justdoit40
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For a natty high energy teen with a year experience would 90-100 sets total a week be way too much? 40-45 for legs and 45-55 for upper body? Prob 25-35 of them are iso if it helps
90-100 sets a week too much volume?
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napalm
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justdoit40 said:
In a word, yes that's too much. Pick a proven program, don't just throw a bunch of crap in and call it training.
Even though you have a year under your belt, your still a novice. Pick up Rippetoe's book Starting Strength. You'll make good gains on it for at least 6 months before having to move on to an intermediate program.
This goes for your 'should I cut even though a stiff breeze would blow me over' thread also:
You're at a time in your life where you will get the most benefit from both your training and nutrition. Take advantage of it. Train and eat, eat and train. But do it smart, pick a proven program and follow it to the letter.
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boogyman
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agreed. Also, don't be offended by aggressive answers to any questions. Tons of people ask advice, and when given good advice ignore it. There are lots of knowledgeable people on this board (napalm, zir red, rodja, among others) with lots of experience. Use that if its given.
I think at you age you should basically eat big and lift for strength. The base strength you gain now will serve you well your entire life whatever your future goals are. Squat, deads, bench, overhead press and barbell rows with dips and pullups are your best tools. Learn your weaknesses and use some accessory lifts to help correct them. Read and continue to ask questions.
OnionKnight
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i would agree with napalm and say yes. but at the same time, ive done layne nortons phat routine for 5 months at one point, and thats about 100 sets a week or so. point is, its still a well balanced routine, where a custom made on usually isnt
PROness
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When I first started lifting for mass at age 18 I was performing anywhere from 150-180 sets per week when bulking using the push/pull/legs split. Add in some super/tri/giant sets and it's a piece of cake. Of course I was force fed weightlifting from a young age so maybe that's how I can tolerate it.
justdoit40
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I have done ss for 4 months gained alot of strength. Yes i wanna be huge when i'm older. And i know it takes time. But until then why should i suffer looking fat?
Rodja
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You're skinny-fat. Take care of the skinny part and it will change the perception of the fat.
justdoit40
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My original plan was bulk till fat cut till lean bulk till fat etc etc i originally wanted go get to 180 first before cutting should i do that?
Rodja
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The problem with that is each of those goals are subjective and ambiguous. Goals need to be measurable in order for you to make a quantifiable assessment. Using terms like "fat" or "lean" doesn't give you a concise goal that allow you to measure your progress. Decide on some tangible goals that be taken at certain intervals to assess whether or not you need to change diet, training, etc.
napalm
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justdoit40 said:
The roller coaster ride is unnecessary . If you eat clean, eat a lot, train hard and get adequate recovery the rest will take care of itself.
What concerns me more is that you have completely ignored the "proven program" suggestion. This is extremely important.
Don't try to do it on your own, learn from what others have gone through...
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justdoit40
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I have done proven programs. I have done ss and then moved into 5,3,1 and then into a push/pull/legs. and now i feel i can try something myself. I'm a teenager. I wanna look as best as possible right now. The problem with these "proven" programs is they have minimal flexibility. What if i feel that an exercise doesn't work for me. I understand those programs are proven and have worked very well for many people. But everyone is different. I feel that what might work for someone wont work for someone else. And also what if i have an injury of some sort where i can't do push presses , etc then those programs aren't at full effect and you need to moderate the program therefore it is no longer the "proven" program it once was. Just my opinion.
Rodja
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At 16, I can tell you for a fact that you don't have the experience base to truly make educated opinions regarding training. You're too young to have any clue as to what does or does not work for you.
boogyman
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5-3-1 is extremely flexible, thats one of its most attractive features. And squats, dead, benching and standing presses work for EVERYONE.
justdoit40
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boogyman
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Those are solid gains.
napalm
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justdoit40 said:
Caloric excess is a repeating theme in SS. With only a 10 lb gain, you weren't eating enough.
Please post a vid of your squat so we can take a look at it, my spidey senses are going off.
If your form is solid, I'd recommend 531 for all it's worth, reset, rinse and repeat
In theory, you could run 531 until you're 18. By then you should have gained enough muscular body weight to have a solid base. Then you can reevaluate based on your goals...
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justdoit40
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300 calories over maintenance. Gained hardly any fat? 2.5 lbs of muscle a month? With hardly any fat gains? I'm sorry was i doing something wrong? I prob coulda kept running it and seeing more and more gains but that is my own mistake i can fess up to. I started 5/3/1. Way too confusing for me just being honest.
napalm
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justdoit40 said:
There's really no reason to stop SS if you're making gains at this point. Run it till it stops working and then transition to 531. I ran 8 cycles of 531 before I reset.
If you take your weight and multiply it by 22 you get about 3200 cals. That's what you should be shooting for. You WILL get bigger and stronger getting that many cals and following a good program to the letter.
Proper nutrition is fundamental to gains...
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