
Despite feeling great, strong libido, no bloat or major joint usses I will still run a mini pct, instead of going right into preloading. If everything comes in by this week, I'll end my sarms run at 5 weeks and do 2 weeks; however, if everything comes in week after next, I'll be at 6 weeks and do 3 weeks.
Also, I should be able to upload pics by now (if not, I'll find out what's good with that) and I want to snap a few pics of the havoc I'm receiving just to make sure its gtg and I'll try to take a snap of everything I'm about to run.
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I know I've been slacking writing my diet here, so this is what I plan on having really soon for the next 8 hours and I'm gonna try something different here and see how it works tomorrow; low sodium chicken soup, hour later peanut butter/nutella sandwich (2x), hour later fiber cereal and bar wait around 2 hours or so for that to digest then, jack daniels pulled pork (I know, I know.....but still) and then the last thing I'll put in is a protein shake where I mix it diff fruits, powder, peanut butter, ice cream (low fat/sugar), yogurt and a few other things.
Usually on my off days I don't eat this much, not even close, but I wanted to up my numbers just a little bit and for some reason I'm just feelin mad hungry! When I'm in full swing with my cycle, I'm gonna contemplate if I should still hit up 16/8; I know the results will be amazing, but I'll just have to gauge my body; and like a blind man in an orgy, I gotta feel my way around (RIP Leslie Nielsen).
Usually on my off days I don't eat this much, not even close, but I wanted to up my numbers just a little bit and for some reason I'm just feelin mad hungry! When I'm in full swing with my cycle, I'm gonna contemplate if I should still hit up 16/8; I know the results will be amazing, but I'll just have to gauge my body; and like a blind man in an orgy, I gotta feel my way around (RIP Leslie Nielsen).
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Been a few rough days and haven't been able to get on till recently; going through some personal things that come outta left field and since my last post I haven't worked out since. But fck all that sad ish, I'ma get over that soon, and since I pretty much got everything in the mail I'm going to start my mini pct now (most likely just 2 weeks no more than 3) and then start my pre-load. Still waiting on something major, but hopefully that won't take too much longer and then the fun will begin.
I got my transdermals in the mail and after opening them to check it out, some of the liquid got onto my hands and forearms; didn't look like a major burst, so I won't email them but looks like just a little was lost when I'm stacking the bottles, no biggy at all though and I can't wait to try this and see how well it stands up to my previous cycle. I have a very good feeling though and since I'm already getting very good gains and cut on sarms, I can't imagine how well this is going to work. So in about 4 or so weeks time from now gonna start that and will def keep everyone posted as transdermals may be equivalent or perhaps better than the real thing. Despite the first four week epi kick, after that it'll be all trans on cycle from that point of week 4 to either 8/12.
I'll post my leg workout in a bit as well.
I got my transdermals in the mail and after opening them to check it out, some of the liquid got onto my hands and forearms; didn't look like a major burst, so I won't email them but looks like just a little was lost when I'm stacking the bottles, no biggy at all though and I can't wait to try this and see how well it stands up to my previous cycle. I have a very good feeling though and since I'm already getting very good gains and cut on sarms, I can't imagine how well this is going to work. So in about 4 or so weeks time from now gonna start that and will def keep everyone posted as transdermals may be equivalent or perhaps better than the real thing. Despite the first four week epi kick, after that it'll be all trans on cycle from that point of week 4 to either 8/12.
I'll post my leg workout in a bit as well.
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got distracted and had to head out and handle a few things, but the last time I worked out was legs and damn that was a great day.
Seated Leg Press:
Single Leg to warm up Left: 80x15/100x10 twice Right: 80x15x100x10 (I've noticed a bit that my left leg is a bit stronger than my right, but I'm gonna even that out).
Double Legged: 220x15/260x10/280x10/300x8 (wanted to go a lot more here, but I'm holding back a bit for next time)
Leg Curl: 50x15 (warmup) 95x10/110x8 twice
Hip Adduction then Abduction (same weights for both exercises): 50x20 (warmup) 80x15/125x10/140x8 (I think it was the release of serotonin, but I felt high and goofy like a mothafckah when I started to walk around and stretch a bit).
