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Bridge to beastdrol

cashinova87 said:
Tru talk.. Like I've said so many times... People are just guessing how many calories they eat

I'm 5'8 190 my maintenance cals I think is almost 3k exactly... and to hit that eating clean foods takes effort. I mean I could get in 5k everyday if I ate pizza n cheeseburgers lol that would b easy

Wait what's this thread about again? Lol
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I'm saying bro, I tried 4000 and I just got tired of eating quick lol.
 
Ok so i agree 5K is def not maint. but a bulk, also in terms of bodyfat when i look at my abs i cant see the idividual lumps but like the ab outline is there
 
man if your bridging start off with the beast as its very strong.

If your 18% bodyfat use the cycle your on now to cut.You could agressively cut also.Like 3lbs a week or so without losing much muscle if your wanted to really shed some weight.THe andro will help you hold onto your LBM.
 
nah what im goin to do is this run beast at 20 mg ED for 4 weeks, then on the 5th week run it at 10 mgs ED, i will bulk with 5K until that fifth week and start my cut durring the fifth week, then durring PCT, the erase, titanium and a fat burner i have, along a 3-4K diet will help me cut up for the end of summer
 
Borispili said:
nah what im goin to do is this run beast at 20 mg ED for 4 weeks, then on the 5th week run it at 10 mgs ED, i will bulk with 5K until that fifth week and start my cut durring the fifth week, then durring PCT, the erase, titanium and a fat burner i have, along a 3-4K diet will help me cut up for the end of summer
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if you've never ran it b4 then low dose it at 10mg for 5-6 weeks
 
Borispili said:
nah what im goin to do is this run beast at 20 mg ED for 4 weeks, then on the 5th week run it at 10 mgs ED, i will bulk with 5K until that fifth week and start my cut durring the fifth week, then durring PCT, the erase, titanium and a fat burner i have, along a 3-4K diet will help me cut up for the end of summer
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Why cut during pct that's a bad idea. U could run the 1andro for 4 weeks then SD at 10mg for 6 weeks, lean bulk the first for 4 weeks then cut for the last 6.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
Why cut during pct that's a bad idea. U could run the 1andro for 4 weeks then SD at 10mg for 6 weeks, lean bulk the first for 4 weeks then cut for the last 6.
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I'm not sure his organs would be happy about that even if it is his 3rd cycle.It's a marathon not a sprint.If he saves the SD for his next cycle he'll be able to get way more gains.
 
Roniboney said:
I'm not sure his organs would be happy about that even if it is his 3rd cycle.It's a marathon not a sprint.If he saves the SD for his next cycle he'll be able to get way more gains.
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Yeah I agree, I know he's set on running SD though.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
Yeah I agree, I know he's set on running SD though.
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well then he shouldn't be cycling if he wants to bridge into a stronger compound.More stuff will=more gains but as you said you body can only synthesis enough protein to gain 2lbs of tissue a week at max.Most people will gain 20lbs and about 12 is stored glycogen and water ,the rest is muscle.
 
Roniboney said:
well then he shouldn't be cycling if he wants to bridge into a stronger compound.More stuff will=more gains but as you said you body can only synthesis enough protein to gain 2lbs of tissue a week at max.Most people will gain 20lbs and about 12 is stored glycogen and water ,the rest is muscle.
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Exactly. Hence why ppl should run SD low and longer than 4 weeks.
 
Roniboney said:
well then he shouldn't be cycling if he wants to bridge into a stronger compound.More stuff will=more gains but as you said you body can only synthesis enough protein to gain 2lbs of tissue a week at max.Most people will gain 20lbs and about 12 is stored glycogen and water ,the rest is muscle.
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I'd say ur right but I'd put more emphasis on penis weight
 
This kid is a retard. Being 170 and eating 5k calls is over 25 cals per pound of body weight. Much much higher than basically anybody in the world would ever need. Even hard gainers don't need 25 cals per pound. And seeing as you're 170 and 14% bf you could stand to lose 30 lbs. and still won't be anywhere near shredded. Why would you post in here and then not take advice from ppl who know what they are talking about? Quit being so stupid before I have to fist pump you to death!
 
Jbeezee said:
This kid is a retard. Being 170 and eating 5k calls is over 25 cals per pound of body weight. Much much higher than basically anybody in the world would ever need. Even hard gainers don't need 25 cals per pound. And seeing as you're 170 and 14% bf you could stand to lose 30 lbs. and still won't be anywhere near shredded. Why would you post in here and then not take advice from ppl who know what they are talking about? Quit being so stupid before I have to fist pump you to death!
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chill out bro.14% is an ok but not advised bodyfat to start a cycle.The max is about 12% if bulking and 16% and lower if agressively cutting and using DNP or something else like that on cycle.
 
