I'm going to be on 7spray and 11spray while on a low cal cut coming up....and yes for cort control and fat burning effect respectively....probably intimidate for test boosting as well....trust me, I will get better results using these products as opposed to not using them....the point is this, you will get better results using them, but you could get similar results if you train and eat properly....they are not a "crutch" but rather an aid to get the results you want....I will also use eviscerate for chest and abs....and nobody said these items MUST be anabolics or DS/PH's etc....there you go, going of on a misinformed tangent again...I never made a distinction between PH/DS and regular supps, either of these categories of supplements can be used, together or separate

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Do enlighten me on your knowledge of the meaning of the word "Tangent" and also how I mistook the lead on my argument, sorry to disapoint but if you didn't like the fact I smacked your logic then think twice before trying to tell me people should use supplements and PH/DS AAS stuff as opposed to tuning their diets better and rather recurring to more cost-effective alternatives while avoiding gray area products. Also you did not mention in ANY way that he should use anything but anabolics , fact, you did not tell him to ONLY use anabolics either...but that is what you merely proposed, whereas I did offer him both options if he did want to go down that road. As to the reason I decided to attack your previous post, it comes from the "I disagree" you can NOT try even for a second to debate that the best alternative to fat loss SHOULD always be diet , and secondary natural stuff such as OTC stuff , stimulants and no gray area products, specially if NATURAL POTENTIAL has not being reached...Also good job putting up a "throw everything in" stack , while the idea behind them is good, all I can wish you is success IF you have a proper diet

since none of the things you mentioned are magic miracle workers , and frankly nothing is...you always need a proper diet and nutrition knowledge. As to WHY I answered in the way of calling them a psychological crutch and retarded need , is because you said:
"why not take a non-suppressive product such as 11 spray or 7 spray or a SARM" Because you don;t need them and frankly do some research before trying to talk about those supplements , ones I actually have A LOT of research and experience with

, now lets see...11-oxo misdosed CAN be suppresive , but good stuff PN has , its merely a cort control...so not really a great aid in cutting , 7 spray is 7-KT so...pair that up with ephedra and please try to tell me its a better fat burner...please try it...I actually dare yah haha , and SARMs lets see...99 bucks for sh*t from IML that is full of fillers , a bad dosage oposed to the best 25mg ed dosage...now lets see OSTA so MK-2866 is not actually a lean compound , is more a building compound and any research made proves it , its made to build muscle mass...so better for a recomp or a bulk NOT for a cut or fat loss , it does not have an impact directly on fat loss...please don't make me smack research at you...now GW has NOT been proven to work on people effectively and the dosages are so dependent from individual to individual to get "some" results and they are mediocre at best...Now lets see that leaves S4 , are you gonna recommend him a (good cutting SARM actually) compound that causes Night Blinding and ALSO Yellow Tint and further vision side effects , while suppresion under effective cutting dosages?...Again...please try to pair me up with arguments before even trying to say I took a "misinformed tangent again" oh and don't forget to define Tangent please

being an engineer that has been placed in 1st and second place in international level math-calculus olympics I WILL enjoy listening to your interpretation and concept of a Tangent

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