The Adonis Complex

technique88 said:
Haha oh no worries. Are you planning on running it?
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Idk. I'm thinking about running sd again. Love this ish bro. Some slight back pumps but besides that I'm golden. Libido is still high.
 
Jbeezee said:
Idk. I'm thinking about running sd again. Love this ish bro. Some slight back pumps but besides that I'm golden. Libido is still high.
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SD is sme good sh*t. I used it for a kick start to my cycle, it was the first time I've used it.
 
technique88 said:
SD is sme good sh*t. I used it for a kick start to my cycle, it was the first time I've used it.
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I love it bro. Completely agrees with my body as far as I can tell/feel. I read a lot of stuff about how first timers shouldn't run it so I was a little worried at first but now I'm really glad I did. I had a buddy who said he only made it 9 days on it cuz the sides were so bad. I'm hoping when I get my bloods done they come back fairly clean. That would be icing on the cake.
 
Jbeezee said:
I love it bro. Completely agrees with my body as far as I can tell/feel. I read a lot of stuff about how first timers shouldn't run it so I was a little worried at first but now I'm really glad I did. I had a buddy who said he only made it 9 days on it cuz the sides were so bad. I'm hoping when I get my bloods done they come back fairly clean. That would be icing on the cake.
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I'm going to have to completely agree. I don't know if it was the test keeping sides to a minimum or not but when I ran SD I didn't experience any sides. I did have some nausea for 3 days but that was about it. I experience more lethargy, high BP, and headaches from my androhard/helladrol cycle. Are you running beastdrol?
 
technique88 said:
I'm going to have to completely agree. I don't know if it was the test keeping sides to a minimum or not but when I ran SD I didn't experience any sides. I did have some nausea for 3 days but that was about it. I experience more lethargy, high BP, and headaches from my androhard/helladrol cycle. Are you running beastdrol?
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M-stane. You ran test e with it? What kind of results did you get?
 
Jbeezee said:
M-stane. You ran test e with it? What kind of results did you get?
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Well I used it as a kick start to the cycle I'm on now. I ran it the first 4 weeks and that's when the test hasn't kicked in yet. I had your standard SD gains without the sides. I will be using SD again my final 2 weeks of cycle, the 2 week period of your last test shot and then PCT to solidfy gains and transition smoother.
 
technique88 said:
Well I used it as a kick start to the cycle I'm on now. I ran it the first 4 weeks and that's when the test hasn't kicked in yet. I had your standard SD gains without the sides. I will be using SD again my final 2 weeks of cycle, the 2 week period of your last test shot and then PCT to solidfy gains and transition smoother.
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Damn that's a lot. How much have you gained?
 
Jbeezee said:
Damn that's a lot. How much have you gained?
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I'm not really a scale person, my BF is on the higher end of the range so its hard to gauge because I'm losing BF and putting on lean muscle. Unfortunately I did get sick my first 2 weeks of SD, that being said, I was out of the gym for 2 weeks and when I got back I was a lot stronger. I put about 0.5 inches on my arms too.
 
Strange day today I must say. Went in to do chest and back but it turned out to be chest. I did start off with dead lifts though. Tomorrow I will hit upper back and biceps.

Is it possible to feel off and have an "off' day while on testosterone? I had 2 days rest, ate very well today, made sure to get in carbs, I had a great night sleep, and drank plenty of water. Even though I felt off I managed to still have some good heavy lifting. I would say my endurance was off more than anything.

I felt weak today =/ even though my lifts say other wise...

Pull ups
BWx10x10x10

Dead lifts
225x12x12
315x10
405x3 (more reps)
315x5

Flat BB bench
225x8
275x6
315x3

Incline BB bench
225x8x8

Decline cable flies
40x20x20
super set with cable push downs

Incline cable flies
65x10x10
super set with cable push downs

Like I said, my lifts were strong but I felt weak and that "empty" feeling. I noticed that I should get wrist wraps because I could definitely got at least 8 reps of 405 on the dead lift but my grip failed me before my actual lower back did. I just couldn't hold onto the weight. I will be incorporating wrist wraps next week.
 
On anabolics or not man, everyone has bad days. Shake it off, keep plowing along man...use it as motivation to make your back/bi day that much more intense.


Think about it this way: a bad day simply grants you a point of reference in regards to how awesome your other days are. If you really think about it, I bet you'll realize today's "off" day probably would have felt like an "on" day when you weren't on anabolics. You're progressing like a beast man, it's your habits and consistency that will yield results, not that one day that kind of sucked. Eat big and keep on keeping on man, I got faith in you!
 
technique88 said:
Strange day today I must say. Went in to do chest and back but it turned out to be chest. I did start off with dead lifts though. Tomorrow I will hit upper back and biceps.

