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New Product-$1,000 Dollars for Vitamin C---Are you Ready for this Era?

USPlabsRep

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VOTE TODAY BY 2PM EST-Yes, By today, You have to ask...Why are they trying to sneak this one in? Simply because it's not the right thing for you but the right move for them..

There people in government that really don'tcare about you or your ability of personal choice and to do WTF you want as longas it doesn't harm others.

Don't let them choose for you, think for you or tell you whatis good for you. While many political decision are heavily lobbied and out ofour control...YOU CAN control this by SIMPLY clicking on the link below andcontacting your representative. If you don't, you don't care and get ready to pay premium money for your creatine/Beta Alanine/BCAA stack!

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If you really like to make a statement, Call the washington switch board at 202-224-3121 and ask "connect me to my Senator's office". They will ask you the state your calling from and quickly connect you..

Remember, They work for you so voice your opinions freely
 
Done , I won't let this tax-money-leeching-****s get away with this...Seriously what the **** is wrong with Politicians now a days!!??
 
sent. I will be calling Chuck Schumer to ask him to vote no on this in a bit. I'd encourage everyone to both send this email AND call their offices to request a no vote.
 
cswalczakny said:
sent. I will be calling Chuck Schumer to ask him to vote no on this in a bit. I'd encourage everyone to both send this email AND call their offices to request a no vote.
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That is VERY easily done..

Call the washington switch board at 202-224-3121 and ask "connect me to my Senator's office". They will ask you the state your calling from and quickly connect you..

Remember, They work for you so voice your opinions freely.
 
Emailed and called.....Senators Casey and especially Toomey better oppose this bill. Big Brother needs to stop telling me whats right and wrong!! They cant even get their own sh*t together.....
 
Emailed CA for the mrs and MT for me.
 
Sent! Why do people keep on electing criminals like Richard Durbin? He has tried things like this before. He hates America and freedom of choice.
 
briefly read over the bill, said nothing about $1000 price tag for vit c....

i understand this will make propriety blends useless since all amounts for each products need to be listed, but whats with the title?
 
determination said:
Sent! Why do people keep on electing criminals like Richard Durbin? He has tried things like this before. He hates America and freedom of choice.
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I think it has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with how much pharmaceutical companies contribute to his pocket.
 
tulle said:
briefly read over the bill, said nothing about $1000 price tag for vit c....

i understand this will make propriety blends useless since all amounts for each products need to be listed, but whats with the title?
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He wants to impose heavy regulation on manufacturing dietary supplements.
 
cswalczakny said:
I think it has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with how much pharmaceutical companies contribute to his pocket.
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It's a gateway to ending the industry, it's not about prop blends.

Not ending it but ending the affordability of the industry...
 
Spoke with Chuck Schumers office, he will most likely oppose this legislation.
 
Angelbolic said:
LOL typical USPLabs fear-mongering. I bet nobody really understands what they just send.

From a consumer-perspective this doesn't seem to bad at all and the only NPA arguments against this amendment are that it adds 'unnecessary bureaucracy' and the FDA doesn't have enough funding to execute these powers. Pretty weak (and subjective) arguments if you ask me.
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Is there a reason you want more regulation on the supplemental industry? If so, I think there are countries you could move to that already have the bigger regs you're looking for.

The point here is that these things happen in small stages. The logical end point of this legislation as well as the unilateral moves made by the FDA recently is that all things labeled as "dietary supplements" will be prescription only or otc "drugs" made by the huge pharmaceutical companies. And that means more money per pill out of our pockets.
 
Angelbolic said:
LOL typical USPLabs fear-mongering. I bet nobody really understands what they just send.

From a consumer-perspective this doesn't seem to bad at all and the only NPA arguments against this amendment are that it adds 'unnecessary bureaucracy' and the FDA doesn't have enough funding to execute these powers. Pretty weak (and subjective) arguments if you ask me.
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The only legitimate argument against this legislation is that it creates a burden of work for the FDA.

However...the FDA requested this. They don't feel comfortable with having no record of what products are on the market.

