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First cycle to pin

djmikeyspikes

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IM ready to do my first real gear cycle. I want to shred down to 6% bf. i want popping abs etc.

I got a diet plan and a workout schedule going just want to know what the best gear to grab is.

Thinking about pinning twice a week.
 
Do this and log it, minus the dbol and epi it's a typical beginners cycle, assuming you are of age and have been lifting consistently for at least 1 year.
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TallPaul said:
Do this and log it, minus the dbol and epi it's a typical beginners cycle, assuming you are of age and have been lifting consistently for at least 1 year.
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I an of age im 22. Been liftin for 3yrs consistently now. And lifted on and off before then.

I was doing some reading and read that tren ace would be better then test for multiple reasons.

1 being its more powerful but also how it doesnt convert to estrogen and test does? So less side effects.

Just didnt know if my first time usig ass if tren is to powerful.
 
djmikeyspikes said:
I an of age im 22. Been liftin for 3yrs consistently now. And lifted on and off before then.

I was doing some reading and read that tren ace would be better then test for multiple reasons.

1 being its more powerful but also how it doesnt convert to estrogen and test does? So less side effects.

Just didnt know if my first time usig ass if tren is to powerful.
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Most would agree Tren has too many sides and requires a lot of experience controlling these sides and a well thought out PCT. At 22, you have a **** ton of genetic potential you could realize with only the use of Milkdrol and Steakdrol. That being said, Test E would be the most common beginner cycle, you should probably start with prohormones if you are determined to use something as they are all going to be banned soon, stock up now.
 
TallPaul said:
Do this and log it, minus the dbol and epi it's a typical beginners cycle, assuming you are of age and have been lifting consistently for at least 1 year.
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Jeez you have to be kidding me? Is there a way to negative rep you? I would if it was possible. He's 21 and this is his first cycle. U didn't even ask his age. So u believe it's ok to suggest to a 21 year old to run eq and test in there first cycle?

U should not be running any gear or ph for a while. U obviously don't know anything about it leave it alone. If your really serious and aren't going to listen to me then pick up some steakadrol and tunavar. Throw in some whey protein and some bcaas and u should be g2g.
 
Click on the star below his profile pic and click I disaprove.

BigShadow said:
Jeez you have to be kidding me? Is there a way to negative rep you? I would if it was possible. He's 21 and this is his first cycle. U didn't even ask his age. So u believe it's ok to suggest to a 21 year old to run eq and test in there first cycle?

U should not be running any gear or ph for a while. U obviously don't know anything about it leave it alone. If your really serious and aren't going to listen to me then pick up some steakadrol and tunavar. Throw in some whey protein and some bcaas and u should be g2g.
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BigShadow said:
Jeez you have to be kidding me? Is there a way to negative rep you? I would if it was possible. He's 21 and this is his first cycle. U didn't even ask his age. So u believe it's ok to suggest to a 21 year old to run eq and test in there first cycle?
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To be fair I did say "assuming you are of age and have been lifting consistently" but you're right. Maybe I assumed with 160 posts he had heard that before.
 
TallPaul said:
Most would agree Tren has too many sides and requires a lot of experience controlling these sides and a well thought out PCT. At 22, you have a **** ton of genetic potential you could realize with only the use of Milkdrol and Steakdrol. That being said, Test E would be the most common beginner cycle, you should probably start with prohormones if you are determined to use something as they are all going to be banned soon, stock up now.
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The milkadrol and steakadrol I approve of.
 
BigShadow said:
Jeez you have to be kidding me? Is there a way to negative rep you? I would if it was possible. He's 21 and this is his first cycle. U didn't even ask his age. So u believe it's ok to suggest to a 21 year old to run eq and test in there first cycle?

U should not be running any gear or ph for a while. U obviously don't know anything about it leave it alone. If your really serious and aren't going to listen to me then pick up some steakadrol and tunavar. Throw in some whey protein and some bcaas and u should be g2g.
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Agreed, worst advice I've seen on here.
 
