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Erectile Problems after PCT

solarize

solarize

191cm, 98kg (6'3, 215lb)
Hi Guys.
Its two weeks out from a PCT with
Nolva/ATD/Activate and I cant for the life of me maintain an erection!

I have had my test levels etc evaluated via blood draw and they are fine. My performance in the gym etc is fine.. But I can't get a wood.

Anyone offer any help? Besides just taking some trib etc?? Its a bit fuckn scarey actually, its never happened before bit worried about long term problems.

Thanks for any feedback.
 
Get some fenugreek. 2g a day and you'll be good to go. ATD killed my libido but it's back to normal now
 
Sorry tried that

I ran fenugreek whole time during PCT.
My libido is back, as in I am horny, but not maintain erection.

LIke totally impossible :( never happened before. Been like this for week and a half :(


very bad.
 
solarize said:
Hi Guys.
Its two weeks out from a PCT with
Nolva/ATD/Activate and I cant for the life of me maintain an erection!

I have had my test levels etc evaluated via blood draw and they are fine. My performance in the gym etc is fine.. But I can't get a wood.

Anyone offer any help? Besides just taking some trib etc?? Its a bit fuckn scarey actually, its never happened before bit worried about long term problems.

Thanks for any feedback.
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In the same boat as you, exact thing happened to me and I am still not quite back to normal. Safe to say itll be test and clomid/nolva only for the rest of my life.
 
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Grassroots082 said:
In the same boat as you, exact thing happened to me and I am still not quite back to normal. Safe to say itll be test and clomid/nolva only for the rest of my life.
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Thanks for saying something though, good to think I aint fucked up alone :(


Could you let me know how long it took you to get back to near normal?
What happened etc?

I have NEVER EVER had ANY erectile dysfuntion before. Even on 8 weeks of deca etc..

This is really bad.
I can only think its some sort of problem with dopamine/seratonin receptors.. because my test and LH is fine. Actually my test is really high according to blood work (done a week after PCT). And everything else is normal.

Any pointers will help. I physically cant get it up. LIke it starts to get there, but just wont, no matter what me/ g/f do. Its doing my head in. and i dont wanna be no viagra boy at my age (24). and Dr.'s aint much help.. kinda screwed really. its awful.
 
Solarize

I think it may be in your head too. Try some different metods of getting up. The more pressure you put on you, the less you can perform.

Are you doing some cardio/ leg extensions? Both of these I've found helpful too. Good luck.
 
Head Thing

motiv8er said:
I think it may be in your head too. Try some different metods of getting up. The more pressure you put on you, the less you can perform.

Are you doing some cardio/ leg extensions? Both of these I've found helpful too. Good luck.
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Yeah I long and hard considered the head thing.. and it aint that.

Like no matter what in the past, if a girl is giving me head, it goes up. Even if I am stressed etc. Just totally fried now :( nothing.. Its evil.
 
It'll take few months to get to normal, but most likely you'll be fine, don't freak out about that.
 
Ergomax

I was thinking of trying to run Ergomax at 20mg for one week, to see if that brings me back up to speed.

Yeah, I know that might sound a bit crazy, but it certainly made me more "excited" whilst on it. And I would believe that one week only shouldnt have any real effects on HPTA, but i could be wrong. Considering trying to run it with Activate at same time perhaps to increase effects as speculated by others on here.
 
Don't go on ergomax to solve that problem man! You'll make things worse..

Have you ever ran a Nitric Oxide product? I noticed I got very good erections when using Arginine (AAKG, NOW brand). I think something like that would be a better way to go to help your erections.
 
Solarize when you get the chance lay out your cycle and PCT in detail and maybe we can come up with some other ideas..
 