Is it possible to feel off and have an "off' day while on testosterone? I had 2 days rest, ate very well today, made sure to get in carbs, I had a great night sleep, and drank plenty of water. Even though I felt off I managed to still have some good heavy lifting. I would say my endurance was off more than anything.

I felt weak today =/ even though my lifts say other wise...

Pull ups
BWx10x10x10

Dead lifts
225x12x12
315x10
405x3 (more reps)
315x5

Flat BB bench
225x8
275x6
315x3

Incline BB bench
225x8x8

Decline cable flies
40x20x20
super set with cable push downs

Incline cable flies
65x10x10
super set with cable push downs

Like I said, my lifts were strong but I felt weak and that "empty" feeling. I noticed that I should get wrist wraps because I could definitely got at least 8 reps of 405 on the dead lift but my grip failed me before my actual lower back did. I just couldn't hold onto the weight. I will be incorporating wrist wraps next week.
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Off days happen no matter what though. Dust your shoulders off and kill it tomorrow.
 
GreenEarth said:
On anabolics or not man, everyone has bad days. Shake it off, keep plowing along man...use it as motivation to make your back/bi day that much more intense.

Think about it this way: a bad day simply grants you a point of reference in regards to how awesome your other days are. If you really think about it, I bet you'll realize today's "off" day probably would have felt like an "on" day when you weren't on anabolics. You're progressing like a beast man, it's your habits and consistency that will yield results, not that one day that kind of sucked. Eat big and keep on keeping on man, I got faith in you!
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Well put bro. Back is my favorite so ill spread those wings =)
 
Ending thoughts to the day:

I think I know where the weak feeling came from...I tried a full dose of ECA and that's what did me in. So far I've been running a half dose and am slowly tapering up to avoid those sh*tty stimulant feelings and come downs, I hate stim come downs. I hated them so much to the point that if I didn't have xanax on hand then I didn't do cocaine that night =) I gave a full dose of ECA a try to see if I was ready for a full dose...not yet. I was coming down hard so I tired quickly at the gym. Tomorrow I will be running half ECA doses and continue that...

My ECA buds...what do you think of this plan:
Half dose ECA for one week
2nd week full 25mg of ephedrine but half dose (100mg) caffeine
3rd week start the full dosing protocol.

Let me know guys thanx...

Good news has arrived. I received my shipping info for my androlean and androdrive so I should have it by Thursday which is when I was supposed to start it =)

Watch out Adonis, I am going to stomp you.
 
technique88 said:
Ending thoughts to the day:

I think I know where the weak feeling came from...I tried a full dose of ECA and that's what did me in. So far I've been running a half dose and am slowly tapering up to avoid those sh*tty stimulant feelings and come downs, I hate stim come downs. I hated them so much to the point that if I didn't have xanax on hand then I didn't do cocaine that night =) I gave a full dose of ECA a try to see if I was ready for a full dose...not yet. I was coming down hard so I tired quickly at the gym. Tomorrow I will be running half ECA doses and continue that...

My ECA buds...what do you think of this plan:
Half dose ECA for one week
2nd week full 25mg of ephedrine but half dose (100mg) caffeine
3rd week start the full dosing protocol.

Let me know guys thanx...

Good news has arrived. I received my shipping info for my androlean and androdrive so I should have it by Thursday which is when I was supposed to start it =)

Watch out Adonis, I am going to stomp you.
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Yeah ease your way into it fur sure, cuz your body still needs to get used to it.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
Yeah ease your way into it fur sure, cuz your body still needs to get used to it.
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I figured so. At the half dose I feel fine, just a lot of energy so I will stay at it for another week.
 
Solid work out today although one thing annoyed me very much so...

I'm finishing up my T-bar rows, keep in mind I do them by throwing a BB in the corner for support and front load the BB with plates, using the close grip lat pull down handle as my grip...a gym worker approaches me and says I am not allowed to do those. Are you f**king kidding me?! Do I look like an amature to you? His boss sent him to do it, why the hell didn't he come over himself and tell me to stop. F**king p*ssy @$$ gym.

Pull ups
Bwx10x10x10x10
Super set with standing BB shoulder press
135x10x10x10

T bar rows
245x5x5x5
Super set with cable rows
165x12x12x12

Lat pull downs, behind the head (don't usually do these)
135x12x12x12

Curls
80x10x9x8x7x6x5x4x3x2x1
My partner and I passed the weight back and forth only resting as the other hit it.