Roniboney said:
well he'd be losing weight when his blaa shrivel up.Also good luck to his HPTA recovering fully even after an 8 week PCT if he decides to low dose SD.
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I don't think he'd b too suppressed actually.
 
Roniboney said:
if he were to follow his plan he would be.4 week cycle of andro and then 20mg for 4-5 weeks of SD.Definately suppressed.A low dose ,not so much I relent to say.
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Oh yeah I see now. Yeah you're right that would b really suppressive.
 
alright reformulated plan based on ur guys input
4500: workout days
4000: non workout days
The only thing im wondering is run SD for 20 mg 5 weeks or 20mg week 1, then 30mgs rest of week (this would only be a 4week cycle)
 
Borispili said:
alright reformulated plan based on ur guys input
4500: workout days
4000: non workout days
The only thing im wondering is run SD for 20 mg 5 weeks or 20mg week 1, then 30mgs rest of week (this would only be a 4week cycle)
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Don't run it.PCT,wait and then use the beastdrol.Think about it man.Maximize the gains you can get now,build upon them in PCT ,wait 2-3 months and then hop onto beastdrol.

If your going to use the SD anyways I'd begin in week 3 of your current andro cycle at 10mg for the week and run it at 0/0/1/1/1/1 then PCT
 
Roniboney said:
Don't run it.PCT,wait and then use the beastdrol.Think about it man.Maximize the gains you can get now,build upon them in PCT ,wait 2-3 months and then hop onto beastdrol.

If your going to use the SD anyways I'd begin in week 3 of your current andro cycle at 10mg for the week and run it at 0/0/1/1/1/1 then PCT
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X2...OP that's a bad idea.
 
even crazier ****, i decided and im running the beast stacked with andro now, but i really want to cut after this cycle to loook all nice for the end of summer, deciding between sum BS fatburners or some **** like androlean, also is it true that running clen in PCT is a horrible idea ive read a 50/50 opionion on this
 
Borispili said:
even crazier ****, i decided and im running the beast stacked with andro now, but i really want to cut after this cycle to loook all nice for the end of summer, deciding between sum BS fatburners or some **** like androlean, also is it true that running clen in PCT is a horrible idea ive read a 50/50 opionion on this
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you should have done the beast first but what's done is done.Please tell me your running a low dose?

Cutting at the end of the cycle?If your above 12% then the cycle should be to cut to 12% and gain some muscle along the way.
Some people like to use clen as it help them to keep fat gain in check during PCT.Personally I would never judging by the stress your organs and heart are already under but as you have demonstrated your going to do what you feel is best.
 
Roniboney said:
you should have done the beast first but what's done is done.Please tell me your running a low dose?

Cutting at the end of the cycle?If your above 12% then the cycle should be to cut to 12% and gain some muscle along the way.
Some people like to use clen as it help them to keep fat gain in check during PCT.Personally I would never judging by the stress your organs and heart are already under but as you have demonstrated your going to do what you feel is best.
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X2...
 
Why isn't this dude recomping/cutting on UD or running epi? He should pulse epi for an 8 weeker. Could get shredded.
 
pretty high dose 20 mgs wasnt doing anything and my balls are not even changed, now i been on 30mgs, balls goneish, minor headaches, lethargy, but weight is up to 180 and still 14%bf, for the end of the summer gonna try to get real lean like 3-4% bf, i been at 4% before when i was like 130 lbs, CLEN IN PCT?????????????
 
Borispili said:
pretty high dose 20 mgs wasnt doing anything and my balls are not even changed, now i been on 30mgs, balls goneish, minor headaches, lethargy, but weight is up to 180 and still 14%bf, for the end of the summer gonna try to get real lean like 3-4% bf, i been at 4% before when i was like 130 lbs, CLEN IN PCT?????????????
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I wouldn't run clen in your pct unless your not worried about losing gains.
 
Borispili said:
after my PCT to cut for test cycle?
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Never cut during pct. The last thing your body needs in a low test, catabolic environment is a coloric deficit. You should be eating slightly above maintenance during pct to maximize hormonal balance and minimize fat gain
 
Borispili said:
after my PCT to cut for test cycle?
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wait a second how long are you waiting in between cycles?

I know most people say time on +PCT = time off but honestly you need longer than that to be sure your recovered.
I'd say 6-9 months is appropriate.Heck I only run a cycle if I plateau in my training which is about every 6-9 months into a bulk.
 
Jbranken said:
Never cut during pct. The last thing your body needs in a low test, catabolic environment is a coloric deficit. You should be eating slightly above maintenance during pct to maximize hormonal balance and minimize fat gain
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I agree.But your maintenance will have changed due to the gains in muscle so you will have to figure out what your new maintenance is.I went from about 4000kcal to 4350kcal at 210lbs.Now I'm cutting at 2700kcal and it's not fun man.
 
