Gyno research/ Can androgens help gyno

FL3X MAGNUM said:
I can't believe he recommended such a long run. Are you on trt?
Also with it being a 40 year problem I couldn't see it doing much for you.
A couple year problem maybe, but not 40.
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Tell that to Eric. The study they did in Italy was with boys was 6 months of DHT injections. I'm not on trt, but do take boosters. Still crank out my own little swimmers!
 
romangod said:
Androlean - 6 capsules each morning. No Change in size of tissue mass. I am 58 and have had this for 40 years, but still, tissue that attracts estrogen should have been blocked including fat cells. As far as strength and leaning out, not worth the journey! By the by, I am 12% bf, so I'm not some lardy lifter complaining about his fat titties.
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6 months at that dose I can't believe he said that was good for you either
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
I can't believe he recommended such a long run. Are you on trt?
Also with it being a 40 year problem I couldn't see it doing much for you.
A couple year problem maybe, but not 40.
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Yeah I think it being a problem for that long that the only option would be surgery
 
romangod said:
Tell that to Eric. The study they did in Italy was with boys was 6 months of DHT injections. I'm not on trt, but do take boosters. Still crank out my own little swimmers!
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This is a study and they were probably monitored by a doctor on a weekly basis
 
6 Androleans had minimal effect on major health parameters when I had a client run it for 16 weeks -- in fact his testosterone levels slightly increased and there was zero suppression or any noteworthy health precautions that were out of range.

-Matt
 
MattPorter said:
6 Androleans had minimal effect on major health parameters when I had a client run it for 16 weeks -- in fact his testosterone levels slightly increased and there was zero suppression or any noteworthy health precautions that were out of range.

-Matt
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OK I understand androlean is the lightest product that PP had on the Andro line. But still 6 months seems a bit long. I mean I saw that it was recommended to do 8 week runs and sometimes 12 weeks
 
gymguy21 said:
OK I understand androlean is the lightest product that PP had on the Andro line. But still 6 months seems a bit long. I mean I saw that it was recommended to do 8 week runs and sometimes 12 weeks
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Yea we would always play it safe with the recommendations (for the most part) -- but after 3 peoples blood work blowing my mind with no sign of suppression of hpta function -- it made me think that A.) this compound is extremely weak and perhaps the anti estrogenic/anti dht properties cause a testosterone spike of some sort OR B.) The once-a-day dosing really proved to be a lifesaver for running prolonged cycles with no suppression of HPTA with already mild compounds...

It was interesting to say the least.

-Matt
 
If your intention is to hold on to the gains as long as possible, use BULK-UP. I've heard of A LOT of guys using AF products to hold on to their gains after doing test.
 
MattPorter said:
Yea we would always play it safe with the recommendations (for the most part) -- but after 3 peoples blood work blowing my mind with no sign of suppression of hpta function -- it made me think that A.) this compound is extremely weak and perhaps the anti estrogenic/anti dht properties cause a testosterone spike of some sort OR B.) The once-a-day dosing really proved to be a lifesaver for running prolonged cycles with no suppression of HPTA with already mild compounds...

It was interesting to say the least.

-Matt
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No signs of suppression is cool but was everything else good as well?
 
Yes -- that would be bridging or transitioning into a lighter hormonal environment attempting to hang on to gains...or you call this cruising....

As long as blood work is solid -- you can do this just fine.

-Matt
 
testosteronet said:
Androlean was not the DHT precursor, maybe that's why he saw no gyno reduction? Should've been Androhard.
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Yeah I was wondering the same thing and I guess I over looked it the first time I read his post. But yeah I've only heard of androhard and stano comparisons
 
Androfactory said:
If your intention is to hold on to the gains as long as possible, use BULK-UP. I've heard of A LOT of guys using AF products to hold on to their gains after doing test.
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Yes I would like to keep gains but I mean how much is it gonna cost versus benefit. You know
 
MattPorter said:
Yes -- that would be bridging or transitioning into a lighter hormonal environment attempting to hang on to gains...or you call this cruising....

As long as blood work is solid -- you can do this just fine.

-Matt
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Yeah I still need to make that convo happen with the doc about getting a full panel done.
 