Angelbolic said:
Regulation is not always bad. Especially not in a industry that's plagued with criminals who spike/underdose/misbrand their products and don't give a **** about the consumer. You have to realize that this industry is never going to gain integrity by 'self-regulation' or no regulation at all.
Regarding this amendment, I really don't see how it's a bad piece of regulation. The thread title is very misleading and is merely an attempt to get supplement sheeps to email their senator to oppose this amendment. The only interest for the OP is financial and anyone familiar with USPLabs would know this.

Your second paragraph is highly speculative and flawed in so many ways I don't even want to adress it.
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All this does is create more white noise so that if there was legitimately dangerous legislation, people wouldn't know that it was different from any of this.

This amendment requires:
-Any manufacturer of dietary supplements to identify themselves as such via written registration with the FDA.
-Any facility that manufactures dietary supplements must identify themselves as such via written registration with the FDA.
-All manufacturers of dietary supplements must submit all current product labels to the FDA, including notifying them of reformulations, discontinuations, etc. so that the FDA always has a record of products that are presently on the market.

That's it! No new testing, fees, crackdowns. This may not be good for the PH manufacturers or people that want to include banned ingredients in their products, but they give the industry a bad name anyway.
 
Angelbolic said:
Regulation is not always bad. Especially not in a industry that's plagued with criminals who spike/underdose/misbrand their products and don't give a **** about the consumer. You have to realize that this industry is never going to gain integrity by 'self-regulation' or no regulation at all.
Regarding this amendment, I really don't see how it's a bad piece of regulation. The thread title is very misleading and is merely an attempt to get supplement sheeps to email their senator to oppose this amendment. The only interest for the OP is financial and anyone familiar with USPLabs would know this.

Your second paragraph is highly speculative and flawed in so many ways I don't even want to adress it.
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No, please take the time to address it. Where in history do you gain the confidence in congress that they will enact such a piece of legislation and strictly adhear to it? Considering in other countries Vitamin C is a prescription drug, how do you not feel that wont happen here? Or do you not believe politicians are lining their pockets with pharma cash?

The interstate commerce laws were enacted just like this.. where people had grand gestures that it was for the better.. look at it now.. it is nothing but a puppet for criminalizing people, overtaxing individuals.

As for spiked, underdose, misbrand... you are only aware of anything considering you visit here where everything is drama overblown. Only a very small percentage is ever caught up in such a fiasco. With supplements being a 25+ billion dollar a year industry, the handful a year is quite inconsequential to the collective. There are scammers in every industry, that Nigerian prince that hit you via gmail to release his 500 Billion dollars for a cut is pretty reliable too! :D
 
D3Baseball said:
^^^

The only legitimate argument against this legislation is that it creates a burden of work for the FDA.

However...the FDA requested this. They don't feel comfortable with having no record of what products are on the market.



All this does is create more white noise so that if there was legitimately dangerous legislation, people wouldn't know that it was different from any of this.

This amendment requires:
-Any manufacturer of dietary supplements to identify themselves as such via written registration with the FDA.
-Any facility that manufactures dietary supplements must identify themselves as such via written registration with the FDA.
-All manufacturers of dietary supplements must submit all current product labels to the FDA, including notifying them of reformulations, discontinuations, etc. so that the FDA always has a record of products that are presently on the market.

That's it! No new testing, fees, crackdowns. This may not be good for the PH manufacturers or people that want to include banned ingredients in their products, but they give the industry a bad name anyway.
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Do you believe that is all that will come of this? No one here reads legalese well enough to decipher this completely. Currently an NRI is already to be submitted or each new ingrediants, where, they can already slap you around if they dont like it. So when you submit your formulation, do you really think it will only be for record keeping?

As for facilities, this is already heavily regulated privately via cGMP. No reason for government to step in, unless they want something else from the information.

Eh, this argument is a loosing battle. Giving an inch means you are ready to give a mile. Interim steps drive cost of production up. People already complain that supplements are too pricy. Most counties have already made Pseudoephedrine a script.. because it is to deter meth cooks... guess what.. it did nothing to reduce the meth epidemic.

Eventually we will have a black market for D3!
 
The FDA is not going to take this legislation and run with it.

