The Armstrong situation

Knowbull

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I think its a a crock. They hounded him from the start. This is professional sports in 2012. Comments?
 
Seems like this is going to be the next big thing for a while - just look at this pas Olympics - seemed like any time anything happened "OMFG PEDs!!!!".....
 
they are all on doping....they have to be because of health reasons. It's impossible to do what they do without it.

I don't blame them. In every pro sport you have to use to be able to train and compete that often.

Screw all the former team mates of armstrong. Armstrong is still the king.
 
Who cares. Let athletes dope/juice. Baseball fuggin blows without it. Bike racing isnt any better.

USADA needed to get off lances cancer free nuts as soon as he tested clean. Sh1ts been going on for what seems like 10 years. Find him guilty without proof or innocent and move the fock on!
 
superbeast668 said:
Who cares. Let athletes dope/juice. Baseball fuggin blows without it. Bike racing isnt any better.

USADA needed to get off lances cancer free nuts as soon as he tested clean. Sh1ts been going on for what seems like 10 years. Find him guilty without proof or innocent and move the fock on!
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totally agree
 
Why not let everyone in sports juice and they should have Olympics that your allowed to juice they would be pretty sick :)...it's their lives and bodies...who gives anyone the right to tell anyone else what they can and can't put into their bodies for sports enhancement
 
howwedo107 said:
Why not let everyone in sports juice and they should have Olympics that your allowed to juice they would be pretty sick :)...it's their lives and bodies...who gives anyone the right to tell anyone else what they can and can't put into their bodies for sports enhancement
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I dont think that the olympics would change much honestly! Or america wouldn't win as much lol
 
superbeast668 said:
I dont think that the olympics would change much honestly! Or america wouldn't win as much lol
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When we have a 500lb massive guy throwing a shotput a few thousand meters that'd be fun haha I think they'd change to a point because they wouldn't have to hide it haha man that sounds awesome
 
howwedo107 said:
When we have a 500lb massive guy throwing a shotput a few thousand meters that'd be fun haha I think they'd change to a point because they wouldn't have to hide it haha man that sounds awesome
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true on the hiding it part. dudes would probably squat and snatch a little more too id imagine. and next up ____ from ____ is going to attempt a squat of 950KG...
 
superbeast668 said:
true on the hiding it part. dudes would probably squat and snatch a little more too id imagine. and next up ____ from ____ is going to attempt a squat of 950KG...
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Lol I could see the weight classes changing too..
 
Drugs were meant to be in sports; plain and simple.

The only reason it can't be out in the open is because of the taboo surrounding drugs in general.

Just look at the olympics. They test for marijuana, and you can be banned for using it.

I think it's safe to say cannabis isn't going to give anybody a competitive edge unless it's an eating contest, or a sleeping contest.

It's all just a bunch of nonsense.
 
What's weird is the Armstrong thing was all hearsay, there is no physical evidence. In sports hearsay evidence as proof is called a WITCH HUNT -- by definition.

It's time to go after the witch hunters. I am the WITCHDOCTOR!

It would be interesting to see if any of the guys involved in this could survive their lives put under a magnifying glass over the past 20 years, and all their little flaws and "morale fudges" reported. And if as I suspect they are totally amoral and this is just a power move, than turn up the heat to let them understand that low lives such as themselves should not be casting stones.
 
rugger48 said:
Seems kind of odd there are 10 ex- teammates who would testify against him.
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Ha! Do you know how many ex-teammates you have over more than a decade in that sport. And the above people are correct, virtually 100% of the competitive athletes in Tour De France are doping. This is about nothing more than a new group making a name for themselves and getting power. The inane bull about making a "level playing field" is silly. Maybe we should go back to the weird rules of the 1920's where even hiring a "Professional Coach" isn't allowed because it makes for an unlevel playing field.

Whose to say some of these ex-teammates haven't been slipped some money for their testimony, as this group is trying to create authority out of nothing. A payoff here, money under the table there -- it's possible, and that's why you need physical proof or it's a witch hunt.

If you have an overview of distance cycling, it tends to make enemies of former teammates for numerous reasons as most teammates are required to be role players and even sacrifice their own fame and glory for the team and the teams star, but it isn't like basketball or football. This gets a lot or resentment as in regular team sports the team gets the biggest glory, but in cycling, the star gets the hogs share of the glory.
 
What they're doing to Armstrong is bull****. The USADA has no right to strip him of those titles and they're well beyond the statute of limitations even if they did. Armstrong never failed a urinalysis but now USADA says it can test a sample EIGHT or more years after it was initially provided? What kind of rancid piss perverts are in this organization anyway - how can anyone guarantee the "chain of custody" was maintained for all these years and no one ****ed with his piss?

This is the ****ing Nazi party all over again - and they're using OUR TAX DOLLARS to pull off this ****.

And - it's not just Armstrong - pretty soon this agency will be at the forefront of policing what kind of supps can even be sold in stores unless they are checked.

MOTHER ****ERS
 
rugger48 said:
Seems kind of odd there are 10 ex- teammates who would testify against him.
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It is kind of odd - either they hate Armstrong - or they're being PAID OFF to testify by the USADA.