Cycle Details

Cycle was
Ergomax 3weeks 20mg
Ergo/SD 1 week, 20/10mg
SD 1 week, 20mg

PCT Was:
Activate 4 weeks
Nolva - first three days at 60mg, then three more at 40, last 3 days at 40mg
Ultra HOt - 1 week at 5 caps per day then onto rebound
Rebound - 3 weeks at :week 1 3caps per day, week2 2 caps per day, week3 1cap per day
Fenugreek 400mg a day
MAN Clout 2 serves a day

I am now two weeks after PCT. And Nothing downstairs :( Blood work shows everything fine :(

I'm about do to a trial of Diesel Test for Chuck Diesel, hoping this may help.. maybe.. fuckn hope so.
 
solarize said:
Cycle was
Ergomax 3weeks 20mg
Ergo/SD 1 week, 20/10mg
SD 1 week, 20mg

PCT Was:
Activate 4 weeks
Nolva - first three days at 60mg, then three more at 40, last 3 days at 40mg
Ultra HOt - 1 week at 5 caps per day then onto rebound
Rebound - 3 weeks at :week 1 3caps per day, week2 2 caps per day, week3 1cap per day
Fenugreek 400mg a day
MAN Clout 2 serves a day

I am now two weeks after PCT. And Nothing downstairs :( Blood work shows everything fine :(

I'm about do to a trial of Diesel Test for Chuck Diesel, hoping this may help.. maybe.. fuckn hope so.
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Ergo killed my libido..horrible stuff in general
 
In all other respects how do you feel? Emotionally, ....... I would actively look into dopaminergic augmentation. Additionally, elevatred Prolactin levels can cause erectile disfunction even in the presence of normal testosterone levels. Normally Prolactin suppresses test levels but I read an article on pubmed ( I will try to find it tomorrow) that stated that even males with normal testosterone levels but elevated Prolactin (in this case from Prolactin causing tumors) can experience erectile disfunction. So possibly look into getting some Cabergoline (Dostinex) if you can.
 
Mr.50 said:
In all other respects how do you feel? Emotionally, ....... I would actively look into dopaminergic augmentation. Additionally, elevatred Prolactin levels can cause erectile disfunction even in the presence of normal testosterone levels. Normally Prolactin suppresses test levels but I read an article on pubmed ( I will try to find it tomorrow) that stated that even males with normal testosterone levels but elevated Prolactin (in this case from Prolactin causing tumors) can experience erectile disfunction. So possibly look into getting some Cabergoline (Dostinex) if you can.
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Emotionally, I am ok, but I am starting to get depressed about it, which aint going to help. Whats even more weird is I can reach orgasm, but its not with a full erection. Like it just wont get hard. Libido feels normal etc.

Yes I was thinking dopamine might be a key.
I have tried supplementing with L-Tyrosine and 5-HTP, together/seperate etc. And ZMA.
No effect.

Of interest, I used prozac for a while about 2 years ago, and found it increased my sexual performance, where from what I have read, most people find the opposite. Shame it screwed my gym/waking/strength.

What would you suggest for dopamingenic augmentation?

Hmm might get my prolactin checked, thanks. Being young... probably wouldnt have a cancer yet, but its possible.
Dostinex eh.. will look it up.

Just so you know here are my test levels from bloodwork
Testosterone 23 nmol/L / 663ng/dl(5.0-25.0)
Free Testosterone 70 pmol/L (60.0-130.0)
(these were done in Australia)
 
Actuall elevated prolactin levels can frequently occur during and after a cycle even without cancer so it is something to check out. As far as dopamine augmentation check out the Avant Board. Tons of info on nootrpics that work on dopamine. It is somewhat difficult because the govt (at least here in the US) doesn't want you to have a lot of good dopamine augmenters because they have potential for abuse.
 
I wouldn't stress too hard about this. A highly suppressive cycle can do this and if your test levels are ok, it may take some time to for your test to aromatize into estrodiol et al, which is in fact an important part of sexual function.

I lost desire and function for about a month last year..it suck but everything came back online in time. Sometimes you just have to weather the storm but if you can pinpoint the cause and address it, more power to you.

I'd try some Rhodiola and maybe some Vitex...at the very least, they can't hurt.
 
Thanks guys

Thanks for the advice guys.
Its week two of no erections, going to give it another two weeks before I seek serious medical advice...
.
Diesel Test arrived today, lets see how it goes.
 