Machine preacher curls
80x8,70x8,60x8,50x8,40x8,30x8,20x8 (drop set)

Arnold forearm curls
60x15x15x15
Super set with holding 70lb DB for 30 seconds

I followed a heavy chest day with a volume back day. Since I am doing a 6 day split I will do a volume chest day followed by a heavy back day.

Pumped, strong, f**king sh*t up.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
I imagined u destroying that sh*t as I read your workout. That sh*t got me pumped bro haha.
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Todays workout was fueled by pure anger. I wanted to rip the gym apart just to throw it in their p*ssy a$$ faces.
 
technique88 said:
Todays workout was fueled by pure anger. I wanted to rip the gym apart just to throw it in their p*ssy a$$ faces.
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Should have loaded up a bench or deadlift station with a sh*t load of plates then leave it right before you leave the gym. They hate that sh*t.

Or slap that dude with a 45lbs plate.
 
If u show them ur wiener they will let u do what y want
 
Hey Doc when u starting ur cycle
 
Good **** man.

The most frustrating people to deal with in the gym are the weak pu$$y lifters. Too many people hear someone say that and are scared to start at the gym, but that's not what I mean at all: we all had to start somewhere. If there's a kid in the gym who's weak as hell but is seriously kicking his ass with lifting as much as he can, he's admirable in my book: the people I can't stand are the ones doing lifting like total b*tches, regardless of their size. The other day I had to use a cable and there was this 6' 135lbs kid on it, but I didn't mind waiting: he was using a weight that challenged him, taking short rest sets, etc...he was lifting like a lifter, not like a complete wimp. He probably hadn't been lifting long: to rag on those kids is wrong. Like I said, we all started somewhere. He may have just been starting, but he was on the right track and busting his ass to gain muscle.

On the other hand, a few weeks ago I needed to use the smythe machine. This kid (who seemed rather flamboyantly gay...not that that matters, it just gives you a perspective on the situation) was on it with a group of his friends doing flat bench. Look, if you are at the gym with 6 friends and you're all doing flat bench, you don't need to use the smythe machine! What kind of ***** are you? I use it for incline and shoulder press because I go to failure every set and don't have a spotter. What's your excuse, with 5 friends standing there? Not to mention you aren't working to failure. These kids were all working on flat smythe bench with the most awful form I've ever seen. Seriously doing 1/2 reps, and their negative rep lasted about .2 seconds, it didn't look like a negative rep...looked like they were accidentally dropping the bar. They brought it halfway down, and then strained for like 5 seconds to get the positive rep up - and they were all doing 135lbs. Mind you, they were cycling in 6 people - meaning each person, after doing their worthless set, got a good 15 minutes of rest before the next.

I finally went up and asked how many sets they had left (asked the main gay kid cause he kinda seemed to be the ringleader). He goes "Oh...uh, still got 6 left." I was dumbfounded. 6 sets a piece...with 6 people...I'm not waiting a ****ing hour for this machine, and with 6 people there was very little chance of working in. I just subbed in a different exercise rather than dealing with that bull****.

The point here, though, is that those kids were all physically larger than the kid that I had to wait to get off the cable, but they were all a bunch of weak pu$$y lifters, while the skinnier kid was lifting respectfully. It doesn't matter how much weight is on the bar, it matters how you're using it to shape your body, and those 6 kids were one of the saddest spectacles I've ever seen in relation to that. And of course they were the type to gossip in between sets, acting like their large numbers somehow made them more physically qualified to be assh*les on their sets. Damn, my BP is rising just describing it. Maybe it's just because my program focuses on intensity, long negatives, extreme stretches, and short rest sets, but whenever I see these kids doing sh*t I know isn't doing anything for them, it's like "if you're not going to better yourself, get the f*ck off that machine and let someone who knows what he's doing use it."

Imagine you're an incredible violin player. There's a violin on the center of a stage in Carnegie Hall, and the entire place is packed. You start walking up to it, and some other guy grabs it. This guy has never played violin before, knows nothing about it, and just start hitting the strings and trying to play anything he can. You stand there looking at him thinking "I know how to use that thing to please this audience, you have no idea what you're doing, give me the violin." That's how I feel when I see some idiotic lifter using awful form and ROM on a machine that I want to use. You're wasting both my and your time by doing that, stop being a pu$$y and learn how to lift.

Damn!
 
GreenEarth said:
Good **** man.

