Why Gawd? Why?!!!

Danb2285 said:
Soo the men signing up and dying in those bunkers don't have the right to at least be as safe as possible and deserve to be put at more "risk" than they already are? If they should have the right they should have to match our physical standards.
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Which is my point.

If they want to be in a line company the need to meet a line company standard.
 
jimbuick said:
Experience has EVERYTHING to do with it.

I'm not talking about a woman being on a FOB with me or in garrison with me being a problem, I'm talking about a woman being in combat with me and not being physically capable to do things that need to be done for everyone to survive. I'm talking about making movements with rucks that weigh as much as she does and other members of the PLT having to take some of her load because she can't handle it.

I've seen the women that wear the same uniform as me out and about doing PT and doing Ruck Marches (with only 35 pounds) and they can't keep the pace that their unit is going at and my unit RUNS with ours.

Forgive me for not having faith in a woman because I've seen them in action and they can't survive the cut.
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For the sake of asking...because you guys HAVE the experience and know about this. Lets say you get a 5'11 185lb Viking-descendant "female" that can do all you can...I mean I know 1 out of a million, she also has done multiple Test or 19nor cycles and DHT derivatives...her sexual preferences may even be on our side...

For the sake of asking...assuming she can even outbest the WEAKEST and SLOWEST MALE member of infantry...again a 1 in a MILLION chance...but would YOU have a problem with "her" serving in the infantry lines?
 
Celorza said:
For the sake of asking...because you guys HAVE the experience and know about this. Lets say you get a 5'11 185lb Viking-descendant "female" that can do all you can...I mean I know 1 out of a million, she also has done multiple Test or 19nor cycles and DHT derivatives...her sexual preferences may even be on our side...

For the sake of asking...assuming she can even outbest the WEAKEST and SLOWEST MALE member of infantry...again a 1 in a MILLION chance...but would YOU have a problem with "her" serving in the infantry lines?
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Not at all.
 
Danb2285 said:
Not at all.
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Thanks, this proves a point. We are not talking about gender (or race) discrimination (stab meant at mitch, no shame just making sense here...).

Now Mitch, try to understand english and learn the fact it is about the EXPERIENCED men who risk their lives day by day for us to be able to be free, and either address the points they are bringing to the table (in a polite and humble manner since you haven't served at all, just like I haven't) or quietly bow out of this thread.

/end rant.
 
Whoa whoa I should say I've never served. Sorry if I made that impression. I just respect the ones who do.
 
Celorza said:
For the sake of asking...because you guys HAVE the experience and know about this. Lets say you get a 5'11 185lb Viking-descendant "female" that can do all you can...I mean I know 1 out of a million, she also has done multiple Test or 19nor cycles and DHT derivatives...her sexual preferences may even be on our side...

For the sake of asking...assuming she can even outbest the WEAKEST and SLOWEST MALE member of infantry...again a 1 in a MILLION chance...but would YOU have a problem with "her" serving in the infantry lines?
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See my above post.

I think PT standards would be better suited if they were MOS dependant rather than Gender Dependant. If they can meet the standard I meet then that is perfectly fine, BUT the standard they meet now is not going to cut it.

As I said before with the Airborne school comparison, that school used to be difficult (when my dad did it in the 50's) and now its easy as fuark. And the reason for that is because with a woman having to run such a slow time (in comparison) all of the runs are slower to accommodate the women in the class.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but women are subject to compulsory service including combat in the Israeli military. Last I knew, no one doubted how bad ass the Mossad is.
 
jimbuick said:
See my above post.

I think PT standards would be better suited if they were MOS dependant rather than Gender Dependant. If they can meet the standard I meet then that is perfectly fine, BUT the standard they meet now is not going to cut it.

As I said before with the Airborne school comparison, that school used to be difficult (when my dad did it in the 50's) and now its easy as fuark. And the reason for that is because with a woman having to run such a slow time (in comparison) all of the runs are slower to accommodate the women in the class.
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If I may...my opinion is that Gender Equality must be BOTH WAYS then. Not only that they allow female members to serve on the infantry...but that they are THUS brought up to face the same standards and requirements male members are. In that case I think some of you experienced members would agree. The issue (if I understood correctly) would still be a matter of team cohesion and psychological requirements that are different for the male/female psyche.

