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looking to make my epi/tren stack a little more intense

gymfean said:
really? Why would that be?

are you saying that from experience or are you saying that from research of the compounds?
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Research and anecdotal reports from several ppl. Winny interacts with the progesterone receptor blocking progesterone to binding to the receptor.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
A high dose of pstanz would prevent sides from trenazone.
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Do you have a link to any info backing this up or is this broscience? I hope this kid knows about the possible prolactin induced gyno with trenazone. Maybe focus on what the diet/routine will be while on cycle? That will lead to better gains as well rather than overdoing it! It's only his second cycle


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Dr.Stri8ed said:
Research and anecdotal reports from several ppl. Winny interacts with the progesterone receptor blocking progesterone to binding to the receptor.
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Didn't u read this? Google it.
 
Jameson653 said:
Do you have a link to any info backing this up or is this broscience? I hope this kid knows about the possible prolactin induced gyno with trenazone. Maybe focus on what the diet/routine will be while on cycle? That will lead to better gains as well rather than overdoing it! It's only his second cycle


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yes, i have data backing up this for winstrol. it is anecdotal that stanozolol thp ether will do the same thing, as i have been recomending it since i experimented with it myself with pro dienolone, and so far everyone who has tried it has not had any of the typical sides seen.

now, do you have any data showing gyno is caused from prolactin, or data showing dienolone or other nor androgens will cause gyno specifically from prolactin?
 
Is this true for masteron as well?
 
OK thanks bro, I'm reading some conflicting stuff on the net, I think that some people out there might be confusing masteron with winstrol in this aspect...assuming that masteron binds to progestoren receptors the way that winnie does, because they are both so similar.

After doing some research, I am also going to add some B6 to this cycle (200-400mg a day max), which helps prevent progestoren related sides, apparently. I will also just make sure that I take my prami.

I have always been a heavy drinker, so liver toxic AAS are absolutely off limits for me, otherwise I'd probably consider running some winnie with the tren (I am going to get blood work done after this cycle and in between all future cycles FYI). Prami, B6, and keeping estrogen low ought to do it.
 
toolband said:
OK thanks bro, I'm reading some conflicting stuff on the net, I think that some people out there might be confusing masteron with winstrol in this aspect...assuming that masteron binds to progestoren receptors the way that winnie does, because they are both so similar.

After doing some research, I am also going to add some B6 to this cycle (200-400mg a day max), which helps prevent progestoren related sides, apparently. I will also just make sure that I take my prami.

I have always been a heavy drinker, so liver toxic AAS are absolutely off limits for me, otherwise I'd probably consider running some winnie with the tren (I am going to get blood work done after this cycle and in between all future cycles FYI). Prami, B6, and keeping estrogen low ought to do it.
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Yeah u should b gtg bro.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
No masteron doesn't interact with the PR, but it will help with estrogen.
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because of the structure of androgens and progestins, androgens are able to bind with and interact with the pr, all of them.
but

based off of the structural characteristics, interaction, and binding strength will vary.

im not sure what masteron's is, but im sure it's easy to find out.
 
jbryand101b said:
because of the structure of androgens and progestins, androgens are able to bind with and interact with the pr, all of them.
but

based off of the structural characteristics, interaction, and binding strength will vary.

im not sure what masteron's is, but im sure it's easy to find out.
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Ohhh okay, good info bro.
 
Hell yeah!!! This is great info brothers! Thank you so much!


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I just wanted to update anyone that was interested I am 3 weeks into my stacks no major strength gains yet but I have gained 6 pounds will losing about 2 percent body fat. and so far no sides at all. I have been running trenazone at 2 but starting week 4 I'm going to up it to 3Mg. I really do hope the strength gains kick in soon though because I am enjoying this stack to the max seen results day by day but the strength games just aren't there like I was hoping.
 
gymfean said:
I just wanted to update anyone that was interested I am 3 weeks into my stacks no major strength gains yet but I have gained 6 pounds will losing about 2 percent body fat. and so far no sides at all. I have been running trenazone at 2 but starting week 4 I'm going to up it to 3Mg. I really do hope the strength gains kick in soon though because I am enjoying this stack to the max seen results day by day but the strength games just aren't there like I was hoping.
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You're bumping trenazone to 3ml right?
 
gymfean said:
that is the plan I have enough to run it at 3ml for the last 3Weeks so I figure why not since I haven't had any sides yet.

what's your opinion?
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That's fine, u do have something for prolactin sides though right?
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
That's fine, u do have something for prolactin sides though right?
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No I don't. Should I? like what? I haven't read anything on that with trenazone. I know it's possible but I didn't grab anything for it cuz I haven't heard of it happening to anyone.
 
gymfean said:
No I don't. Should I? like what? I haven't read anything on that with trenazone. I know it's possible but I didn't grab anything for it cuz I haven't heard of it happening to anyone.
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Its common with 19nors, I mean the epi will help out since its androgenic but now you're bumping to 225mg of dienelone, which is a lot and will increase your chance of sides. I'd get some p5p just in case.
 
i dont have any idea why anyone would need more than 120mg of pro dienolone.

whoever is using that much, best invest in some winstrol, or 3-4 bottles of stanozol.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
Its common with 19nors, I mean the epi will help out since its androgenic but now you're bumping to 225mg of dienelone, which is a lot and will increase your chance of sides. I'd get some p5p just in case.
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Ya I know it's common with 19nors (I ran tren-13 with vitex) but I thought with epi and a solid PCT I'd be good. But ya I guess if i'm doing 3 I should have some onhand.
 
gymfean said:
Ya I know it's common with 19nors (I ran tren-13 with vitex) but I thought with epi and a solid PCT I'd be good. But ya I guess if i'm doing 3 I should have some onhand.
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Oh you're running pstanz with it too?
 
Is there any pstanz or stano-drol even available anymore?? Havent see that stuff for sale for a bit, at least in the CEL brand..
 
biggfly said:
Is there any pstanz or stano-drol even available anymore?? Havent see that stuff for sale for a bit, at least in the CEL brand..
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A few pstanz clones, a lot of stano clones r out though.
 
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