I think the last print magazine ad you guys did was for c 20 right?
Just got all caught up.. Can't wait to give this stuff a try.. Have to find somewhere to fit it in... I actually think I have the perfect 4 week block to use it! Which leads me to another question!! How long is recommended cycle.. 4, 8, 12 weeks? Is it daily dosing or cycled?
Edit- and another q- if u were gonna stack this, besides a stim or pre like jack3d.. What would u say is the best TYPE/CATEGORY of product to stack with (after a solo run of course to truly assess the product)
T-Bone said:Great work Sour. Definitely lost some fat and gained a bit of muscle. I wonder what 8 weeks or 60 days would do?
we have 45 pages in print across the line...
I'll take two bottles and a steak and cheese grinder!.
I have anabolic pump so I'll take the bread!
T-Bone said:Great work Sour. Definitely lost some fat and gained a bit of muscle. I wonder what 8 weeks or 60 days would do?
I have anabolic pump so I'll take the bread!
I'm jelly. Mines about out....
Yeah I don't want to ever go without it, now that I know what it can do with carbs!.
Solid questions from Fu !
Solid questions from Fu !
I agree. Great questions.
Fumoney, considering that you followed my log, I'm guessing you're looking to hear from someone else? Either way, I'll post some feedback tonight or tomorrow that will answer a lot of these questions for anyone else interested.
fumoney said:That's correct Breezy. I followed your log exclusively and know how you would answer these questions. You know you already sold me on Versa-1.
Wanted to see how others would answer as well since people have different diet, workout regimen, body type and goals.
Also, I am not gonna lie. I also posted question because I want a shot at one of those 10 bottles.
T-Bone said:What are you an Owl?
That's correct Breezy. I followed your log exclusively and know how you would answer these questions. You know you already sold me on Versa-1.
Wanted to see how others would answer as well since people have different diet, workout regimen, body type and goals.
Also, I am not gonna lie. I also posted question because I want a shot at one of those 10 bottles.
We can only wonder...until January 8th! I am just dying waiting to see what the IC is going to be. It's supposedly going to be HUGE.Ap is amazing.. Ap + versa 1 is probably going to be" never before seen" statusPerhaps some ap thrown into the IC release?![]()
Ap is amazing.. Ap + versa 1 is probably going to be" never before seen" status
Perhaps some ap thrown into the IC release?![]()
Answers in bold based off of my own experience and the logs.1 - any diuretic effects noticed ? Frequent bathroom visits, dry skins or mouth ?I do remember a few testers commenting on looking drier. I suspect that this was related to improved carbohydrate metabolism2 - any break outs noticed ?I did not see any of this in the logs.3 - have you used this product on cardio only days and if so how do you feel this product has helped you ?Personally, I sweated more. Others noticed greater endurance. VERSA-1 is to be used every day, and I felt like the effects were very long lasting to the point where some of the immediate effects never truly went away.4 - strength gains are seen from almost all testers. How about muscle endurance ? Does it combat lactic acid effect ?Lactic acid? Hmmm I don't recall reading much on that. Quite a few testers took note of improved muscular endurance both within a set and from set to set. I personally saw strength gains and I felt that it was mainly attributable to the improved neuromuscular connection and CNS recovery that I felt VERSA-1 produced.5 - any lethargic feelings during the day ?I did not see any of this...in fact most testers, including myself, found themselves energetic and alert during the day and sleeping like a rock at night.6 - have you noticed less bloating after meals ?I recall Cerorza commenting on bloating shortly after taking a dose but as for everyone else I don't believe so. For me, taking it on empty or with food was no issue at all.7 - any headaches, dizziness or GI issues that you think this product may have contributed to ?Personally no. I can't speak for sure for the others but I don't believe so (apart from Celorza).8 - what is your sweet spot as far as taking it number of minutes prior to workout to maximize effects ( energy, strength )It was so long lasting that the window was very large. I ended up taking it 45 min. pre on most days with some food in my stomach (not fasted, not right with a meal).9 - during the 4 weeks, when did you notice difference in strength, energy, hunger ?Strength - Right away, because of the mental effects. I had a greater ability to contract the muscles in concert.Energy - Again right away, shortly after the first dose.Hunger - I never saw a difference here, but others commented on increased appetite as early as within the first few days.10 - taking a pure guess since you don't know what's actually in PA, what product in your normal supplement regimen would you replace with this product if your budget was tight ?All of them! No seriously though...There truly is no comparison because VERSA-1 does so many things (hence the name!) but if I'm forced to pick then for me it had a adaptogen sort of feeling. That's pretty vague, but it's about as close as youre going to get.Thank you in advance. Great job by beta testers !