DB Calf Raise: 35x15/50x10/60x10/70x8 (think I gotta treat these like shrugs and go with heavier weights from the jump off)
Hit the stair master for 10 mins and after that felt like baby deer legs trying to cross a a bed of frozen water; hahah felt good though and unfortunately I got hit with some bad news during my w/o so it's been a few days as I'm trying to put things back together, but if it don't happen. not the worse thing that can happen and since I just about got everything I need for my mini pct I started that today as well.
Week 1:
Formastanzol: First 3 days 4 pumps am/pm, after that 3 pumps am/pm for the rest of the week
DAA: 3G
Testopro: 2 caps 2x day (only have enough for 6 days)
Post Cycle (as per, when I get that tomorrow)
Week 2:
Formastanzol: 2 pumps am/pm and by the end of the week 1 pump am/pm
DAA: 3G
Testopro: 2 caps 2x day (only have enough for 6 days)
Post Cycle (as per)
I don't think I'll need a week 3 here, but we'll see what's good by the midway through week 2 and play it by ear; I def don't feel any suppression at all, other than lack of sleep (I just think from stressin for no reason and overworking things in my head) I have 0 complains and not dosing s4 today, eased my vision just a tad, not a lot, just a fraction and I'll take what I can get with that at times.
Seated Leg Press:
Single Leg to warm up Left: 80x15/100x10 twice Right: 80x15x100x10 (I've noticed a bit that my left leg is a bit stronger than my right, but I'm gonna even that out).
Double Legged: 220x15/260x10/280x10/300x8 (wanted to go a lot more here, but I'm holding back a bit for next time)
Leg Curl: 50x15 (warmup) 95x10/110x8 twice
Hip Adduction then Abduction (same weights for both exercises): 50x20 (warmup) 80x15/125x10/140x8 (I think it was the release of serotonin, but I felt high and goofy like a mothafckah when I started to walk around and stretch a bit).
DB Calf Raise: 35x15/50x10/60x10/70x8 (think I gotta treat these like shrugs and go with heavier weights from the jump off)
Hit the stair master for 10 mins and after that felt like baby deer legs trying to cross a a bed of frozen water; hahah felt good though and unfortunately I got hit with some bad news during my w/o so it's been a few days as I'm trying to put things back together, but if it don't happen. not the worse thing that can happen and since I just about got everything I need for my mini pct I started that today as well.
Week 1:
Formastanzol: First 3 days 4 pumps am/pm, after that 3 pumps am/pm for the rest of the week
DAA: 3G
Testopro: 2 caps 2x day (only have enough for 6 days)
Post Cycle (as per, when I get that tomorrow)
Week 2:
Formastanzol: 2 pumps am/pm and by the end of the week 1 pump am/pm
DAA: 3G
Testopro: 2 caps 2x day (only have enough for 6 days)
Post Cycle (as per)
I don't think I'll need a week 3 here, but we'll see what's good by the midway through week 2 and play it by ear; I def don't feel any suppression at all, other than lack of sleep (I just think from stressin for no reason and overworking things in my head) I have 0 complains and not dosing s4 today, eased my vision just a tad, not a lot, just a fraction and I'll take what I can get with that at times.
peter01
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Sin, did you notice any estrogen sides during any of your sarms runs? I've read some logs stating that osta may cause a rise in estrogen and that the forma should be used on cycle as well to control that. I'm sure it depends on dosage and cycle length, but just curious if its something to be considered.
SinX
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Thanks bro I appreciate that and thank God that health is not an issue; just a few things where I got relocated and my girls not feeling it, being on a contract I'm here for a bit of time no matter what and she really wants to go back home, so either way looks like I'm walking from someone/something soon and although I've been there quite a few times recently and a lot more before, dunno why but sometimes it's easier than others.
Hahaha yeah man I gotta say though, I'm almost positive it's placebo for the first time, but after like 20 odd minutes or so, I felt mad high and had a lot of energy. Even from the lack of sleep, it felt like I had a big ass energy drink; whether it was that or was in my head, just gettin hella anxious over here.