For one, as I pointed out, there's no leeway to do so. They'd break the law if they did something like that and if they're going to turn this into something oppressive, there was never any hope anyway.

The Food and Drug Administration is concerned mostly with Food and Drugs. If you think they're going to spend all the money it takes to start oppressing the supplement industry just for fun, you're wrong. They are only going to pay attention when people start raising a stink -- like adverse health events (my liver fell out from that 12 month cycle of Havoc!), failed drug tests, etc. Otherwise they will be using their limited resources keeping the Drug industry clean and our food supply clean.
 
D3Baseball said:
The FDA is not going to take this legislation and run with it.

For one, as I pointed out, there's no leeway to do so. They'd break the law if they did something like that and if they're going to turn this into something oppressive, there was never any hope anyway.

The Food and Drug Administration is concerned mostly with Food and Drugs. If you think they're going to spend all the money it takes to start oppressing the supplement industry just for fun, you're wrong. They are only going to pay attention when people start raising a stink -- like adverse health events (my liver fell out from that 12 month cycle of Havoc!), failed drug tests, etc. Otherwise they will be using their limited resources keeping the Drug industry clean and our food supply clean./QUOTE]


The sentence in bold is one of the most unbelieveably uninformed, short sighted, and ignorant statements I've ever heard made in my life. The vast majority of the food in this country is crap (how do you not know that?), and it's not getting better. There's simply too much to argue here, and I'm at work, so feel free to respond but I won't waste my time.

And keeping the drug industry clean???????? You mean the same industry that pumps millions into our Gov't's pockets? The FDA will be keeping them clean? With cholesterol medications that cause seizures? With blood pressure medicine that causes loss of bone mineral density? With hair loss medicine that causes male impotence? (All are just examples, I hope you get my drift). Yeah....the FDA's doing a f'king great job.

And lets not forget to mention all the experimental medicine out there that could save some people from cancer and HIV, but you have to be a multi-millionaire to even sniff it....meaning you, me, and about 99% of this country are f'ked....but not Magic Johnson, because he's better than us right?
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DAdams91982 said:
Do you believe that is all that will come of this? No one here reads legalese well enough to decipher this completely. Currently an NRI is already to be submitted or each new ingrediants, where, they can already slap you around if they dont like it. So when you submit your formulation, do you really think it will only be for record keeping?
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Go the Library of Congress website. You can read the entire thing (it is very short) as well as the arguments for and against in Congress. The record keeping is meant for safety's sake. When they ban an ingredient (DMAA, for example) they can immediately notify EVERY company that uses it that they must remove it...instead of now, where they can only get to the ones they can think of.

As for facilities, this is already heavily regulated privately via cGMP. No reason for government to step in, unless they want something else from the information.
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cGMP is FDA regulated.

Eh, this argument is a loosing battle. Giving an inch means you are ready to give a mile. Interim steps drive cost of production up. People already complain that supplements are too pricy. Most counties have already made Pseudoephedrine a script.. because it is to deter meth cooks... guess what.. it did nothing to reduce the meth epidemic.
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Can you prove this? Meth lab seizures immediately went down after ephedrine/pseudoephedrine went behind the counter. Meth labs only start popping again when they found ways to make it with less ephedrine.

Eventually we will have a black market for D3!
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Doubtful.
 
BurghHardcore said:
The sentence in bold is one of the most unbelieveably uninformed, short sighted, and ignorant statements I've ever heard made in my life. The vast majority of the food in this country is crap (how do you not know that?), and it's not getting better. There's simply too much to argue here, and I'm at work, so feel free to respond but I won't waste my time.
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That seems a bit over the top to me, you should probably work on being a little more approachable when trying to make a point. I wouldn't say that food/drugs are perfect in the USA, but they are better than most countries and I certainly trust those industries more than the dietary supplement industry. The FDA regulates the hell out of these things.

If you're going to tell me that foods that are frequently tested for disease and drugs that actually have the benefit of clinical trials are not "clean" compared to the industry we're talking about, I'd like to hear your argument for it.