"Hey - you finger Lance and we don't **** with you ... deal?"
 
HondaV65 said:
It is kind of odd - either they hate Armstrong - or they're being PAID OFF to testify by the USADA.

"Hey - you finger Lance and we don't **** with you ... deal?"
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Yes, that's the most likely. They just promise "informers" immunity. And if any of you have read about the nature of the sport, it's also likely that one creates many enemies from former teammates.

Again this is exactly the way witch hunts work.
 
edje007 said:
I bet hamilton is onvolved
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Yes, Scott has his own competing cancer donation foundation.

Also, Greg LeMond would keep up with all the riders who may have hated or feuded with Armstrong and implored them feverishly to come forth with damning testimony. Envy knows no bounds. This is so many years after the races.

Some media is even comparing Travis Tygart the CEO of this organization with Eliot Ness. I kind of see him as a big eared Puritan fool sending helpless individuals to the gallows on hearsay.
 
What worries me about Travis Tygart and this company is they may be trying to get Big Pharm money behind them and go after the supplement industry. This guy has to be a total sleaze. Between them and Big Pharm owned senators like Durbin from Illinois they may get real power to destroy the supplement industry here. Tygart is ambitious and desires to get his personal finances way up there, and only big pharm can supply that kind of money. That's the only reason i can think of their witch hunt on a high profile and loved athlete such as Armstrong. This was also a testing ground. Expect this sleaze Tygart to try and take away legal supplements.
 
Personally I think Armstrong used. EVERYONE was doing it, and plenty of evidence suggests he did as well. A non positive test is hardly proof of innocence, it isn't like it's impossible to use and come up clean, that's what doctors get paid the big bucks for.

That said, it's still a witch hunt and since he didn't test positive don't take away his titles.
 
Geoforce said:
Personally I think Armstrong used. EVERYONE was doing it, and plenty of evidence suggests he did as well. A non positive test is hardly proof of innocence, it isn't like it's impossible to use and come up clean, that's what doctors get paid the big bucks for.

That said, it's still a witch hunt and since he didn't test positive don't take away his titles.
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damn right
 
They had to get him for something he embarrassed hardcore bikers around the world by dominating the sport.
 
NO ONE (including Armstrong) was clean. Literally everyone was doping at the time and it was pretty well established. I really don't see how you take away someone's titles who didn't test positive though. That said, what a bang up job they are doing on him. Christ I fully expect them to blame him for JFK's death next.
 
Just because many are juicing does not mean everyone is. Just because many are breaking the rules does not mean he should go unpunished for breaking the rules and it should be allowed.Imagine legalizing PEDs. Many Athletes begin sports when they are 5. Legalizing PEDs just tells kids its ok and you need to juice. Do you want children, their parents and coaches juicing them up? Do you have any kids? Is that the shortsighted world you want to live in? (Don't give me some lame excuse that all kids are juicing Therefore its ok!) Not everyone juices. legalizing it is not punishing it is not fair to those that do not want to juice and don't want to take the risks that will affect their health from drug use.)Bunch of wrongs does not make a right.
 
Just because many are juicing does not mean everyone is. Just because many are breaking the rules does not mean he should go unpunished for breaking the rules and it should be allowed.Imagine legalizing PEDs in sports. Many Athletes begin sports when they are 5. Legalizing PEDs just tells kids its ok and you need to juice. Do you want children, their parents and coaches juicing them up? Do you have any kids? Do you want them juicing because its necessary to compete. Is that the shortsighted world you want to live in? (Don't give me some lame excuse that all kids are juicing Therefore its ok!) Not everyone juices. legalizing it is not punishing it is not fair to those that do not want to juice and don't want to take the health risks from drug use.)Bunch of wrongs does not make a right.
 
luclyluciano said:
Just because many are juicing does not mean everyone is. Just because many are breaking the rules does not mean he should go unpunished for breaking the rules and it should be allowed.Imagine legalizing PEDs. Many Athletes begin sports when they are 5. Legalizing PEDs just tells kids its ok and you need to juice. Do you want children, their parents and coaches juicing them up? Do you have any kids? Is that the shortsighted world you want to live in? (Don't give me some lame excuse that all kids are juicing Therefore its ok!) Not everyone juices. legalizing it is not punishing it is not fair to those that do not want to juice and don't want to take the risks that will affect their health from drug use.)Bunch of wrongs does not make a right.
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Who is arguing for kids to juice? And FWIW, I would say at this time everyone WAS juicing that was an elite biker. It's been pretty well established.
 
Geoforce said:
Who is arguing for kids to juice? And FWIW, I would say at this time everyone WAS juicing that was an elite biker. It's been pretty well established.
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Well HELLO!
There are those here that are saying to legalize juicing and others justifying it by assuming EVERYONE was juicing implying that makes it ok. I am responding to why it's NOT ok to go unpunished and why it should NOT be legalized.

Why should athletes who care about their future health be pressured into juicing because others push the envelope and choose to break the rules.
The assumption that EVERYONE is doing it and breaking the rules is not a good a good enough excuse why it's ok! Actually it's quite lame and something children would say!