Superdrol did it to me BAD. **** happens :(


However, i could get it "partially up" and still do "work" with it....but, for the most part, i couldn't get it to work and sometimes just wanted to *chokes* cuddle :eek:
 
motiv8er said:
I think it may be in your head too. Try some different metods of getting up. The more pressure you put on you, the less you can perform.

Are you doing some cardio/ leg extensions? Both of these I've found helpful too. Good luck.
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I agree. I can get hard but I can't really keep it up sometimes, the only time I have good sex is when I have a few beers so I'm sure its the anxiety getting to me. Try not to think as much. I ran a Max LMG/Ergomax cycle then followed PCT with 2 weeks Nolva at 40/20mg overlapped by 3 weeks Ultra HOT and Fenugreek all the way through.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Superdrol did it to me BAD. **** happens :(


However, i could get it "partially up" and still do "work" with it....but, for the most part, i couldn't get it to work and sometimes just wanted to *chokes* cuddle :eek:
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I know what your saying thats how I still kinda am to an extent. This is turning into a long PCT :lol:
 
bioman said:
I wouldn't stress too hard about this. A highly suppressive cycle can do this and if your test levels are ok, it may take some time to for your test to aromatize into estrodiol et al, which is in fact an important part of sexual function.

I lost desire and function for about a month last year..it suck but everything came back online in time. Sometimes you just have to weather the storm but if you can pinpoint the cause and address it, more power to you.

I'd try some Rhodiola and maybe some Vitex...at the very least, they can't hurt.
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I am heeding your advice Bioman, ALCAR and Rhodiola are on the way, I suffer from mild anxiety anyways.
 
M1T did it for me in the past...nightmare.. but as said above eventually it sorts itself out as your levels normalise. I know you dont want to hear 'wait it out' and i think looking for a solution now is a good thing just realise that things will get back to normal.... sooner, or later.
 
takes me about 3 months to normalize out in the libido dept. even on an 8 week cycle, still took 3 months. wonder how it'll be after this 6 monther......
 
I have had the same problem in the recent past. Never having experienced this before, even after other cycles, I noticed significant difficulty after both SD and M4OHN. My most recent, and might I add last, SD cycle resulted in a 1.5 month window of abnormal functioning. Exact same situation as described by bioman and solarize. In short, its not worth it. Stop and let your body normalize.
 
Forgot to add my supplementation regimen to alleviate (not solve) the problem.

MACA
TRIB
Avena Sativa
Fenugreek 3/4/5/6
yomihbine 3 mg/day (from the list above, this will be the most effective)

If problem persists after 3 months, see a doctor.
 
Yeah, it takes a while to 'normalize' sometimes. My problem, even a couple of months post cycle, would be that I'd start off strong, then slowly lose it 10-15 mins later. After a couple of bad experiences, it seriously could be in your head - performance anxiety. Cialis is nice for getting through the rough periods. You wouldn't want to use it too often or for too long, but it can really help confidence levels, and it's nice to feel like a pornstar sometimes ;). As it gets better try the more natural options (avena sativa, trib, fenugreek, and NO), then taper off.
 
In the same boat here dude. I have no problem with the desire and getting hard, it's keeping it hard after a long period of time and finishing. If I go quick, not a problem. But, if I hold out a while, I'm screwed.
 
Liquid Cialis until your body normalizes. 3 years ago 1-AD shut me down hard and it took a long time to get back to normal. I had many frustrations until I ordered the magic liquid, back then it was the blue pill.
 
I suffer from exactly the same thing. I have no lack of desire, but maintaining an erection for any amount of time is a tricky proposition. I really hate just jumping into sex head on without properly revving up my gf's engine, but if I don't I have oftentimes lost my erection completely. That **** messes with your head bigtime. I've ordered some fenotest to see if a natural test booster will help with this issue or not.
 
max silver said:
I suffer from exactly the same thing. I have no lack of desire, but maintaining an erection for any amount of time is a tricky proposition. I really hate just jumping into sex head on without properly revving up my gf's engine, but if I don't I have oftentimes lost my erection completely. That **** messes with your head bigtime. I've ordered some fenotest to see if a natural test booster will help with this issue or not.
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when was your last cycle?
 
