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Opinions on CEL P-Plex and Iron Labs Epi Xtreme stacking

Vick

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Opinions on Phera/Sdrol and EPI/Methyl D

Stats: 35, 5'11", 210 lbs, 24% bf(powerlifter, not a bodybuilder), vet with AAS but not PHs. Not using AAS and have OCT and PCT in order, so throw some opinions at me.
 
Thanks, but every time I try to lose weight muscle and strength goes with it. It's like my chemistry functions best when I'm built like Tank Abbott lol
 
Vick said:
Thanks, but every time I try to lose weight muscle and strength goes with it. It's like my chemistry functions best when I'm built like Tank Abbott lol
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Then you are doing it wrong..... you will lose a little strength on a cut but once you get lean then you can add muscle the right way and stay lean.
 
Vick said:
So nobody has used Phera with Epistane?
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No only epistane, I've never been interested in phera nor would bother looking for it since its banned. I'd do a bridge though of the 2, whatever effective dose of the phera u prefer, with 4 weeks of epi at 40/40/50/50 with phera overlapping 2 weeks.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
No only epistane, I've never been interested in phera nor would bother looking for it since its banned. I'd do a bridge though of the 2, whatever effective dose of the phera u prefer, with 4 weeks of epi at 40/40/50/50 with phera overlapping 2 weeks.
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Thanks, wouldn't let me rep you again.
 
Vick said:
With my schedule it's tough to do but since you asked I suppose I can try and make an effort.
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Even updates r fine like weight gains, PRs, bodyfat changes, that's all I'm really interested in.
 
Vick said:
Stats: 35, 5'11", 210 lbs, 24% bf(powerlifter, not a bodybuilder), vet with AAS but not PHs. Not using AAS and have OCT and PCT in order, so throw some opinions at me.
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Both those products are oral steroids
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
No only epistane, I've never been interested in phera nor would bother looking for it since its banned. I'd do a bridge though of the 2, whatever effective dose of the phera u prefer, with 4 weeks of epi at 40/40/50/50 with phera overlapping 2 weeks.
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Phera is bad ass, if op really wants strength gains, he should stack 20mg sd, with 30mg pp.
Test base.
BOOM! Catch a case of SWOLEOSIS
 
jbryand101b said:
Because its a dumb combo.

Some epi will metabolize into phera in the body.

But if I did it, 20- 30mg pp, 30-40mg of epi.
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You're right when heat is involved which of course it would b, epi turns into DMT. Lol don't leave that sh*t in a hot car.
 
jbryand101b said:
Phera is bad ass, if op really wants strength gains, he should stack 20mg sd, with 30mg pp.
Test base.
BOOM! Catch a case of SWOLEOSIS
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Hellz yeah some Test prop, get focking beefy!
 
5/26 My Helios came in so started that at only 25 units and got the shakes. I wonder how that is going to play into the Phera/Havoc bridge. Starting at 209 lbs, 20% bf, deadlift 495 1rm.

5/27 Took the Helios around 6pm and kept me up til 4am, never again. Started first thing in the morning at 50 units.

5/28 Wasn't feeling the 50 units for some reason so bumped it to 100 units and still not really feeling it. Weird thing is when I lay down and relax is when it starts working lol.

5/29 Keeping the Helios at 100 units, really felt it today, not sure how evenly it's dosed in the vial with the yohimbine. I also started 30mg Phera preworkout and 90 minutes went by like nothing. Time flies when you're having fun. I found out about the class 1 and 2 PHs when stacking on my own and apparently EPI is best with M1T and Phera best with Sdrol, so I'm gonna order 2 more lol.
 
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Today I opened the caps and upped the dose to 40mg of Phera and keeping the Helios at 1ml and feeling great.
 
Bummer. I was hoping to hear an EPI/Phera log. Could be a future cycle of mine.
 
Jbry keeps on posting about phera/sd. Is he for serious? I mean, I understand the complications of two methylated compounds (even though epi-phera would be similar, though less sides with epi) but that could be some serious muscle.