That's right. As we age the gland tissue becomes less dense, but easily intertwined with fat cells. It's a conundrum and a pisser.
 
this is why andro factory products are some of the best ph/ds to use they are safer you don't get super shutdown down and you still get the gains as they bros call it
 
gymguy21 said:
Is a full pct necessary with Androfactory PH's ?
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In terms of SERM usage I would say that depends on the dosage and duration.
6 weeks or under, follow an OTC pct.
Anything over, I would suggest a SERM.
However with that being said, the once a day dosage was designed to give your body a break every night, in attempt to bit completely shut you down.
So an AF cycle would not be as suppressive as something else.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
In terms of SERM usage I would say that depends on the dosage and duration.
6 weeks or under, follow an OTC pct.
Anything over, I would suggest a SERM.
However with that being said, the once a day dosage was designed to give your body a break every night, in attempt to bit completely shut you down.
So an AF cycle would not be as suppressive as something else.
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OK cool I looked up one of the cycle result in the Androfactory section. The guy gained 22 lbs over the cycle. Pretty impressive but I've also seen threads about comparable PP products and those results weren't that good.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
In terms of SERM usage I would say that depends on the dosage and duration.
6 weeks or under, follow an OTC pct.
Anything over, I would suggest a SERM.
However with that being said, the once a day dosage was designed to give your body a break every night, in attempt to bit completely shut you down.
So an AF cycle would not be as suppressive as something else.
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So you say its not as suppressive but what about gains? Are they comparable to methyl's? Strength gains good?
 
Rhadam said:
Reverse gyno? Is this some sort of joke?

If DHEA will get rid of breast tissue from anabolics i'll eat my own feces.
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Dude this andro factory has been making outrageous claims. They had a tread claiming dhea will increase natty levels of test to like 2700ng/dl.
 
gymguy21 said:
So what did you ever end up doing about the gyno you had? Anything yet?
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I am trying to find a topical that may impact fat cells directly. Fat chance! My gyno is 40 years old and mostly stroma tissue which is similar to scar tissue. When this happens fat cells become interwoven with the stroma tissue. I am 13% bf overall, so it is hard to get at this area without going anorexic.
 
superbeast668 said:
Dude this andro factory has been making outrageous claims. They had a tread claiming dhea will increase natty levels of test to like 2700ng/dl.
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I'm well aware of Primordial Performance's outlandish claims... but eliminating gyno through DHEA really takes the cake. This is a new low in the supplement industry, an industry known for bottom of the barrel ethics and practices.
 
Rhadam said:
I'm well aware of Primordial Performance's outlandish claims... but eliminating gyno through DHEA really takes the cake. This is a new low in the supplement industry, an industry known for bottom of the barrel ethics and practices.
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You are confusing me or you are confused. I know I have read before and someone in this thread brought up dht being used to reduce gyno. Are you saying that's not true or are you saying their dhea couldn't convert to dht?
 
Rhadam said:
I'm well aware of Primordial Performance's outlandish claims... but eliminating gyno through DHEA really takes the cake. This is a new low in the supplement industry, an industry known for bottom of the barrel ethics and practices.
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A low how? Backing claims with real world proof and studies on gyno prevention through DHT therapy is anything but a low.
Should I accuse your company of being low because you feel the need to attack another company with no evidence to back it?
I don't do that, because I choose to remain professional.
 
How bout somebody man up and just state the facts? Is there a topical DHT or a topical DHEA that converts to DHT that can reduce gyno?
 
SPS said:
You are confusing me or you are confused. I know I have read before and someone in this thread brought up dht being used to reduce gyno. Are you saying that's not true or are you saying their dhea couldn't convert to dht?
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I've used Androhard twice to reduce gyno that was caused from aromatizing compounds.
The idea of running a DHT for 6 months to remove a long term case of gyno (over 5 years, right?) is very far fetched, and I will never recommend it. But short term gyno can be treated, and there are many people here who can testify to that.
The choice to try it is the consumer's.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
I've used Androhard twice to reduce gyno that was caused from aromatizing compounds.
The idea of running a DHT for 6 months to remove a long term case of gyno (over 5 years, right?) is very far fetched, and I will never recommend it. But short term gyno can be treated, and there are many people here who can testify to that.
The choice to try it is the consumer's.
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Thanks bro. I was taken on a royal ride via PP about 12 months ago.
 
Reduce =/= eliminate. Reduce =/= remove. Reduce =/= reverse.

Let's call a spade a spade here. PP... sorry, i mean "Andro Factory" is citing DHEA for something that will compete or be better than pharmaceutical grade chemicals. I am well aware of the research behind DHT and gyno reduction, but it seems to me that PP's marketing tactics here are trying to convince consumers that their DHEA blend could possibly reverse gyno.

What exactly do you mean by reverse? To me, that means elimination of tissue. If you want to clarify, and lay your cards on the table I would be grateful. This isn't an attack, this is a consumer trying to get to the bottom of an important issue facing the majority of AAS users.

Edit: And nice editing of the thread title and OP. Cover your angus gentlemen.
 
I do not get Wtf the arguing is about. So it is generally accecpted dht reduces/may eliminate gyno. They argue their modified dhea converts to dht. Therefore their dhea reduces/eliminates gyno. It seems logical, is the issue it doesn't convert to dht? Or it does but not enough to be effective? I don't understand what the beef is.
 
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