The most frustrating people to deal with in the gym are the weak pu$$y lifters. Too many people hear someone say that and are scared to start at the gym, but that's not what I mean at all: we all had to start somewhere. If there's a kid in the gym who's weak as hell but is seriously kicking his ass with lifting as much as he can, he's admirable in my book: the people I can't stand are the ones doing lifting like total b*tches, regardless of their size. The other day I had to use a cable and there was this 6' 135lbs kid on it, but I didn't mind waiting: he was using a weight that challenged him, taking short rest sets, etc...he was lifting like a lifter, not like a complete wimp. He probably hadn't been lifting long: to rag on those kids is wrong. Like I said, we all started somewhere. He may have just been starting, but he was on the right track and busting his ass to gain muscle.

On the other hand, a few weeks ago I needed to use the smythe machine. This kid (who seemed rather flamboyantly gay...not that that matters, it just gives you a perspective on the situation) was on it with a group of his friends doing flat bench. Look, if you are at the gym with 6 friends and you're all doing flat bench, you don't need to use the smythe machine! What kind of ***** are you? I use it for incline and shoulder press because I go to failure every set and don't have a spotter. What's your excuse, with 5 friends standing there? Not to mention you aren't working to failure. These kids were all working on flat smythe bench with the most awful form I've ever seen. Seriously doing 1/2 reps, and their negative rep lasted about .2 seconds, it didn't look like a negative rep...looked like they were accidentally dropping the bar. They brought it halfway down, and then strained for like 5 seconds to get the positive rep up - and they were all doing 135lbs. Mind you, they were cycling in 6 people - meaning each person, after doing their worthless set, got a good 15 minutes of rest before the next.

I finally went up and asked how many sets they had left (asked the main gay kid cause he kinda seemed to be the ringleader). He goes "Oh...uh, still got 6 left." I was dumbfounded. 6 sets a piece...with 6 people...I'm not waiting a ****ing hour for this machine, and with 6 people there was very little chance of working in. I just subbed in a different exercise rather than dealing with that bull****.

The point here, though, is that those kids were all physically larger than the kid that I had to wait to get off the cable, but they were all a bunch of weak pu$$y lifters, while the skinnier kid was lifting respectfully. It doesn't matter how much weight is on the bar, it matters how you're using it to shape your body, and those 6 kids were one of the saddest spectacles I've ever seen in relation to that. And of course they were the type to gossip in between sets, acting like their large numbers somehow made them more physically qualified to be assh*les on their sets. Damn, my BP is rising just describing it. Maybe it's just because my program focuses on intensity, long negatives, extreme stretches, and short rest sets, but whenever I see these kids doing sh*t I know isn't doing anything for them, it's like "if you're not going to better yourself, get the f*ck off that machine and let someone who knows what he's doing use it."

Imagine you're an incredible violin player. There's a violin on the center of a stage in Carnegie Hall, and the entire place is packed. You start walking up to it, and some other guy grabs it. This guy has never played violin before, knows nothing about it, and just start hitting the strings and trying to play anything he can. You stand there looking at him thinking "I know how to use that thing to please this audience, you have no idea what you're doing, give me the violin." That's how I feel when I see some idiotic lifter using awful form and ROM on a machine that I want to use. You're wasting both my and your time by doing that, stop being a pu$$y and learn how to lift.

Damn!
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How about curls or seated shoulder press in a squat rack and congregations of idiots around the dumbbell rack. Had one group look at me 3 times and continue to talk while i was standing there trying to rack 75's in theyre spot. I was finally like "yo get out of my f*cking way, quit hanging out around equipment youre not using" loud enough to hear my self over the pantera in my headphones. Wow they moved quick.
 
Haha. Flat bench is a waste of time
 
Completely agree. Incline BB and Flat DB are my go-to chest exercises for adding size, although I like my flies as well.
 
superbeast668 said:
How about curls or seated shoulder press in a squat rack and congregations of idiots around the dumbbell rack. Had one group look at me 3 times and continue to talk while i was standing there trying to rack 75's in theyre spot. I was finally like "yo get out of my f*cking way, quit hanging out around equipment youre not using" loud enough to hear my self over the pantera in my headphones. Wow they moved quick.
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Dude my gym has 1 squat rack...that's right 1! And the **** that thing gets used for is ridiculous sometimes. Drives me crazy. Yesterday it was upright rows and straight bar curls. And of course it's the group of 3 d-bags that think they're hard ass's so they take 5 minutes in between they're sets of 3...foolish
 
^I got you beat man. I had a guy the other day taking up the squat rack doing ONE-ARMED BB CURLS! Was just curling the bar with one arm, insanely off-balance. Switched arms and kept going. I don't think a single person in the gym didn't look over at some point with a face that said "wtf?"
 