Has anybody run Phera/Sd? Logs of it?
 
ejschmidt said:
Jbry keeps on posting about phera/sd. Is he for serious? I mean, I understand the complications of two methylated compounds (even though epi-phera would be similar, though less sides with epi) but that could be some serious muscle.

Has anybody run Phera/Sd? Logs of it?
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Jbry has if I recall.
 
epi/phera... doesnt make sense... read up more on the compounds... pretty sure jbry would agree it is not a good combo.
 
StangBanger said:
epi/phera... doesnt make sense... read up more on the compounds... pretty sure jbry would agree it is not a good combo.
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Yeah I agree and jbry already said that cuz some of epi does metabolize into phera already.
 
Vick said:
methyldienolone, on the the site it's MDIEN. I thought you wanted to see the Phera/EPI log?
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I do I'm just saying that I'd like Phera/SD even more. What r u running with Mdien?
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
I do I'm just saying that I'd like Phera/SD even more. What r u running with Mdien?
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I'm thinking about running the Phera before the gym and MDIEN in the morning, then bridge the EPI. The M1T was out or I would have been doing that with the Phera.
 
Vick said:
I'm thinking about running the Phera before the gym and MDIEN in the morning, then bridge the EPI. The M1T was out or I would have been doing that with the Phera.
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So I assume this is a bulk right?
 
i wouldn't stack any methyl compounds with methyl dienolone, maybe a low dose of epi, like 20mg e/d for the 4 weeks of mdiene, then 2 weeks of epi solo at 40mg.

def wouldn't stack sd and mdiene together. I have some of each, and wont do it.

my next cycle is going to be 3 weeks of m1t (15mg), then 3 weeks of mdiene(14mg), followed up with 4 weeks of stanodrol (900mg).

4-andro-diol & bold 200 ran during the first 6 weeks at 600mg each.

test base, bulkers, hardners.
 
thats gonna be sick
jbryand101b said:
i wouldn't stack any methyl compounds with methyl dienolone, maybe a low dose of epi, like 20mg e/d for the 4 weeks of mdiene, then 2 weeks of epi solo at 40mg.

def wouldn't stack sd and mdiene together. I have some of each, and wont do it.

my next cycle is going to be 3 weeks of m1t (15mg), then 3 weeks of mdiene(14mg), followed up with 4 weeks of stanodrol (900mg).

4-andro-diol & bold 200 ran during the first 6 weeks at 600mg each.

test base, bulkers, hardners.
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Vick said:
Yeah but I try to balance the water retention with a dry compound, which is why I am using the Helios too.
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I see, damn stacking those 2 will b really harsh though, i'd take Jbry advice I can't comment on the toxicity of mdien, he knows a lot about it.
 
methyl dieneolone is methyl trienolone's little brother.

mdiene isn't as toxic as methyl tren (thank goodness) but it def isn't recomended to stack with another (methylated) compound.

hell, im worried about running it AFTER a low dose of m1t.
 
Personally I think the toxicity is way overrated because of the bad press. You get these dumb drunks taking it to look good at the bar and yeah you're gonna have liver problems. Back in the 90s I was taking cheque drops or halotestin with Anadrol before the gym and that was on 1g of test/wk. I've never gone over 6 weeks on 17aas though and would switch to Proviron and Primo tabs to dry out. This is my first round with stack PHs so if my eyes turn yellow I'll be the first to admit it and if they don't and my labs say my liver isnt shutting down then I'll log that too. Right now I'm basing my stacks on this info:

Class I = binds to androgen receptor
Class II = does not

These pro-hormone classifications are based on their steroid counterparts. If there are any revisions needed PLEASE post so below. If that goes unnoticed, PM me.