It is funny how our government and females ask gender equality and political correctness...and yet they are met with lower standards and expectations for these sort of things. I agree with you guys, again humbly, that it is about winning battles/fronts/wars and not about political correctness, if they want to serve the lines...at least meet the exact same standards a man does, not some "equivalence" for their gender.
 
cswalczakny said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but women are subject to compulsory service including combat in the Israeli military. Last I knew, no one doubted how bad ass the Mossad is.
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I don't know about that but if it is true you would have to take into account the inherent culture difference between us and them.
 
Celorza said:
If I may...my opinion is that Gender Equality must be BOTH WAYS then. Not only that they allow female members to serve on the infantry...but that they are THUS brought up to face the same standards and requirements male members are. In that case I think some of you experienced members would agree. The issue (if I understood correctly) would still be a matter of team cohesion and psychological requirements that are different for the male/female psyche.

It is funny how our government and females ask gender equality and political correctness...and yet they are met with lower standards and expectations for these sort of things. I agree with you guys, again humbly, that it is about winning battles/fronts/wars and not about political correctness, if they want to serve the lines...at least meet the exact same standards a man does, not some "equivalence" for their gender.
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I agree with this. Same job=same physical requirements. No excuses.
 
jimbuick said:
I don't know about that but if it is true you would have to take into account the inherent culture difference between us and them.
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Culture doesn't have any effect on their physical ability to perform. But they are held to exactly the same standards as the men and if they don't perform well enough they don't get sent to combat
 
Celorza said:
Thanks, this proves a point. We are not talking about gender (or race) discrimination (stab meant at mitch, no shame just making sense here...).

Now Mitch, try to understand english and learn the fact it is about the EXPERIENCED men who risk their lives day by day for us to be able to be free, and either address the points they are bringing to the table (in a polite and humble manner since you haven't served at all, just like I haven't) or quietly bow out of this thread.

/end rant.
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I addressed all points in my thread above.
 
Celorza said:
If I may...my opinion is that Gender Equality must be BOTH WAYS then. Not only that they allow female members to serve on the infantry...but that they are THUS brought up to face the same standards and requirements male members are. In that case I think some of you experienced members would agree. The issue (if I understood correctly) would still be a matter of team cohesion and psychological requirements that are different for the male/female psyche.

It is funny how our government and females ask gender equality and political correctness...and yet they are met with lower standards and expectations for these sort of things. I agree with you guys, again humbly, that it is about winning battles/fronts/wars and not about political correctness, if they want to serve the lines...at least meet the exact same standards a man does, not some "equivalence" for their gender.
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And I was going to add that but figured it had been appropriately addressed already.

The fact remains that the dynamic of the unit would have to change, in fact anytime we (my unit) are doing anything and women are around we have to be careful about what we say because sexual harassment can get you dishonorably discharged. And our sense of humor is incredibly crude.
 
cswalczakny said:
Culture doesn't have any effect on their physical ability to perform. But they are held to exactly the same standards as the men and if they don't perform well enough they don't get sent to combat
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That's what I was referring to as the culture difference being that women there (I assumed at least) would be held to the same standard.
 
jimbuick said:
And I was going to add that but figured it had been appropriately addressed already.

The fact remains that the dynamic of the unit would have to change, in fact anytime we (my unit) are doing anything and women are around we have to be careful about what we say because sexual harassment can get you dishonorably discharged. And our sense of humor is incredibly crude.
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Lol I could see that being difficult
 
jimbuick said:
That's what I was referring to as the culture difference being that women there (I assumed at least) would be held to the same standard.
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Gotcha. Then yes id agree with you on that
 
mich29 said:
I've addressed this in the thread above.
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Only thing that you've shown is that your opinion is completely ignorant and you continue to base YOUR opinion towards experienced veterans on the basis that WE are prejudice and/or "scared". All these veterans are experienced and basing their opinion on experience. What do you base your couch vision opinion from? Have you served in the military? NO ! Have you ever been accountable for another persons life in the situations these infantrymen face on a daily basis while deployed? NO! You have no footing to make your point valid. You dare tell veterans they are scared when they've served and fought ? You are not only looking ignorant you are acting like a coward.
 
mich29 said:
I've addressed this in the thread above.
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The collection of posts is the thread. Therefore, what you should have said was that you addressed it in the post above.