I read it fine Classic. Great posting.
Honestly after following 20-30 logs i have noted the same things
Those who were cutting
- Very hard to lose weight
- Even without losing weight or gaining a pound or two they got leaner
- Appetite and Hunger Increased
- Mood increased, and energy increased
- Pump increased/more vascular
Bulking
- Most bulking logs added 8-10 pounds during their run of 1 bottle (some more)
- Stayed the same leanness or got leaner
- Minor dieuretic effects (Some had bathroom problems)
- Increased Appetite
- Greater Pump/Focus
- IMproved Vascularity/muscle hardness
^^^Just read that over and over. That is a dream come true to most in 30 days.
Not to mention what a 60 day run would bring to the table.
Let the pictures do the talking,
USP Labs struck gold...
Cant wait for the IC Deal to do my 2 bottle run..
Here it is avocadbros!
youtube.com/watch?v=NJleC5kdOcI
Honestly after following 20-30 logs i have noted the same things
Those who were cutting
- Very hard to lose weight
- Even without losing weight or gaining a pound or two they got leaner
- Appetite and Hunger Increased
- Mood increased, and energy increased
- Pump increased/more vascular
Bulking
- Most bulking logs added 8-10 pounds during their run of 1 bottle (some more)
- Stayed the same leanness or got leaner
- Minor dieuretic effects (Some had bathroom problems)
- Increased Appetite
- Greater Pump/Focus
- IMproved Vascularity/muscle hardness
^^^Just read that over and over. That is a dream come true to most in 30 days.
Not to mention what a 60 day run would bring to the table.
Let the pictures do the talking,
USP Labs struck gold...
Cant wait for the IC Deal to do my 2 bottle run..
The part about not being able to drop weight while cutting....yeah you can say that again! I had to drop the cals and up the cardio more than normal to get it to budge, and when it did the fat really came off!Honestly after following 20-30 logs i have noted the same thingsThose who were cutting- Very hard to lose weight- Even without losing weight or gaining a pound or two they got leaner- Appetite and Hunger Increased- Mood increased, and energy increased- Pump increased/more vascularBulking- Most bulking logs added 8-10 pounds during their run of 1 bottle (some more)- Stayed the same leanness or got leaner- Minor dieuretic effects (Some had bathroom problems)- Increased Appetite- Greater Pump/Focus- IMproved Vascularity/muscle hardness^^^Just read that over and over. That is a dream come true to most in 30 days.Not to mention what a 60 day run would bring to the table.Let the pictures do the talking,USP Labs struck gold...Cant wait for the IC Deal to do my 2 bottle run..
The part about not being able to drop weight while cutting....yeah you can say that again! I had to drop the cals and up the cardio more than normal to get it to budge, and when it did the fat really came off!
1 - any diuretic effects noticed ? Frequent bathroom visits, dry skins or mouth ?
2 - any break outs noticed ?
3 - have you used this product on cardio only days and if so how do you feel this product has helped you ?
4 - strength gains are seen from almost all testers. How about muscle endurance ? Does it combat lactic acid effect ?
5 - any lethargic feelings during the day ?
6 - have you noticed less bloating after meals ?
7 - any headaches, dizziness or GI issues that you think this product may have contributed to ?