SinX
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Nah I never noticed an amount of estrogen like that, running just sarms. Whether it was s4/osta or s4/osta/1ad stack and/or s4/osta/mk667 twice; never had major issues. In terms of libido, bloat, never had a problem. I can't determine if it's from over training at times or stress or what I'm eating, but I have been lacking sleep this past week (I really think it's just what's on my mind), but I don't want it to be a habit otherwise or otherwise I'll start losing.
I've seen quite a bit from certain ppl they'll run forma 10 pumps am/pm while on cycle and during pct; depending on what you're trying to do, I don't think those are proper uses for forma. I know anything 10+ it becomes anabolic; however, if you plan on using it for PCT I would a bit less and then taper down. Some cats will run it at the same dose the whole time through, I almost did the first time a long time ago, but I got hit with some good advice and hasn't let me down since.
To give you an example starting my mini today, I'll do 8 (4am/4pm)pumps today for the first 3 days, then work down to 6 (3am/3pm) for the rest of the week. Then slowly within reason drop it down and then get off it; however, with a standard PCT after ph/ds, I'll use it two weeks after I stop using my serm, to prevent E rebound.
peter01
Member
Yeah i figured either a loved one is not doing well or trouble with the lady.
Look i got married young. Going on 14 years. Trust me, life is gonna throw some sick **** at you.
You gotta ask yourself...If your girl can't stick by your side for a few more months, can she stick by you when sh*t really hits the fan?
Having said that, give her some time to think. She may come around.
Look i got married young. Going on 14 years. Trust me, life is gonna throw some sick **** at you.
You gotta ask yourself...If your girl can't stick by your side for a few more months, can she stick by you when sh*t really hits the fan?
Having said that, give her some time to think. She may come around.
peter01
Member
Good deal. thanks for clearing that up. I must have come across some logs when it first came out and ppl were testing it out.
SinX
Active member
Very true and I hear ya a while back I was almost married, but just didn't workout near the end and oh yes man def had a good amount thrown at me so far, but I'll never given up and since this is not the 10th time has happened, I always say the same thing, when the first bit of turbulence comes and they bail out, ain't worth it and trying not to let it get to me after a few more days and I'm not gonna push her at all, she's a big girl and things will work itself out one way or another.
SinX
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No worries, that and prob some ppl will post blood work from awhile ago claiming the same thing; however, with more blood work coming back without any suppression, it all comes down to dose/length/pct. I think I read one log, couple years back, buddy stacked osta at 25 for 8 weeks and s4 (which is even more suppressive in my opinion that osta) at 100-150 for 8 weeks and didn't do PCT, because someone told him that was not required, smh but after that and after seeing others blood results there wasn't another one that came across the radar like that.
Also I wanted to edit that last bit, after finishing a proper cycle, I use forma from the start of PCT till two weeks past I finish using my serm.
SinX
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Unfortunately still haven't worked out yet, second day of PCT and things are going pretty good; still working on a few things, but it is what it is. Minus one order, I got everything in and in a few weeks time we'll let the fun begin. Not a lot to post, still keeping to my regiment and getting more cut, don't mind losing a couple more pounds to get that more ripped and then let it blast on cyc.
jakethegreat0
New member
Hey this is my first time posting anything and I just had a question about if Tamoxifen Citrate 20 mg/mL - 30 mL?Is a good PCT for a 6 week cycle of epistane the dosing for the epi is tel:20/30/30/30/40/50. And as far as the post cycle 20/20/10/10 if the tamoxifen is a good choice
SinX
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I'm between 186-189, since I haven't worked out or anything like that I know I put a few more lbs on. Still tryna cut a bit more, but until I can get back into my routine, it is what it is at the moment.
I know bro I'm gonna try and keep things fresh, but those pre-loading weeks suck, I almost just wanna do 1 week, I dunno we'll see what's good, but this mini pct, although it just started will go by quickly.
SinX
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Welcome to the forum and if you haven't picked up tamox yet, I would suggest either torem or even clomid; these two are easier and less toxic on your body. However, you can use nolva if you want and that's the standard dose I go with. That's not the only thing in your PCT right? Throw in DAA, a test booster, an AI and you're good to go. If you have any questions please feel free to PM me and I got you.