I feel like I'm in the movie Idiocracy right now. You fail to see the obvious points that were made.

- Valdez
 
Valdez said:
The collection of posts is the thread. Therefore, what you should have said was that you addressed it in the post above.

I feel like I'm in the movie Idiocracy right now. You fail to see the obvious points that were made.

- Valdez
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Its what plants crave, V!
 
Valdez said:
The collection of posts is the thread. Therefore, what you should have said was that you addressed it in the post above.

I feel like I'm in the movie Idiocracy right now. You fail to see the obvious points that were made.

- Valdez
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sigh come on Valdez your better than this.we have all come to a common ground.
 
mich29 said:
sigh come on Valdez your better than this.we have all come to a common ground.
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I agree, we came to the common ground that you are an idiot and are literally talking out of your ass.

At least that seems to be the general consensus.
 
jimbuick said:
I agree, we came to the common ground that you are an idiot and are literally talking out of your ass.

At least that seems to be the general consensus.
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...Must not add to this...must be a nice member...must have self control...
 
mikeg313 said:
Only thing that you've shown is that your opinion is completely ignorant and you continue to base YOUR opinion towards experienced veterans on the basis that WE are prejudice and/or "scared". All these veterans are experienced and basing their opinion on experience. What do you base your couch vision opinion from? Have you served in the military? NO ! Have you ever been accountable for another persons life in the situations these infantrymen face on a daily basis while deployed? NO! You have no footing to make your point valid. You dare tell veterans they are scared when they've served and fought ? You are not only looking ignorant you are acting like a coward.
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your argument of experience could be used in many debates but still doesn't change anything whatsoever your simply hiding behind it.

I get alot of you guys served and regardless of how this is presented will continue to look at it only one way which is fine and I get and understand why. However if she is an American and so should she choose she should have the right to defend her country in any branch she picks.the attacks,insults and negative reps are uncalled for and show a huge lack of ability to controls oneself when presented with a debate which could have been kept civil.
 
mich29 said:
your argument of experience could be used in many debates but still doesn't change anything whatsoever your simply hiding behind it.

I get alot of you guys served and regardless of how this is presented will continue to look at it only one way which is fine and I get and understand why. However if she is an American and so should she choose she should have the right to defend her country in any branch she picks.the attacks,insults and negative reps are uncalled for and show a huge lack of ability to controls oneself when presented with a debate which could have been kept civil.
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Ive been civil. Your opinion is based upon your ignorance. You have nothing to argue here as you have absolutely no experience on the matter. You cannot argue that fact. Not only that if you want to address me then first read all I've said on the matter from the beginning because you have made comments towards me that shows you've missed some things I've stated. If you feel so strongly on the matter then you should enlist and serve your country then you can see the issue with open eyes. It's a duty I believe every citizen should take part in. Like I said , you're not far from me ill get ya nice and hooked up at the recruiting station ;-)

Others have made strong points to back up their opinions and have grounds to make said points. Granted some are harsher then others but its not a light an issue as you seem to take it. You're opinions are weak and have no basis to stand upon. Come with a strong valid point. Saying women have a right to serve is not valid since women already serve in the military. This Is a job specific argument.
 
mikeg313 said:
Ive been civil. Your opinion is based upon your ignorance. You have nothing to argue here as you have absolutely no experience on the matter. You cannot argue that fact. Not only that if you want to address me then first read all I've said on the matter from the beginning because you have made comments towards me that shows you've missed some things I've stated. If you feel so strongly on the matter then you should enlist and serve your country then you can see the issue with open eyes. It's a duty I believe every citizen should take part in. Like I said , you're not far from me ill get ya nice and hooked up at the recruiting station ;-)
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5'7 , 140lb and an attitude problem...I would like to see him enroll, could make him or break him.

Thanks for the experience shared here Mike! And also thanks for defending all that we love.
 