8 - what is your sweet spot as far as taking it number of minutes prior to workout to maximize effects ( energy, strength )
9 - during the 4 weeks, when did you notice difference in strength, energy, hunger ?
10 - taking a pure guess since you don't know what's actually in PA, what product in your normal supplement regimen would you replace with this product if your budget was tight ?
Thank you in advance. Great job by beta testers !
I can only imagine. I kept everything status quo and almost lost 2% bf with eating at maintenance.
Not sure about body fat % but I dropped a solid inch and a half off my waist! Arms and shoulders were nearly unchanged.
1 - any diuretic effects noticed ? Frequent bathroom visits, dry skins or mouth ?
At first I was having frequent dry mouth and throat that subsided. I think my buddy just had to catch up to the extra sweating that was going on. No effect on urination or skin
2 - any break outs noticed ?
I'm not sure that I noticed anything more then normal... I occasionally have breakouts but nothing extreme that ir would attribute to an outside source.
3 - have you used this product on cardio only days and if so how do you feel this product has helped you ?
Most definitely has helped with the cardio sessions. Endurance went up significantly and running heart rate was reduced over my 30 day course.... sweating increased to filling buckets as well.
4 - strength gains are seen from almost all testers. How about muscle endurance ? Does it combat lactic acid effect ?
Somewhat... Endurance was def increased, I felt more so then strength. I was able to finish routines with extra gas in the tank that previously drained me absolutely. I don't know that it specifically stopped lactic acid build up though since it still would burn on some lifts.
5 - any lethargic feelings during the day ?
None whatsoever, but I was taking a decent stimulant stack... still I've had other anabolics create lethargy do bad that nothing could combat it... luckily this was not like that.
6 - have you noticed less bloating after meals ?
I had no bloating at all.... I don't really ever have this issue though.
7 - any headaches, dizziness or GI issues that you think this product may have contributed to ?
None.
8 - what is your sweet spot as far as taking it number of minutes prior to workout to maximize effects ( energy, strength ) ?
Honestly anytime through the day and it worked fine. I just liked to take it with my stimulants period to help them work better. Usually this was first thing in the morning. It would help considerably with cardio and if still feel better without later in that day also. I only wish the side was split do I could take it once with my cardio stim use and preworkout stim use... I have a feeling it would work great dosed this way.
9 - during the 4 weeks, when did you notice difference in strength, energy, hunger ?
Within just a few days the hunger became extremely apparent and other effects quickly followed. All within the first week. This Versa-1 kicked extremely quickly for a natty supplement.
10 - taking a pure guess since you don't know what's actually in PA, what product in your normal supplement regimen would you replace with this product if your budget was tight ?
Nothing compares for single daily dosing that meets all these effects.
Absolutely nothing I can think of could increase strength, increase hunger, increase metabolism to accommodate the hunger/increased caloric intake, increase stimulant feeling and effects, cause lbm accrual on a caloric deficit allowing fat loss simultaneously and still be natural/not cause shutdown.
If I could even try to compare something it would be high dose forsalean(if your gut can handle it), LCLT, beta alanine, something that can considerably increase hunger, something to increase metabolism... honestly to collect all these supplements to try and mimic the effects would end up creating a hefty bill probably more then full retail price and you would still be hard pressed to get the exact same results.
My suggestion. Get in on the IC release, try it for yourself and then decide if it's worth future purchases at the decided retail price... I would honestly put its effects without suppression at a good 60-80 dollar price range. It's tough to get these effects without going over to anabolic steroids or extreme peptide use.
If this can be sold at a 50 dollar price point, I'd consider it a steal and grab it right up.
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1 - any diuretic effects noticed ? Frequent bathroom visits, dry skins or mouth ?
At first I was having frequent dry mouth and throat that subsided. I think my buddy just had to catch up to the extra sweating that was going on. No effect on urination or skin
2 - any break outs noticed ?
I'm not sure that I noticed anything more then normal... I occasionally have breakouts but nothing extreme that ir would attribute to an outside source.
3 - have you used this product on cardio only days and if so how do you feel this product has helped you ?