SinX
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Still haven't hit the gym and if I'm not there by the weekend, mon is my no exception day. Day 3 of mini pct and things are going very well so far, I didn't feel suppressed one bit during that time, but now my libido is running a lot higher and my skin is a bit oily. About to go out in a lil bit and I feel another maybe another cheat meal is in order.
I was really, really excited about the new sarm; but after reading the product details, I've decided to hold off and read a couple of logs first before hitting that up. I'm just not sure what to make of it compared to a standard PH (seeing how you need a proper PCT on top of certain sides and possibly liver toxicity). Since the results may vary on doses, I'll read around, but even waiting a long time for this and the short amount of time I've read about these new transdermals I have, I'm much more excited with these bad boys and hopefully they'll just as good if not better.
I was really, really excited about the new sarm; but after reading the product details, I've decided to hold off and read a couple of logs first before hitting that up. I'm just not sure what to make of it compared to a standard PH (seeing how you need a proper PCT on top of certain sides and possibly liver toxicity). Since the results may vary on doses, I'll read around, but even waiting a long time for this and the short amount of time I've read about these new transdermals I have, I'm much more excited with these bad boys and hopefully they'll just as good if not better.
SinX
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whas good brotha, well had to take care of what I had to take care of and after I sent back a few PMs, I'll post what's been goin on and yeah fortunately I managed to hit 2 days outta almost a week hahah not good at all and as of tomorrow I will be on a new more strict routine.
SinX
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going to be doing several posts here so please mind that, but I will make each one short and readable instead of one long nauseating paragraph. Been slacking on my PCT a bit, so I started it up again after missing a few days and plan on extending it for the time I missed. All my PCT has been is forma (slowly dropping back on sprays), some DAA and post cycle. Haven't noticed any issues, even during any extremely stressful past several days, no emotional flip outs, libido/energy is still up and I'm just taking everything for what it's worth and to still play it on the semi safe side, I'ma continue my PCT till thurs/fri or so.
I also will be doing a 1 week pre-load intensive preload instead of 2 weeks, because now I'm ansty and wanting to really do some damage (not just entirely to my vital organs hahah). Everything came in so I'm really excited to start this up and hopefully the results will be as promising as the hype. Had to let someone go, in order to keep what I have going on and I know things will come around in the end when I'm done with what I gotta do here and then move on.
Regardless, I'll use everything I have in me so push harder that one more rep and now have no excuses to completely tear and break ish up like never before. In a few moments I'll post my workouts so far and what I plan on doing next.
I also will be doing a 1 week pre-load intensive preload instead of 2 weeks, because now I'm ansty and wanting to really do some damage (not just entirely to my vital organs hahah). Everything came in so I'm really excited to start this up and hopefully the results will be as promising as the hype. Had to let someone go, in order to keep what I have going on and I know things will come around in the end when I'm done with what I gotta do here and then move on.
Regardless, I'll use everything I have in me so push harder that one more rep and now have no excuses to completely tear and break ish up like never before. In a few moments I'll post my workouts so far and what I plan on doing next.
SinX
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Since my workouts were a few days off of each other, I know I'm more than rested and will start up on shoulders and continue from there until I start my cyc. I managed to hit chest/tri's then back/bi's a few days ago and looking at my numbers, the exercises and strength stayed the same, surprisingly my endurance has gone up a bit and was able to push a few more reps out.
Going moderately heavy during PCT to keep gains and alternate between that, then during my week of pre-load, I'm gonna keep a steady pace before ramping it the fck up into turbo mode. Still plan on cutting down on the forma and maybe double down on the test boosters to speed it up a bit and start load and cleanse. I'm also going to set up a new schedule for myself and as long as I can keep pushing myself, I think I'll hit some incredible results and I will share as much as I can.
Going moderately heavy during PCT to keep gains and alternate between that, then during my week of pre-load, I'm gonna keep a steady pace before ramping it the fck up into turbo mode. Still plan on cutting down on the forma and maybe double down on the test boosters to speed it up a bit and start load and cleanse. I'm also going to set up a new schedule for myself and as long as I can keep pushing myself, I think I'll hit some incredible results and I will share as much as I can.
SinX
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gonna hit shoulders in a few and when I get back I'll post my workout; gonna try something new today and we'll see whas good with that. Like an idiot I missed my first forma and test boost, but I'll just double down later tonight on top of DAA and maybe run it through the rest of the week. No sides or problems and the vision bs has completely disappeared last week.