My sister just did a tour.. Shes a MP. Served as a correction officer in kandahar.. Shes has taken guys down plenty of times on her own..in basic she said drill sgts would matc her up aainst the guys because all the girls were pussies and she has dragged 180lb guy before..she could only do one pull up though.lol.. If a girl can meet the requirements then let her do what she wants.i realize that a lot of you guys dont like to hear what a non veteran has to say but the truth is some (by this i mean very few) that girls can do anything a guy could do.
 
mikeg313 said:
Ive been civil. Your opinion is based upon your ignorance. You have nothing to argue here as you have absolutely no experience on the matter. You cannot argue that fact. Not only that if you want to address me then first read all I've said on the matter from the beginning because you have made comments towards me that shows you've missed some things I've stated. If you feel so strongly on the matter then you should enlist and serve your country then you can see the issue with open eyes. It's a duty I believe every citizen should take part in. Like I said , you're not far from me ill get ya nice and hooked up at the recruiting station ;-)
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I've already been through the recruitment process and came just a few days shy of going in before I got good news and didn't have to go in. I applaud you for your reply back in a normal manner I know how heated this debate gets people I had the same thing happen with a few vets old and a few younger guys a few weeks ago that ended in an agree to disagree at the end we hugged it out had a few beers and went back to talking sports.I'll leave this thread as is this isn't a debate that will end.
 
machorox123 said:
My sister just did a tour.. Shes a MP. Served as a correction officer in kandahar.. Shes has taken guys down plenty of times on her own..in basic she said drill sgts would matc her up aainst the guys because all the girls were pussies and she has dragged 180lb guy before..she could only do one pull up though.lol.. If a girl can meet the requirements then let her do what she wants.i realize that a lot of you guys dont like to hear what a non veteran has to say but the truth is some (by this i mean very few) that girls can do anything a guy could do.
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Your sister is obviously one of the few, but like you said she stated "all the girls are pussies". The majority can't hack it. And like others have stated that are in infantry , the physical requirement is the biggest issue but there's a whole lotta other arms on that beast to deal with, combat itself isn't the only mental challenge. If a women can handle it all physically and mentally then by all means. Im sure most men couldn't handle infantry from the stories my brothers that are all on disability tell me. It's easy to look at it from the outside and pass judgment without knowing how truly ugly the inside really is. Time will tell
 
machorox123 said:
My sister just did a tour.. Shes a MP. Served as a correction officer in kandahar.. Shes has taken guys down plenty of times on her own..in basic she said drill sgts would matc her up aainst the guys because all the girls were pussies and she has dragged 180lb guy before..she could only do one pull up though.lol.. If a girl can meet the requirements then let her do what she wants.i realize that a lot of you guys dont like to hear what a non veteran has to say but the truth is some (by this i mean very few) that girls can do anything a guy could do.
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That's one woman. Your opinion is valid despite your civilian status.

mich29 said:
I've already been through the recruitment process and came just a few days shy of going in before I got good news and didn't have to go in. I applaud you for your reply back in a normal manner I know how heated this debate gets people I had the same thing happen with a few vets old and a few younger guys a few weeks ago that ended in an agree to disagree at the end we hugged it out had a few beers and went back to talking sports.I'll leave this thread as is this isn't a debate that will end.
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You both fail to see the big picture. The standards for women are lowered across the board. Even for a normal MOS, not combat related the PT requirements for women are
l o w e r e d. That in itself is hard evidence that the military (women included) recognize that physically they CANNOT KEEP UP WITH MEN.

The amount of push ups and sit ups are LOWERED because they LACK the physical strength of their male counter parts.

In a combat situation where LIVES are on the line there should be no exceptions of lowered standards whether you're a man, woman or turtle. If Jim gets shot and 118 lb Betty Sue can't drag his little ass to safety he is dead. That means that a son, husband, father, brother and friend is dead and gone. Happy?!

What you inexperienced people fail to realize is that with this change thousands of lives are being put in jeopardy. All for equal rights that women themselves have agreed aren't even equal in the first place. Again, proof in the LOWERED standards for them.

How about this, all of you civilian advocates can personally go to each and everyone of the dead or disabled Mens families houses and explain your asinine stance to their children. Their children that their father didn't come home to them. That they had to bury because of the inability for a woman to carry her own weight in combat. Ask his wife how SHE feels about equal rights in combat now that her husband is dead. Better yet look her and her fatherless children in their eyes and tell them that personally you support the movement that killed their father.

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- Valdez
 
Valdez said:
That's one woman. Your opinion is valid despite your civilian status.


