Havoc RPN log/review

atok2 said:
are you taking the 30mg all at once or spreading them out??
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I spread it out. I would take 2 in the morning 1 hour before my 9am workout. Then the 3rd pill at 4pm. Now that I have bumped up to 40mg I'm taking (2) 1 hour before my 9am workout, the third at 4pm and the 4th at 10pm close to the time I go to bed. I wanted to have it spaced out near the half life times and also with enough time in between my cycle assist times.
 
orion1 said:
That's disappointing man. My eighth day is tomorrow and I too have yet to see anything besides small pumps
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Orion, arent you doing 30/30/40/50/50? im on week 3 and my shoulders are almost rock hard, same with biceps. i read that an dry ph like havoc kicks in on the 3rd week, all other "wet" compounds kick in on the second week. Just be patient and wait till week 3, im loving this stuff.
 
day9
30mg havoc
did back and bi, had a good workout but felt tired the whole day even though i didnt do ****

tomorrow sunday morning will be my first weight in







day10
30mg havoc
Rest day,

beginning of the journey i was at 78kg and 11.7% "according to my balance which is not very accurate"
today I weighted at 78.7 and 11%

I really dont see a difference and my lifts have not improved.

the only effect i have from havoc for now is being tired the whole day even though i am not doing anything besides going to the gym and sleeping!!


lets what next week gonna be like
 
andro454 said:
Orion, arent you doing 30/30/40/50/50? im on week 3 and my shoulders are almost rock hard, same with biceps. i read that an dry ph like havoc kicks in on the 3rd week, all other "wet" compounds kick in on the second week. Just be patient and wait till week 3, im loving this stuff.
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Andro, I switched it up to a heavier dose 30/40/40/40/50/50. Started 40mg on my 8th day. It's my 10th day now and today when I did deads I hit it at 10 pounds heavier than normal. Dunno if it's related but I def have more pumps and energy/motivation.

atok2 said:
day9
30mg havoc
did back and bi, had a good workout but felt tired the whole day even though i didnt do ****

tomorrow sunday morning will be my first weight in







day10
30mg havoc
Rest day,

beginning of the journey i was at 78kg and 11.7% "according to my balance which is not very accurate"
today I weighted at 78.7 and 11%

I really dont see a difference and my lifts have not improved.

the only effect i have from havoc for now is being tired the whole day even though i am not doing anything besides going to the gym and sleeping!!


lets what next week gonna be like
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atok2, man if you're getting too tired maybe you should throw a little cardio in there to get your energy up. The cycle I did prior to now, I didn't do any cardio and the epi for some reason just drained me. I was fatigued and tired like you described. Not this time though since I started cardio.

BTW anyone have a good mix of joint support supps put together? I'm taking glucosamine, msm, chondroitin and fish oil but it's not helping so far
 
orion1 said:
Andro, I switched it up to a heavier dose 30/40/40/40/50/50. Started 40mg on my 8th day. It's my 10th day now and today when I did deads I hit it at 10 pounds heavier than normal. Dunno if it's related but I def have more pumps and energy/motivation.



atok2, man if you're getting too tired maybe you should throw a little cardio in there to get your energy up. The cycle I did prior to now, I didn't do any cardio and the epi for some reason just drained me. I was fatigued and tired like you described. Not this time though since I started cardio.

BTW anyone have a good mix of joint support supps put together? I'm taking glucosamine, msm, chondroitin and fish oil but it's not helping so far
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you dont have taurine man? you might want to get that and take around 2g a day. back pumps from this stuff are horrible. i started getting them on my 14th day and s h i t, i cant even describe the pain
 
orion1 said:
Where did that come from? I have taurine. I take 3g/day. I have no back bumps at all
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my mistake i read your last post wrong. but if msm isnt helping either, im not sure what will. have you tried the good ol' remedies? a warm cup of milk with 2 teaspoons of butter before sleeping, doesnt sound like much but works like a charm
 
Never even heard of that remedy lol.
 
day 11-12-13
30mg

the only effects ive got so far from have is laziness to the max!! workouts are great as usual and going balls deep every single workout but i did not notice any size or strength increase.
It will be my day 14 tomorrow and day 11 on 30 mg lets see what happens, its gonna be legs and abs
 
atok2 said:
day 11-12-13
30mg

the only effects ive got so far from have is laziness to the max!! workouts are great as usual and going balls deep every single workout but i did not notice any size or strength increase.
It will be my day 14 tomorrow and day 11 on 30 mg lets see what happens, its gonna be legs and abs
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Time to bump to 40 wooooo!!!!!
 
i only have one bottle, if i start 40today it wont last me for a month,
im gonna continue with 30 till the end of this week and bump it up to 40 for the next 10 days

for 40mg, is it best to take 10 in the morning, 10 around 1oclock and 20mg pre workout at 5 oclock or is there a better way?
 
atok2 said:
i only have one bottle, if i start 40today it wont last me for a month,
im gonna continue with 30 till the end of this week and bump it up to 40 for the next 10 days

for 40mg, is it best to take 10 in the morning, 10 around 1oclock and 20mg pre workout at 5 oclock or is there a better way?
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Grab another bottle haha. For 40 I do 10@8am/10@12pm/10@4pm/10@8pm on days I can run that. If I have a time crunch I'll do something close to this 10@7am/20@11am(preworkout)/10@5pm. I just try to split my doses by of Epi 4-6 hours apart.
 
TonyGT said:
Grab another bottle haha. For 40 I do 10@8am/10@12pm/10@4pm/10@8pm on days I can run that. If I have a time crunch I'll do something close to this 10@7am/20@11am(preworkout)/10@5pm. I just try to split my doses by of Epi 4-6 hours apart.
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I would, but i already spent a lot on the cycle, **** is expensive here is france, and the shipping from the US is expensive too
 
atok2 said:
I would, but i already spent a lot on the cycle, **** is expensive here is france, and the shipping from the US is expensive too
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Ah I could only imagine how much more it cost you to get everything. Cause I spent a sh!t ton on my cycle haha.
 
TonyGT said:
Grab another bottle haha. For 40 I do 10@8am/10@12pm/10@4pm/10@8pm on days I can run that. If I have a time crunch I'll do something close to this 10@7am/20@11am(preworkout)/10@5pm. I just try to split my doses by of Epi 4-6 hours apart.
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Maybe I'm dumb for doing it this way but because I work out first thing in the morning I take my first (2) pills (20mg) in the morning an hour before my workout, then 8 hours later 10mg, then 4 hours later the last 10mg. I thought i read Havocs half life is around 8 hours and I have it spaced so my cycle assist is 3 hours apart from all havoc dosing to minimize any interference in metabolism it may cause.
 
orion1 said:
Maybe I'm dumb for doing it this way but because I work out first thing in the morning I take my first (2) pills (20mg) in the morning an hour before my workout, then 8 hours later 10mg, then 4 hours later the last 10mg. I thought i read Havocs half life is around 8 hours and I have it spaced so my cycle assist is 3 hours apart from all havoc dosing to minimize any interference in metabolism it may cause.
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To my knowledge epi's half life is 6-8 hours. So that dosing is fine and dosing 20 mg at once is fine.
 
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