GreenEarth said:
^I got you beat man. I had a guy the other day taking up the squat rack doing ONE-ARMED BB CURLS! Was just curling the bar with one arm, insanely off-balance. Switched arms and kept going. I don't think a single person in the gym didn't look over at some point with a face that said "wtf?"
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I'd have told him to GTFO!!! I would have flipped.
 
GreenEarth said:
Completely agree. Incline BB and Flat DB are my go-to chest exercises for adding size, although I like my flies as well.
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Yeah buddy I love flies
 
GreenEarth said:
^I got you beat man. I had a guy the other day taking up the squat rack doing ONE-ARMED BB CURLS! Was just curling the bar with one arm, insanely off-balance. Switched arms and kept going. I don't think a single person in the gym didn't look over at some point with a face that said "wtf?"
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That was me, had to get the 45's in
 
GreenEarth said:
^I got you beat man. I had a guy the other day taking up the squat rack doing ONE-ARMED BB CURLS! Was just curling the bar with one arm, insanely off-balance. Switched arms and kept going. I don't think a single person in the gym didn't look over at some point with a face that said "wtf?"
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Ok yea you got me beat lol
 
Seems like we all share the same frustrations. I think for the first u6 months of working out I didn't even think about weight...all I cared about was perfecting my form. With perfect form, heavy weight comes easily, hence the name Technique =)

I hate flat bench too. Unfortunately, my dumba$$ gym only goes up to 75lb DB or else id be hitting flat DB all day.

My androlean and adrodrive came in today!!!!

Let's list the tools I have for shredding up...

1)ECA
2) Anavar
3) Androlean
4) Androdrive

I will now be using the test to maintain size and gain strength while I cut down.
 
technique88 said:
Seems like we all share the same frustrations. I think for the first u6 months of working out I didn't even think about weight...all I cared about was perfecting my form. With perfect form, heavy weight comes easily, hence the name Technique =)

I hate flat bench too. Unfortunately, my dumba$$ gym only goes up to 75lb DB or else id be hitting flat DB all day.

My androlean and adrodrive came in today!!!!

Let's list the tools I have for shredding up...

1)ECA
2) Anavar
3) Androlean
4) Androdrive

I will now be using the test to maintain size and gain strength while I cut down.
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You're gonna drop crazy bf bro, I just know it.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
You're gonna drop crazy bf bro, I just know it.
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That's the plan bro. My original intent for this cycle was to use the test to maintain my size give me more strength as I shred up and drop this BF. Unfortunately, I always get side tracked and just want to keep blowing up and getting huge. I just can't help myself, I always want to be bigger. Bigorexia sucks lol.

I had a solid shoulder day today. I was supposed to be off but I was called in last minute. I still hit the gym thankfully.

Shoulder work out:

Smith Machine Shoulder Press
135x12
185x8x8

Machine Shoulder press
130x10x10x10
Super set with single arm lateral raises
35x8x8x8

Front lateral raises
15lbx10x10x10
Superset with upright rows
135x5x5x5

Double arm lateral raises
25x15x15x15

DB Shrugs
70x20x20x20x20

Abs

Side benders for obliques
70x10x10x10

Trunk flexion machine
150x8x8

Leg raises
10x10

Great pump, felt jacked, super strong, I will say sucess.

Tomorrow is a going to be a great day. Week 6 officially starts and so does androlean and androdrive. Primordial Performance came through with perfect timing. My stuff shipped overnight.

Here is my cycle layout again with these new additions:

Test e week 1-12 @ 625mg
SD week 1-4, 13-14 @ 20mg ED
Anavar week 5-12 @ 75mg ED
Androlean week 6-14 @ 6/day
Androdrive week 6-14 @ 3/day
ECA
 
Woke up nice and early today, got work at 815 but with ECA, waking up is no problem. I could barely sleep anyways, I am too excited about starting the androseries in my cycle =)
 
technique88 said:
Woke up nice and early today, got work at 815 but with ECA, waking up is no problem. I could barely sleep anyways, I am too excited about starting the androseries in my cycle =)
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Hell yeah ECA is awesome!
 
technique88 said:
I'm zooming bro! Just cooked a whole wheat belgium waffle and about 12 oz of lean ground beef.
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Nice! I have a love affair with Belgium waffles....
 
I'm coming over! Haha waffles are the sh*t!!!
 
Alright, downed 1 belgium waffle and 6oz of lean ground beef.

I eagerly took 3 caps of androlean and 3 caps of androdrive.
I will be splitting the AL twice a day, 3 caps BID. I will post pics of my muscle tummy after work so I can have a gauge on how well I am leaning out.
 
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