TallPaul said:
To be fair I did say "assuming you are of age and have been lifting consistently" but you're right. Maybe I assumed with 160 posts he had heard that before.
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Wasn't trying to start a war. Didn't see your second post and I agree with that post. Not the ph usage but to each his own on that.
 
Of u don't know that a beginner should be pinning test e alone and feel it out see how the body reacts with a proper pct and diet and workout then u shouldn't be looking for "gear" advice. Just my pennies.
 
djmikeyspikes said:
I an of age im 22. Been liftin for 3yrs consistently now. And lifted on and off before then.

I was doing some reading and read that tren ace would be better then test for multiple reasons.

1 being its more powerful but also how it doesnt convert to estrogen and test does? So less side effects.

Just didnt know if my first time usig ass if tren is to powerful.
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Tren better then good old reliable test? And less sides? Are u ****img kidding me? Bro just stop! Jeez didn't even see this. What the hell is wrong with people?
 
cokeholio said:
Of u don't know that a beginner should be pinning test e alone and feel it out see how the body reacts with a proper pct and diet and workout then u shouldn't be looking for "gear" advice. Just my pennies.
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Rep^^^^this and on another note if you don't know this you shouldn't be giving advice as well! Rep
 
^^ deffly read on a few sites then tren ace is 500 on a anabolic scale why test is 100 ... Making it better and more powerful


Also read that it dowsnt convert to estrogen while test does...


Just statin what i read
 
BigShadow said:
Rep^^^^this and on another note if you don't know this you shouldn't be giving advice as well! Rep
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Right, because suggesting HCG to keep his balls going and EQ which is known to be fairly mild and a great complement to test was horrible advice, get off your high horse bro, he's got 160 posts, how do you not read this same old advice over and over again.
 
My gripe with the cycle laid out was the fact that is was quite hepatotoxic. Do you really want to be running epi and dbol for 10 weeks? Plus this is without the aid of tudca or udca.
On top of this stabbing yourself 6 times a week is a bit brutal for the first time you pin.

Also why are you running 2 AIs with epistane that sounds like you hate your joints and liver.

TallPaul said:
Right, because suggesting HCG to keep his balls going and EQ which is known to be fairly mild and a great complement to test was horrible advice, get off your high horse bro, he's got 160 posts, how do you not read this same old advice over and over again.
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Krampus said:
My gripe with the cycle laid out was the fact that is was quite hepatotoxic. Do you really want to be running epi and dbol for 10 weeks? Plus this is without the aid of tudca or udca.
On top of this stabbing yourself 6 times a week is a bit brutal for the first time you pin.

Also why are you running 2 AIs with epistane that sounds like you hate your joints and liver.
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Huh? 2 AI's? Test and EQ are injectables and the dbol was scheduled for 4 weeks with 10mg PreWO, pretty common. And I didn't suggest the Dbol and Epi for OP. Putting Epi at the end of a cycle was a good way to help with bloat from what I understand and that would not be crazy bad for your liver considering the staples he would be running.

The staples would be:
Orange Triad
Fish Oil
Liv.52
UDCA
RecoverPro
Glutamine
Taurine when needed
Cissus when needed

Another given, guess I should have laid out every detail considering my post count to avoid flaming.
 
Armidex and forma, and epistane lowers estro levels as well, so your joints would be dry as a desert.

TallPaul said:
Huh? 2 AI's? Test and EQ are injectables and the dbol was scheduled for 4 weeks with 10mg PreWO, pretty common. And I didn't suggest the Dbol and Epi for OP. Putting Epi at the end of a cycle was a good way to help with bloat from what I understand and that would not be crazy bad for your liver considering the staples he would be running.

The staples would be:
Orange Triad
Fish Oil
Liv.52
UDCA
RecoverPro
Glutamine
Taurine when needed
Cissus when needed

Another given, guess I should have laid out every detail considering my post count to avoid flaming.
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Krampus said:
Armidex and forma, and epistane lowers estro levels as well, so your joints would be dry as a desert.
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Oh I see, the Aromasin would be only if gyno begins to develop and I figure Cissus could help with joints if that happened, good point though.
 
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