You break the rules and get caught you pay the consequences. Can't do the time (consequences)? Don't do the crime!
 
luclyluciano said:
Well HELLO!
There are those here that are saying to legalize juicing and others justifying it by assuming EVERYONE was juicing implying that makes it ok. I am responding to why it's NOT ok to go unpunished and why it should NOT be legalized.

Why should athletes who care about their future health be pressured into juicing because others push the envelope and choose to break the rules.
The assumption that EVERYONE is doing it and breaking the rules is not a good a good enough excuse why it's ok! Actually it's quite lame and something children would say!

You break the rules and get caught you pay the consequences. Can't do the time (consequences)? Don't do the crime!
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This is the most ludacris statement. You do realize ALL sports are doping in one way or another. Do you really think all these nfl linemen are that huge naturally? That somehow humans keep managing to break records year after year with just "good genetics" all sports dope and singling any one person out for it is ridiculous. Also no one is saying kids should use were arguing for healthy fit athletes in which case steroids can help their game tremendously.. Stop being a troll and leave this thread
 
luclyluciano said:
Well HELLO!
There are those here that are saying to legalize juicing and others justifying it by assuming EVERYONE was juicing implying that makes it ok. I am responding to why it's NOT ok to go unpunished and why it should NOT be legalized.

Why should athletes who care about their future health be pressured into juicing because others push the envelope and choose to break the rules.
The assumption that EVERYONE is doing it and breaking the rules is not a good a good enough excuse why it's ok! Actually it's quite lame and something children would say!

You break the rules and get caught you pay the consequences. Can't do the time (consequences)? Don't do the crime!
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How is it saying juicing is ok by admitting everyone was doing it? If you don't believe everyone was using PED's at the time you simply haven't read anything on the subject nor looked at the difference in times and power outputs now vs. then. For some reason you think this means I'm implying it's ok to juice when I'm doing nothing of the sort.
 
I think the "everyone" was doing it is grossly over simplifying the issue. Personally, I couldn't care less. But Armstrong was portrayed as a high character individual. Again, I dot have a problem that he was doping. But the guy denied, denied, denied until the very last second...and at that very last second, when he could no longer stop the report from coming out, he hid. Lance Armstrong is a bum.
 
forcefan27 said:
I think the "everyone" was doing it is grossly over simplifying the issue. Personally, I couldn't care less. But Armstrong was portrayed as a high character individual. Again, I dot have a problem that he was doping. But the guy denied, denied, denied until the very last second...and at that very last second, when he could no longer stop the report from coming out, he hid. Lance Armstrong is a bum.
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I already thought he was a bum I mean the dude beat cancer an as soon as he gets famous leaves his wife and kids and marries Cheryl crow. Kind of a douche move.
 
crispycrown said:
This is the most ludacris statement. You do realize ALL sports are doping in one way or another. Do you really think all these nfl linemen are that huge naturally? That somehow humans keep managing to break records year after year with just "good genetics" all sports dope and singling any one person out for it is ridiculous. Also no one is saying kids should use were arguing for healthy fit athletes in which case steroids can help their game tremendously.. Stop being a troll and leave this thread
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Agreed, fortytwo years ago when I was in high school there were at least a half dozen jocks that were being prescribed anabolics. When I got to college, it was pretty obvious that the majority of the football team was juicing and had been for years prior. Off course doesnt make it right and this is just the way sports has evolved, world wide. Its an accepted practice, similar to parents having their kids prescribed amphetamines so they can excel academically. This is 2012 folks!
 
Knowbull said:
Agreed, fortytwo years ago when I was in high school there were at least a half dozen jocks that were being prescribed anabolics. When I got to college, it was pretty obvious that the majority of the football team was juicing and had been for years prior. Off course doesnt make it right and this is just the way sports has evolved, world wide. Its an accepted practice, similar to parents having their kids prescribed amphetamines so they can excel academically. This is 2012 folks!
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Truth brother, this reminds me of miles brother in bigger stronger faster being like dad I NEED money for steroids everyone else is doing it and I can't keep up without it. Sad that its come to that for even high school sports nowadays but it is the way the games being played for sure.
 
NOt that i have read the whole thread so sorry if this has been stated, but when they showed the conference announcing Armstrong's dismissal they said that the medal cant be awarded to anyone because every one of the athletes that would have been eligable to recieve it were caught doping.

With that said....if all of them are doping, why not just give everyone their medals back. It seems everyone was on an even playing field.
 
Docmattic said:
NOt that i have read the whole thread so sorry if this has been stated, but when they showed the conference announcing Armstrong's dismissal they said that the medal cant be awarded to anyone because every one of the athletes that would have been eligable to recieve it were caught doping.

With that said....if all of them are doping, why not just give everyone their medals back. It seems everyone was on an even playing field.
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Tbh it's probably because it makes good news. They've drawn this whole ordeal out so ultimately these company's just want to be in the spotlight a bit longer. Medias demonizing view of doping always baffles me. You'd think there'd be a news station out there that's like hey anabolics can be used safely of you're a healthy athletic male.
 
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