And keeping the drug industry clean???????? You mean the same industry that pumps millions into our Gov't's pockets? The FDA will be keeping them clean? With cholesterol medications that cause seizures? With blood pressure medicine that causes loss of bone mineral density? With hair loss medicine that causes male impotence? (All are just examples, I hope you get my drift). Yeah....the FDA's doing a f'king great job.
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You act like these things are not disclosed to the patient a vast majority of the time. When you take finasteride, you know that you're potentially choosing your hair over your penis. If you expect the FDA to only allow drugs on the market that work as described without side effects, the shelves will be very empty.

When something happens that the label doesn't warn you about on a drug, you get to sue.

You're also free to look up who drug companies donate to and it is up to you if you want to not vote for those people. Trust me, there are thousands of reporters watching these trends and trying their darnedest to find the correlation between donations and votes that will reveal a scandal and make the reporter famous.

And lets not forget to mention all the experimental medicine out there that could save some people from cancer and HIV, but you have to be a multi-millionaire to even sniff it....meaning you, me, and about 99% of this country are f'ked....but not Magic Johnson, because he's better than us right?
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The only thing I can think of that can bring expensive things to common hands is communism. You into that?

I don't understand who is supposed to be eating the losses of money when you spend millions studying a drug and don't want to be screwed when you bring it to market despite its hefty expense to produce. If you want drugs being sold at cost, ask the government to make your drugs. Otherwise, the price of drugs will in part reflect the cost of manufacture. The FDA has nothing to do with this anyway.
 
D3Baseball said:
That seems a bit over the top to me, you should probably work on being a little more approachable when trying to make a point. I wouldn't say that food/drugs are perfect in the USA, but they are better than most countries and I certainly trust those industries more than the dietary supplement industry. The FDA regulates the hell out of these things.

If you're going to tell me that foods that are frequently tested for disease and drugs that actually have the benefit of clinical trials are not "clean" compared to the industry we're talking about, I'd like to hear your argument for it.



You act like these things are not disclosed to the patient a vast majority of the time. When you take finasteride, you know that you're potentially choosing your hair over your penis. If you expect the FDA to only allow drugs on the market that work as described without side effects, the shelves will be very empty.

When something happens that the label doesn't warn you about on a drug, you get to sue.

You're also free to look up who drug companies donate to and it is up to you if you want to not vote for those people. Trust me, there are thousands of reporters watching these trends and trying their darnedest to find the correlation between donations and votes that will reveal a scandal and make the reporter famous.



The only thing I can think of that can bring expensive things to common hands is communism. You into that?

I don't understand who is supposed to be eating the losses of money when you spend millions studying a drug and don't want to be screwed when you bring it to market despite its hefty expense to produce. If you want drugs being sold at cost, ask the government to make your drugs. Otherwise, the price of drugs will in part reflect the cost of manufacture. The FDA has nothing to do with this anyway.
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I wasn't necessarily trying to be approachable, but nonetheless I was shocked that someone had so much faith in the FDA, you don't see that much around here. Either way, it is simply MY OPINION, that the heavy regulation, taxing, etc whatever of the supplement industry is a huge gateway into the eventual disappearance of a large portion of the dietary supplement industry. And frankly, I don't want to see that. Not to mention the door this opens for the pharmaceutical companies to make millions upon millions more in the supp industries downfall/absence.

Not so much into communism lol, but wouldn't be opposed to a pharmaceutical company profiting $50million instead of $65million to MAYBE make these more accessible. I doubt losing that $15million of PROFIT is going to hurt their R&D to any degree whatsoever. I already regret throwing in on this because there's really no clear cut here. There's a TON of gray area where both sides are sort of right and wrong.
 
DAdams91982 said:
No, please take the time to address it. Where in history do you gain the confidence in congress that they will enact such a piece of legislation and strictly adhear to it? Considering in other countries Vitamin C is a prescription drug, how do you not feel that wont happen here? Or do you not believe politicians are lining their pockets with pharma cash?

The interstate commerce laws were enacted just like this.. where people had grand gestures that it was for the better.. look at it now.. it is nothing but a puppet for criminalizing people, overtaxing individuals.