My last cycle ended towards the end of May. That's coming up on 4 months ago, and things still aren't really fully back to normal just yet.
 
max silver said:
My last cycle ended towards the end of May. That's coming up on 4 months ago, and things still aren't really fully back to normal just yet.
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What was your cycle?

I'm having the same problems, and it's been 4 months now post cycle. I used FUZE from primaforce (gotta log here) and it worked pretty well. But after I quit using the stuff, my problems came back...although now I can tell that it's coming back a tiny bit more each day....just gotta wait it out I guess.

Plus, this past year or so, I've been really heavy on the juice...not so much dose wise, but extended periods of time on. This experience is making me want to stop using AAS for good...just not worth it to me anymore...among other reasons.

I'll be using USP's new beta Powerfull as soon as it gets here...it's supposed to help out in this area as well as many others, so if it's all it's cracked up to be, and doesn't supress HPTA, then it will probably be all I use...I'll be keeping an update thread soon, so check it out . :)
 
Maybe 2-3 weekers with plenty of time off are the best all around option for your health. I went thought the same crap and after your back to normal it still screw's with your head.

Also looks like the the SD, M1T and the suppressive stuff is the problem. Maybe you guys should switch to less suppressive hormones.
 
badbart said:
Maybe 2-3 weekers with plenty of time off are the best all around option for your health. I went thought the same crap and after your back to normal it still screw's with your head.

Also looks like the the SD, M1T and the suppressive stuff is the problem. Maybe you guys should switch to less suppressive hormones.
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last cycle was test/dbol. ;) I'm not a fan of anything less than 8 weeks. Your body needs time to adapt to the new weight. 2-3 weeks is not enough time for this to happen...this is why you see so many guys go up and down in size...they use orals and no injects...not a good idea for obvious reasons.

And the guys that say they gain 15-20 lbs. in 2-3 weeks are very mistaken. Most of this weight is either water, glycogen over-compensation, etc. or a combination of. The water/glycogen weight may even stick around for awhile as well, but it will eventually get pissed out...the human body cannot possibly gain that amount of weight in muscle lbs. in only 2-3 weeks....there is no such animal.

Like I said though, I was on and off for a very long time. 8on/8off, 12on/12off, 16on/16 off, etc...probably spent more time on than off in the last two years...will have to simply take a long break for things to get back to normal.
 
lifted said:
last cycle was test/dbol. ;) I'm not a fan of anything less than 8 weeks. Your body needs time to adapt to the new weight. 2-3 weeks is not enough time for this to happen...this is why you see so many guys go up and down in size...they use orals and no injects...not a good idea for obvious reasons.

And the guys that say they gain 15-20 lbs. in 2-3 weeks are very mistaken. Most of this weight is either water, glycogen over-compensation, etc. or a combination of. The water/glycogen weight may even stick around for awhile as well, but it will eventually get pissed out...the human body cannot possibly gain that amount of weight in muscle lbs. in only 2-3 weeks....there is no such animal.

Like I said though, I was on and off for a very long time. 8on/8off, 12on/12off, 16on/16 off, etc...probably spent more time on than off in the last two years...will have to simply take a long break for things to get back to normal.
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I agree that longer is better for over all growth, I go back and forth which is better for me. I'd love to be on for 8-12 weeks, but of afraid of suppression. Maybe these guy were using highly suppressive hormones. Maybe a lot of these guys were running the highly suppressive legal orals. Or too many cycles without enough time off. I keep debating with myself which is better trade off.


lifted said:
And the guys that say they gain 15-20 lbs. in 2-3 weeks are very mistaken. Most of this weight is either water, glycogen over-compensation, etc. or a combination of. The water/glycogen weight may even stick around for awhile as well, but it will eventually get pissed out...the human body cannot possibly gain that amount of weight in muscle lbs. in only 2-3 weeks....there is no such animal.
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Agree 100%
 
try maca extract 4:1 at any bulk supplier at 2-4 grams.....the **** works, next on the line would be longjack....i think nutraplanet has the horny jack stack which is maca, longjack, and horneygoat weed
 