- Valdez
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Were my opinions valid despite my civilian status Valdeezy?
 
Valdez said:
That's one woman. Your opinion is valid despite your civilian status.

You both fail to see the big picture. The standards for women are lowered across the board. Even for a normal MOS, not combat related the PT requirements for women are
l o w e r e d. That in itself is hard evidence that the military (women included) recognize that physically they CANNOT KEEP UP WITH MEN.

The amount of push ups and sit ups are LOWERED because they LACK the physical strength of their male counter parts.

In a combat situation where LIVES are on the line there should be no exceptions of lowered standards whether you're a man, woman or turtle. If Jim gets shot and 118 lb Betty Sue can't drag his little ass to safety he is dead. That means that a son, husband, father, brother and friend is dead and gone. Happy?!

What you inexperienced people fail to realize is that with this change thousands of lives are being put in jeopardy. All for equal rights that women themselves have agreed aren't even equal in the first place. Again, proof in the LOWERED standards for them.

How about this, all of you civilian advocates can personally go to each and everyone of the dead or disabled Mens families houses and explain your asinine stance to their children. Their children that their father didn't come home to them. That they had to bury because of the inability for a woman to carry her own weight in combat. Ask his wife how SHE feels about equal rights in combat now that her husband is dead. Better yet look her and her fatherless children in their eyes and tell them that personally you support the movement that killed their father.

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- Valdez
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I agree. Only those that can pass exactly the same physical standards should be allowed no excuses end of story
 
Shoulda never let them burn bra's....(not srs)
 
Danb2285 said:
Shoulda never let them burn bra's....(not srs)
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Lol. I'm a fan of some of them not wearing bras.

Btw I checked out that moonshiners show you won't shut up about. I kinda like it, mostly to see the ways they hide everything from the cops. Lol
 
cswalczakny said:
Lol. I'm a fan of some of them not wearing bras.

Btw I checked out that moonshiners show you won't shut up about. I kinda like it, mostly to see the ways they hide everything from the cops. Lol
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Haha yeah it's legit. I'm hooked on Amish mafia now. Watched the whole season last night
 
Danb2285 said:
Haha yeah it's legit. I'm hooked on Amish mafia now. Watched the whole season last night
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Ha! I just watched half an episode of that last night because my wife couldn't find the remote to put stupid teen mom housewife snooki sh!t on. Then she found it
 
Danb2285 said:
Haha yeah it's legit. I'm hooked on Amish mafia now. Watched the whole season last night
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Oh god you like that crap? I found myself watching like 3 in a row the other day and realized it after the third one what I was doing. Getting sucked in. It's so stupid and staged.
 
mikeg313 said:
Oh god you like that crap? I found myself watching like 3 in a row the other day and realized it after the third one what I was doing. Getting sucked in. It's so stupid and staged.
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All "reality" shows are fake and staged
 
mikeg313 said:
Oh god you like that crap? I found myself watching like 3 in a row the other day and realized it after the third one what I was doing. Getting sucked in. It's so stupid and staged.
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Haha I know I just can't help but watch it. Moonshiners really sucked me in. Amish mafia is only a 6 episode season and it was all on demand so once I started I couldn't stop

cswalczakny said:
All "reality" shows are fake and staged
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Pretty much this.
 
cswalczakny said:
All "reality" shows are fake and staged
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I know but they're so bad and its even worse when what used to be educational networks flood their airtime with that crap. The most awful was the bitch ass MC one they did. I had so many people ask me about that show when I was at the bar with my rags on. No that's not a real motorcycle club no we don't act like that. Funny thing is that club was a real club in SD but they were lil butt puppets of another big family out there. There were only a couple of the lil ***s until they got the show deal then they multiplied into a big group of ***s and brought shame upon the MC community. It surprises me that the big family they are bitches for aloud that but then again they'll do anything to get media attention and a paycheck.
 