As for spiked, underdose, misbrand... you are only aware of anything considering you visit here where everything is drama overblown. Only a very small percentage is ever caught up in such a fiasco. With supplements being a 25+ billion dollar a year industry, the handful a year is quite inconsequential to the collective. There are scammers in every industry, that Nigerian prince that hit you via gmail to release his 500 Billion dollars for a cut is pretty reliable too! :D
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Interested to see stats of hospitalizations and deaths caused by food borne illness (i.e. e.coli, salmonella, etc..) from food sources that are supposedly so well regulated by the fda vs those same stats related to dietary supplements used as directed (not superdosed).

Invalid Link Removed 48 million get sick and 3000 deaths from food borne illness. Real bang up job, FDA!

Find me a study that shows the annual hospitalization and death rate of individuals using DSHEA compliant dietary supplements as directed by the manufacturer.

I'm sure pharmaceutical companies only have our best interests in mind.
 
Angelbolic said:
Regulation is not always bad. Especially not in a industry that's plagued with criminals who spike/underdose/misbrand their products and don't give a **** about the consumer. You have to realize that this industry is never going to gain integrity by 'self-regulation' or no regulation at all.
Regarding this amendment, I really don't see how it's a bad piece of regulation. The thread title is very misleading and is merely an attempt to get supplement sheeps to email their senator to oppose this amendment. The only interest for the OP is financial and anyone familiar with USPLabs would know this.

Your second paragraph is highly speculative and flawed in so many ways I don't even want to adress it.
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Regulation is not always bad is a flawed and speculative statement.

The interest to the company and the customer is financial.

Be objective and research Dick Durbins historical stance on the supplement industry.
 
I don't know how dangerous this legislation actually is and I feel a little duped by the title here, I don't enjoy being fear-mongered and you shouldn't resort to the same tactics as laughably dramatic political chain e-mails!

Proprietary blends are annoying, but 9 times out of 10 I'm buying a product with fully disclosed ingredient profile. If there are a lot of supplement buying consumers like me who care about having scientifically backed quantities of specific ingredients in their supplements, prop. blends and sketchy product formulations will be marginalized based on prevailing market demands. Issues in the industry can and will be solved by the free market if we allow it to work.

When concerned individuals turn to the government to solve their problems they hurt us in the long run. First, their time and effort would be better channeled toward informing the populace. Second, they reinforce the rapidly spreading fallacy that people should rely on the government as their first and only method of correcting any adversity they ever face, EVER.

Consumer awareness shut down pink slime in meat products way faster than any regulation could have. Consumer awareness gave us dolphin safe tuna. Consumer awareness shuts down sweatshops all over because consumer awareness crosses borders and moves the world not just the pen on the senate floor.

ps the FDA is pure sleaze, they aren't looking out for anyone but big pharma and the industrial food complex. An article I skimmed the other day summed it up when it explained:

"And the U.S. government considers a slice of pizza a serving of vegetable -- despite the fact that the pasta sauce earning that designation may well be a more concentrated source of added sugar than standard-issue ice cream topping (yes, I 've done the math)."

source:can't post it
 
D3Baseball said:
It appears the bill has been passed minus the Durbin amendment, pending confirmation...
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thanks for the update, confirmed:

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bill passed, amendment in question tabled.
 
cswalczakny said:
thanks for the update, confirmed:

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bill passed, amendment in question tabled.
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Yes. And for those that don't know, tabling an amendment is the Senate way of saying "we're done debating this and don't like it at all but don't want to use harsh terminology in case we change our minds at a later time"
 
D3Baseball said:
Yes. And for those that don't know, tabling an amendment is the Senate way of saying "we're done debating this and don't like it at all but don't want to use harsh terminology in case we change our minds at a later time"
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So we're all good for now??
 
All good for now....will be addressed at a later date!!
 
USPowders said:
Isn't it great? We spoke and we are being heard....beautiful thing!
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We have brave men and women out there that fought and are still fighting to give us this "right" if we don't exercise these "rights" then the lives that are and were lost for this would be in vain!! This is our country, and WE need to speak. Strength in numbers.....we can and will succeed!!
 
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