Most definitely has helped with the cardio sessions. Endurance went up significantly and running heart rate was reduced over my 30 day course.... sweating increased to filling buckets as well.
4 - strength gains are seen from almost all testers. How about muscle endurance ? Does it combat lactic acid effect ?
Somewhat... Endurance was def increased, I felt more so then strength. I was able to finish routines with extra gas in the tank that previously drained me absolutely. I don't know that it specifically stopped lactic acid build up though since it still would burn on some lifts.
5 - any lethargic feelings during the day ?
None whatsoever, but I was taking a decent stimulant stack... still I've had other anabolics create lethargy do bad that nothing could combat it... luckily this was not like that.
6 - have you noticed less bloating after meals ?
I had no bloating at all.... I don't really ever have this issue though.
7 - any headaches, dizziness or GI issues that you think this product may have contributed to ?
None.
8 - what is your sweet spot as far as taking it number of minutes prior to workout to maximize effects ( energy, strength ) ?
Honestly anytime through the day and it worked fine. I just liked to take it with my stimulants period to help them work better. Usually this was first thing in the morning. It would help considerably with cardio and if still feel better without later in that day also. I only wish the side was split do I could take it once with my cardio stim use and preworkout stim use... I have a feeling it would work great dosed this way.
9 - during the 4 weeks, when did you notice difference in strength, energy, hunger ?
Within just a few days the hunger became extremely apparent and other effects quickly followed. All within the first week. This Versa-1 kicked extremely quickly for a natty supplement.
10 - taking a pure guess since you don't know what's actually in PA, what product in your normal supplement regimen would you replace with this product if your budget was tight ?
Nothing compares for single daily dosing that meets all these effects.
Absolutely nothing I can think of could increase strength, increase hunger, increase metabolism to accommodate the hunger/increased caloric intake, increase stimulant feeling and effects, cause lbm accrual on a caloric deficit allowing fat loss simultaneously and still be natural/not cause shutdown.
If I could even try to compare something it would be high dose forsalean(if your gut can handle it), LCLT, beta alanine, something that can considerably increase hunger, something to increase metabolism... honestly to collect all these supplements to try and mimic the effects would end up creating a hefty bill probably more then full retail price and you would still be hard pressed to get the exact same results.
My suggestion. Get in on the IC release, try it for yourself and then decide if it's worth future purchases at the decided retail price... I would honestly put its effects without suppression at a good 60-80 dollar price range. It's tough to get these effects without going over to anabolic steroids or extreme peptide use.
If this can be sold at a 50 dollar price point, I'd consider it a steal and grab it right up.
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fumoney said:Already a member of IC and I am ready to buy. Not sure when this promo will end but my OCD tendencies won't let me wait. I want it sooner than jan-08. LOL.
boogyman said:Questions:
Would this stack with a fat burner or high "stim" preworkout?
This product seems very versitile, but would testers recommend it more for bulk, cut, or recomp? or is it like Anabeta in that it can be added to any stack?
Any negative sides from any testers?
Any increase in hunger, or any appetite suppression?
Any increase in motivation or aggression?
I'll add more when I think of them.
The part about not being able to drop weight while cutting....yeah you can say that again! I had to drop the cals and up the cardio more than normal to get it to budge, and when it did the fat really came off!
Will USPLabs put a limitation on number of bottles you can purchase during IC release ???.
Questions:
Would this stack with a fat burner or high "stim" preworkout?
It sure would, many testers did this.
This product seems very versitile, but would testers recommend it more for bulk, cut, or recomp? or is it like Anabeta in that it can be added to any stack?
D.) All of the Above
Any negative sides from any testers?
None that I have seen
Any increase in hunger, or any appetite suppression?
A super charged hunger
Any increase in motivation or aggression?
Not many reports of increased aggression but motivation, got that by the truck load.
I'll add more when I think of them.
I think you can usually only add one to your cart. but i'd say buy one and let everyone else have a chance as well. Just my thoughts