Roniboney said:
I agree.But your maintenance will have changed due to the gains in muscle so you will have to figure out what your new maintenance is.I went from about 4000kcal to 4350kcal at 210lbs.Now I'm cutting at 2700kcal and it's not fun man.
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Yea you definitely have to account for the new weight. The new muscle must be nurtured like a delicate flower, otherwise your body will have no problem tossing out the chemically enhanced tissue you've worked so hard to create
 
ok I get what he's saying.

OP you will not need clen to cut after PCT is over.Why?Because like pH's clen is a trump card.You only flip it when you absolutely have to.
If your 18% bodyfat then cutting to 12% in about 3-4 months with 0 muscle loss should be easy.If you don't know the feeling of struggling through a diet your not working hard enough.Getting shreddedwith pH's,AAS or pharma fat lysers still requires lots of work,dedication and physical and mental power.Once you can get shredded without these things ,getting shredded with them is that much easier and you will definately know how your body works.If you enhance it you won't know if that bit of extra cardio helped you burn that fat or if the clen did it.
 
Roniboney said:
ok I get what he's saying.

OP you will not need clen to cut after PCT is over.Why?Because like pH's clen is a trump card.You only flip it when you absolutely have to.
If your 18% bodyfat then cutting to 12% in about 3-4 months with 0 muscle loss should be easy.If you don't know the feeling of struggling through a diet your not working hard enough.Getting shreddedwith pH's,AAS or pharma fat lysers still requires lots of work,dedication and physical and mental power.Once you can get shredded without these things ,getting shredded with them is that much easier and you will definately know how your body works.If you enhance it you won't know if that bit of extra cardio helped you burn that fat or if the clen did it.
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Very good point. With his bodyfat. I don't believe any fat burner is necessary, when he gets under 10% then its definitely reasonable.
 
COuld this be possible, so i have bben running beast at 30mgs for aprox1.3 weeks and im noticing my bf is a little less( cuse i when i pinch at stomach its not thick anymore), but im still gaining weight. i dropped cals to 4500 workout days and 4000 rest days, due to some BULL**** @work im a lil more sedentary, can PH aid in buildin muscle & losin fat or just water weight (havent changed the amount i drinken)
 
Borispili said:
COuld this be possible, so i have bben running beast at 30mgs for aprox1.3 weeks and im noticing my bf is a little less( cuse i when i pinch at stomach its not thick anymore), but im still gaining weight. i dropped cals to 4500 workout days and 4000 rest days, due to some BULL**** @work im a lil more sedentary, can PH aid in buildin muscle & losin fat or just water weight (havent changed the amount i drinken)
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Since your bf is pretty high it's very likely you've lost some fat. it is possible to lose fat and build muscle at the same time.
 
Jbeezee said:
Since your bf is pretty high it's very likely you've lost some fat. it is possible to lose fat and build muscle at the same time.
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it's possible that your just holding less water in those places.Reduce kcal by a lot to lose a good bit of fat before the cycle is over.If you have 3-4 weeks left try to lose 3lbs a week.Using beast you'll hold onto your muscle and lose exclusively fat and water.
 
thats my plan i work out 4 days a week, on workout days getting in 4500 kals, then on nonworkout days gettin 4000 kals and doing fasted cardio in the morning im hopin the beast will help me preseve, im not so worried about not maxing gain potential cuse i have 2 more bottles of beast YEAH BUDDY!
 
allright well my weight is stable at 170 lost some bf right now at like 10-12% (can see all abs just blury) i no people say its pointless running more then 4 weeks but i was thinking finish 4 weeks at 30mgs then do an additional 2 weeks at 20 mgs, i feel i didnt unleash the potential of the beast becuase i cut so much on it
 
Borispili said:
allright well my weight is stable at 170 lost some bf right now at like 10-12% (can see all abs just blury) i no people say its pointless running more then 4 weeks but i was thinking finish 4 weeks at 30mgs then do an additional 2 weeks at 20 mgs, i feel i didnt unleash the potential of the beast becuase i cut so much on it
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Don't run another 2 weeks.
 
probably a month and a half or so, around the begining of september im trying to figure out if could use IF to minimize fat gains
 
Borispili said:
probably a month and a half or so, around the begining of september im trying to figure out if could use IF to minimize fat gains
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You need to take longer than that off.
 
Borispili said:
probably a month and a half or so, around the begining of september im trying to figure out if could use IF to minimize fat gains
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dude for one,don't run another 2 weeks with a stronger compound.Don't fricking do it.Don't be stupid.

6 week PCT before hopping back on after a planned andro to sd bridge..............ffs man why are you messing around with your hormones?
If oyu take a 6 week PCT you will not be fully recovered I can near gurantee you that.Let your own hormones and your organs bounce back for at least 6 months man.Come on and be serious about these drugs.
 
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