Class I

Desoxymethyltestosterone/DMT (Madol) based phs - Pheraplex & clones
Mepitiostane (Thioderon) based - Epistane & Clones (like Havoc & so on so forth)
Dienolone based - (again similar to tren) - Mdien
Progestin based - (similar to trenbolone) - Trenadrol & Trenaplex
Boldenone based - 1,4AD & Bold
DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) based phs - M5AA

Class II
Dianabol (methandrostenolone) based - M1,4ADD, M1T, 1-T, Methyl XT
Masteron (Dromostanolone) based - Superdrol & Clones
Oral Turinabol (Dehydrochlormethyltestosterone) based - Halodrol & Clones
Winstrol (stanozolol) based - Winztrol, Orastan-A, Furaguno, etc
Furazabol (miotolan) based - Furazadrol etc
Progesterone based - Revolt, Propadrol, Max LMG
Clostebol based - Chlorodrol, Oxyguno
Testosterone - 4-AD
 
jbryand101b said:
i wouldn't stack any methyl compounds with methyl dienolone, maybe a low dose of epi, like 20mg e/d for the 4 weeks of mdiene, then 2 weeks of epi solo at 40mg.

def wouldn't stack sd and mdiene together. I have some of each, and wont do it.

my next cycle is going to be 3 weeks of m1t (15mg), then 3 weeks of mdiene(14mg), followed up with 4 weeks of stanodrol (900mg).

4-andro-diol & bold 200 ran during the first 6 weeks at 600mg each.

test base, bulkers, hardners.
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How would say they compare to oral AAS? I hear Phera is like Dbol and MHN is like Var, but what about M1T,EPI,and MDIEN?
 
phera is phera, dbol is dbol, var is var, epi is epi, they are all oral androgenic/anabolic steroids, and are all different.

i dont think people such as the op should be using steroids, as they dont know anything about what they are using or doing.
 
jbryand101b said:
i wouldn't stack any methyl compounds with methyl dienolone, maybe a low dose of epi, like 20mg e/d for the 4 weeks of mdiene, then 2 weeks of epi solo at 40mg.

def wouldn't stack sd and mdiene together. I have some of each, and wont do it.

my next cycle is going to be 3 weeks of m1t (15mg), then 3 weeks of mdiene(14mg), followed up with 4 weeks of stanodrol (900mg).

4-andro-diol & bold 200 ran during the first 6 weeks at 600mg each.

test base, bulkers, hardners.
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Thats a pretty serious cycle, is bold 200 a ph or are talking about eq?
 
jbryand101b said:
phera is phera, dbol is dbol, var is var, epi is epi, they are all oral androgenic/anabolic steroids, and are all different.

i dont think people such as the op should be using steroids, as they dont know anything about what they are using or doing.
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True statement. Someone came to me yesterday, asked if they should use trenazone, he didn't know jack sh*t about it, I was actually offended at his level of stupidity, and yes he called it a prohormone. *facepalm*
 
jbryand101b said:
phera is phera, dbol is dbol, var is var, epi is epi, they are all oral androgenic/anabolic steroids, and are all different.

i dont think people such as the op should be using steroids, as they dont know anything about what they are using or doing.
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Dude you don't know the first thing about me and you just revealed how ignorant you are, just say you don't know because you've never probably done a real cycle and don't know how to compare the EFFECTIVENESS. Everyone responds differently, some people are even nonresponders. I came here because the forum I moderate is strictly on gear, but I see I'm not going to learn anything here. On a positive note, if anyone needs help from real vets on gear see me here because I'm not logging in here again.

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Vick said:
Dude you don't know the first thing about me and you just revealed how ignorant you are, just say you don't know because you've never probably done a real cycle and don't know how to compare the EFFECTIVENESS. Everyone responds differently, some people are even nonresponders. I came here because the forum I moderate is strictly on gear, but I see I'm not going to learn anything here. On a positive note, if anyone needs help from real vets on gear see me here because I'm not logging in here again.

musclediscussion.com/members/vick.html
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bwahahahaa.... bye!
 
StangBanger said:
bwahahahaa.... bye!
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I think what pissed Jbry off is that everything Vick mentioned is still oral AAS, old school guys usually get the classifications wrong or just have lack of knowledge because years ago there wasn't the amount of information we have available, and they don't bother to research further.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
I think what pissed Jbry off is that everything Vick mentioned is still oral AAS, old school guys usually get the classifications wrong or just have lack of knowledge because years ago there wasn't the amount of information we have available, and they don't bother to research further.
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that and him pm'ing me asking me for a source for m1t.
 
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