SinX
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Interesting day, I doubled down on the cycle support and hit up 2 squirts of forma and I plan on using maybe 1-2 more before bed. Hit the shoulders and alls I gotta say is damn.
I tried a new exercise today that I saw on youtube and I realized key isn't heavy weight, but slow controlled motion as much as you can. I don't know the name of the routine, but it almost looks like a front shoulder raise, however there's a twist variation and after the straight arm position, you slowly open up your chest and slowly extend your arm and stretch it out to the other side of your body (IMPORTANT NOT TO LOCK YOUR ARM)
35x15 (last rep, it burned I had to let a laugh out, I knew it was gonna be a good day) 30x20/25x30
Cable Front Shoulder Raise (extra tension) -- 10x15/15x10 twice/20x8
Cable Cross Rear Delt -- same weights as above
Seated DB Shoulder Press -- 35x10 (felt a tweak, prob didn't rest enough, gave it a few minutes and although the weight wasn't heavy I was shaking a bit) 40x10/45x8... I've definitely done a lot heavier weights, but I guess I got semi hesitant and decided to hit the shoulder raise machine to compensate.
Machine Shoulder Raise -- 50x20/75x15/85x10 twice (wanted to go heavier, but I talked myself out of it)
Shrugs (there's a new version I wanted to try, but looks like it hits lats more, so I did the standard crab hold and next time I'll try out the new form). 50x20/75x10 twice/85x8; burn burn burn burn, burn.
After that I think I rested all of 30 seconds before I went into my circuit and didn't even get tired one bit, felt very damn good and even though I'm not on sarms, feels like my strength and endurance has gone up like whoa. I'm already getting the magical question again and I haven't even started to begin, let the fun begin. Spoke to my girl today and she's doing a lot better back home and although I can't tell, I can hear a smile in her voice and well, we'll see what happens afterwards when I leave this spot; until then I'ma Bruce Wayne John Mcclane it.
I tried a new exercise today that I saw on youtube and I realized key isn't heavy weight, but slow controlled motion as much as you can. I don't know the name of the routine, but it almost looks like a front shoulder raise, however there's a twist variation and after the straight arm position, you slowly open up your chest and slowly extend your arm and stretch it out to the other side of your body (IMPORTANT NOT TO LOCK YOUR ARM)
35x15 (last rep, it burned I had to let a laugh out, I knew it was gonna be a good day) 30x20/25x30
Cable Front Shoulder Raise (extra tension) -- 10x15/15x10 twice/20x8
Cable Cross Rear Delt -- same weights as above
Seated DB Shoulder Press -- 35x10 (felt a tweak, prob didn't rest enough, gave it a few minutes and although the weight wasn't heavy I was shaking a bit) 40x10/45x8... I've definitely done a lot heavier weights, but I guess I got semi hesitant and decided to hit the shoulder raise machine to compensate.
Machine Shoulder Raise -- 50x20/75x15/85x10 twice (wanted to go heavier, but I talked myself out of it)
Shrugs (there's a new version I wanted to try, but looks like it hits lats more, so I did the standard crab hold and next time I'll try out the new form). 50x20/75x10 twice/85x8; burn burn burn burn, burn.
After that I think I rested all of 30 seconds before I went into my circuit and didn't even get tired one bit, felt very damn good and even though I'm not on sarms, feels like my strength and endurance has gone up like whoa. I'm already getting the magical question again and I haven't even started to begin, let the fun begin. Spoke to my girl today and she's doing a lot better back home and although I can't tell, I can hear a smile in her voice and well, we'll see what happens afterwards when I leave this spot; until then I'ma Bruce Wayne John Mcclane it.
SinX
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Also still stuck on my 16/8 protocol and I have a feeling that will change soon, this was the first time eating before the gym and although I felt a bit full, didn't feel like it held me back one bit. Protein/fiber is still high, carbs are slightly upped depending on ishy I feel and I'm keeping my calories around 2500 so I'm just trying to keep what I got at this point and although I'm pretty ripped I'm gonna go all out and go for that drier than a martini look hahah