mikeg313 said:
I know but they're so bad and its even worse when what used to be educational networks flood their airtime with that crap. The most awful was the bitch ass MC one they did. I had so many people ask me about that show when I was at the bar with my rags on. No that's not a real motorcycle club no we don't act like that. Funny thing is that club was a real club in SD but they were lil butt puppets of another big family out there. There were only a couple of the lil ***s until they got the show deal then they multiplied into a big group of ***s and brought shame upon the MC community. It surprises me that the big family they are bitches for aloud that but then again they'll do anything to get media attention and a paycheck.
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Agreed. I used to love watching things about science and history and medicine. Now it's all freaks and degenerates, aliens, and armageddon crap 24/7 on discovery, history, science, tlc and health
 
cswalczakny said:
Agreed. I used to love watching things about science and history and medicine. Now it's all freaks and degenerates, aliens, and armageddon crap 24/7 on discovery, history, science, tlc and health
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I love anything on nature , space or animals. Planet earth series was amazing. I even dig all the kooky theoretical physicist. I DVR all that stuff , as much as I can. I'm so tired of the reality crap it's very much the last decades fad. They need to get another hook or just go back to the stuff that actually makes you think and enriches your mind and imagination all the time. I understand its hard to fill 24/7 time slots but every crap job and/or hobby doesn't need it's own lame reality series to exploit it.
 
mikeg313 said:
I love anything on nature , space or animals. Planet earth series was amazing. I even dig all the kooky theoretical physicist. I DVR all that stuff , as much as I can. I'm so tired of the reality crap it's very much the last decades fad. They need to get another hook or just go back to the stuff that actually makes you think and enriches your mind and imagination all the time. I understand its hard to fill 24/7 time slots but every crap job and/or hobby doesn't need it's own lame reality series to exploit it.
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The stuff on physics and astronomy are my favorite. Morgan Freedman's Through The Wormhole ftw!!
 
Russianog said:
Really? You didn't just say that...
You would like to see them sent to their deaths, KNOWING that they can't handle it. A PLATOON of women... who would lead? Can you imagine the amount of BULL**** a platoon sgt would deal with when 40 bitches are bleeding? MEN already pose a problem... women will further complicate things and pose at least twice to three times as many problems.

Women in the infantry is the biggest load of bull****, as is equal opportunity rights in general.

First off, can you imagine the amount of harassment lawsuits that will take place on a daily basis. We are vulgar and ****ing cruel to each other (jokingly) but we can handle ourselves. Females with their emotional mind state of a 12 year old would come crying every 3 seconds for being called a bitch, ****, twat or w/e word they take offense to that day.

95% of the men in the infantry are disgusting creatures... with disgusting views and ideas. Part of them think rape is okay (yes I've heard numerous people say it, and some sgt instruct his boots on it)

Once women join the infantry and see the bull**** we put up with, they will want out. Not to mention when we go to the field they will want special treatment because they are women, special places to eat **** and piss.
You can't demand equality and then ask for special treatment. Equal is equal and it'll never happen. Their 70 cents to our Dollar is what's been and is what it will be in the future. MEN have been shown on average to work harder, work longer, and be smarter then women. That's not to say that there isn't a single women that isn't harder working, longer working or smarter than any man, but that's the average consensus. IE: Females have gotten their chance at equal rights where they want and need it. To demand it in every facet of life is ridiculous and a decision that they will whole heartily regret.

Like above posters mentioned, unit cohession, comradery and other qualities that make an infantry unit unique would be shattered and halted from progression.

FYI not sexist, so don't throw that **** at me.
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You misinterpreted my post. I said a platoon of women that met the same physical requirements that the males. I am done with this discussion due to the level of emotions that have understandably developed but I wanted to make sure you understood my thesis and a supporting points before you made an opinion of it.
 
Celorza said:
You folks seen "Into the universe with Stephen Hawking" ?
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Yeah I've watched that too. It's good and I know he's a genius but after awhile the robot voice and drooly blank stare starts to creep me out. Seriously go to a visual sequence while he's talking and give the guy a break.
 
mikeg313 said:
Yeah I've watched that too. It's good and I know he's a genius but after awhile the robot voice and drooly blank stare starts to creep me out. Seriously go to a visual sequence while he's talking and give the guy a break.
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Haha yeah it gets a bit old (the voice). There's also a "How the Universe works" with Michio Kaku, man is fascinating to say the least.
 
Celorza said:
You folks seen "Into the universe with Stephen Hawking" ?
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Yeah. Anything with hawking is great. And of course Neil DeGrasse-Tyson and Michio Kaku
 
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