I had a similar problem after PCT following my last run of halodrol/prostan....I couldnt maintain wood for longer than 10 min, my chick was going to KILL me, it sucked...both DHEA and powerfull helped me get back to normal......I love that stuff...powerfull is the bomb and that was the old version, I cant wait to start my bottles of my new version
 
DmitryWI said:
Hey, Kwyck, you still alive! How's it going? Must of been pretty busy, ay? :)
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Not so busy--mostly lazy. And, with me getting fat and losing muscle like crazy, why they hell would I want to look at all of you fwckers getting big and ripped? :duel:

Good to see ya'll 'round again though. :)
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Not so busy--mostly lazy. And, with me getting fat and losing muscle like crazy, why they hell would I want to look at all of you fwckers getting big and ripped? :duel:

Good to see ya'll 'round again though. :)
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Muscle memory big K, you'll be back bro!

You just easing back into a normal workout routine? Have Ms. Gimpy whip you back into shape :whip:

Now for my own personal ED story...


A long time ago I tested this Product X transdermal non-PH for a company called Legal Gear. It worked really well for me, and a few months later I decided to buy the commercially released version now that it was out. I got a very different experience with that from the one I tested, and basically it killed my c0ck for a couple months.

I tried everything from Ginseng, Ginko, Nutrex Vitrix, to Protein Factory's Unleashed. They all did make a difference, but only time brought it back to normal. It sucked though cause it happened a few weeks after I met this girl, and we had been fvcking like rabbits and she was all about my c0ck, and then disaster struck and she took it personally, even though I tried to tell her it was not her. No fun for anyone!
 
BigCasino said:
Muscle memory big K, you'll be back bro!

You just easing back into a normal workout routine? Have Ms. Gimpy whip you back into shape :whip:

Now for my own personal ED story...


A long time ago I tested this Product X transdermal non-PH for a company called Legal Gear. It worked really well for me, and a few months later I decided to buy the commercially released version now that it was out. I got a very different experience with that from the one I tested, and basically it killed my c0ck for a couple months.

No offense, next time this happens buy some liquid viagra, cialis. I have had one whole night of explaining my heart to a woman to make her feel wanted. A very tough night of what should have been sex and had to be cuddle time for 10 hours!! If you toy with your hormones, you should always be willing to pony up and keep the RAMBO status primed!

I tried everything from Ginseng, Ginko, Nutrex Vitrix, to Protein Factory's Unleashed. They all did make a difference, but only time brought it back to normal. It sucked though cause it happened a few weeks after I met this girl, and we had been fvcking like rabbits and she was all about my c0ck, and then disaster struck and she took it personally, even though I tried to tell her it was not her. No fun for anyone!
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No offense, next time this happens buy some liquid viagra, cialis. I have had one whole night of explaining my heart to a woman to make her feel wanted. A very tough night of what should have been sex and had to be cuddle time for 10 hours!! If you toy with your hormones, you should always be willing to pony up and keep the RAMBO status primed!
 
solarize said:
I ran fenugreek whole time during post cycle therapy.
My libido is back, as in I am horny, but not maintain erection.

LIke totally impossible :( never happened before. Been like this for week and a half :(


very bad.
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This happened to me one time.
I AM CONVIENCED that half the time it really was the problem I thought it was, and the rest of the time (after like a week or so) it was that I was SOO worried that I wouldnt be able to keep it up, that it actually did become a problem.

Just take a week off of sex, dont take any supplements, let your body get closer to its natural balance of T/E... smack it a few times:icon_lol: . <--- this will be so you can eventually convience yourself that it's just in your head, and you'lll regain your sexual confidence, and the stress that it might happen goes away..
I COULD be a self fullfilling prophecy,...

Of course, it could just take a littel longer this time if you used progestins in your cycle, or supplemented too heavily durring PCT (I totally beleive this can happen to a point)

Anyways- this is just some non-medical advice which just might be worth a try.
 
if you havent tried maca pick some up from np or other bulk supplier.. @ 4 grams a day after a week you should deff notice something.
 
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