30lb cycle?

BigShadow said:
Don't see a lot of talk about them anymore. But I guess they are still alive and kicking. Haven't seen any real ph since methyl 1 test. Thought all this other **** was bunk.
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M1t isn't a pro hormone, never was.
Androgens are androgens, I think you are getting esterfied androgens mixed up with non esterfied androgens.

Pro hormones are androgens, the ones that are inactive, will convert to steroid and have the same effect as its target hormone.
There isn't some magical difference
people need to get a better understanding of steroid hormones.
 
Hate to burst your bubble but methyl 1 test was a pro hormone put out by legal gear. They currently make a ph called methyl 1 d it's now LG science I believe. Garbage compared to what was. That was the name of the pro hormone not the compound involved. Sorry if you misunderstood me along with someone else I see as well.
1 test was an oral methyl-4- andro. Reportedly 7 times more androgenic then testosterone.

Can't post the link but a google search on legal gear methyl 1 test should enlighten you. Ahhhhhh the days before the gov started cracking down on all our fun.
 
BigShadow said:
Hate to burst your bubble but methyl 1 test was a pro hormone put out by legal gear. They currently make a ph called methyl 1 d it's now LG science I believe. Garbage compared to what was. That was the name of the pro hormone not the compound involved. Sorry if you misunderstood me along with someone else I see as well.
1 test was an oral methyl-4- andro. Reportedly 7 times more androgenic then testosterone.

Can't post the link but a google search on legal gear methyl 1 test should enlighten you. Ahhhhhh the days before the gov started cracking down on all our fun.
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You're really going to disagree with me? You need to fire up the ol google and begin reading
Cause you have no idea what you are talking about. Newbs... Jebus help us.
 
So your saying the Steriod methyl 1 test that's an oral that I bought at *** when they used to sell pro hormones before 04 is an anabolic steroid? Haha whose the newbie ....? Your a funny guy so I laid it all out for ya and you still don't get it? Oh well guess we will agree to disagree then.

trulyhuge.com/1_test.html

Here's the link on the review back in 04 genius
 
And just so we are clear I am not talking about the aas 1 test..... So if I'm wrong and the company legal gear was selling illegal steroids to g. N ( ......then I guess I'm really confused! Haha
 
Guess we can agree to disagree I understand that it was a prosteroid but it was labeled as a andro based pro hormone and was lumped into the entire ph ban of 04 which were all andro based pro hormones not anabolic steroids that were banned in 1990.

* Andro Banned

Senate Bill 2195 also called the Andro Ban was passed by unanimous consent in the United States Senate on October 8th, 2004 and has been signed into law by President Bush.
By passing this bill, the Congress has amended the Controlled Substances Act to include virtually all of these supplements such as 1-Testosterone, Methyl 1 Test, etc. The Controlled Substances Act was passed in 1990 and at that time all steroids were classifed as "Schedule III" substances and were put in the same category as heroin, cocaine and other similar narcotics. Now, with the passage of Senate Bill 2195, they have added andro supplements and prohormones to the Controlled Substances Act.

Methyl 1 test was a part of the ph ban ie ........PH
 
I'm thinking of putting you red until you learn something about androgenic/anabolic hormones

And heroine, cocaine and other drugs aren't class three, they are class 1, a different ball park
 
I thought if it required on conversion ie halo or dmz it was considered ph, if it was already active ie methyl test or the original tren, methyl trienolone it was considered ds? That pretty much sums it up right? Or am i totally confused on the argument.
 
superbeast668 said:
I thought if it required on conversion ie halo or dmz it was considered ph, if it was already active ie methyl test or the original tren, methyl trienolone it was considered ds? That pretty much sums it up right? Or am i totally confused on the argument.
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That's what I thought as well but I guess I'm wrong still confused about why it was in a ph ban when It wasn't considered a ph.
 
whats this another schooling in progress?? Subbed..
 
BigShadow said:
That's what I thought as well but I guess I'm wrong still confused about why it was in a ph ban when It wasn't considered a ph.
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They called it a ph ban but it banned designers as well in that. Either way it was a hell of a substance from what ive read.
 
superbeast668 said:
I thought if it required on conversion ie halo or dmz it was considered ph, if it was already active ie methyl test or the original tren, methyl trienolone it was considered ds? That pretty much sums it up right? Or am i totally confused on the argument.
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If you want to make it simple, sure.
But hd is active and doesn't need to convert to bind to the ar.

And tren products contained dienedione, a ph to dienolone.

Methoxy trn and tst contained ordinary trenbolone

Dmz is two di methyl dht molecules boded together with a nitrogen bond.
 
Dug this up off an old thread damn I never realized well I apologize for being ignorant but in my defense it was sold to me as a ph but I never knew. I was also only 24 and very stupid at the time. Here is what I found. This was also 10 years ago.

Is methyl 1 test a pro hormone ?

It was sold as a prohormone but its not. It does not convert to other active compounds like prohormones and is a steroid in it self. Although it is called methy-1-testosterone its has nothing to do with methyl test. It's actually dihydroboldenone. It is to EQ what DHT is to testosterone. It definetly has sides. A lot of people find it harsher than dbol or even drol. It has progestrin like sides and shuts you down hard. Also it is 17-aa so it is liver toxic although oral steroid toxicity is overrated. I would run some milk thistle with it if I was you. If you use it then make sure that you know what you are doing and run a proper PCT with a SERM like clomid and not some OTC ****. I would use it as a kickstart to a test cycle but I wouldnt use it by itself. Actually I would love to try 1-test cypionate the non-methylated version which is way less liver toxic, more effective, and can be run for longer, but you have to brew it or know someone who does as its not very common. IMO dont do it. If you are going to run an oral cycle (which is stupid especially at your age) id rather see you run var or even dbol.
 
BigShadow said:
Dug this up off an old thread damn I never realized well I apologize for being ignorant but in my defense it was sold to me as a ph but I never knew. I was also only 24 and very stupid at the time. Here is what I found. This was also 10 years ago.

Is methyl 1 test a pro hormone ?

It was sold as a prohormone but its not. It does not convert to other active compounds like prohormones and is a steroid in it self. Although it is called methy-1-testosterone its has nothing to do with methyl test. It's actually dihydroboldenone. It is to EQ what DHT is to testosterone. It definetly has sides. A lot of people find it harsher than dbol or even drol. It has progestrin like sides and shuts you down hard. Also it is 17-aa so it is liver toxic although oral steroid toxicity is overrated. I would run some milk thistle with it if I was you. If you use it then make sure that you know what you are doing and run a proper PCT with a SERM like clomid and not some OTC ****. I would use it as a kickstart to a test cycle but I wouldnt use it by itself. Actually I would love to try 1-test cypionate the non-methylated version which is way less liver toxic, more effective, and can be run for longer, but you have to brew it or know someone who does as its not very common. IMO dont do it. If you are going to run an oral cycle (which is stupid especially at your age) id rather see you run var or even dbol.
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Why are you posting this? I wanted you to learn it, not share what Is already common knowledge.
 
jbryand101b said:
I'm on my phone, but hes pushing it, this professor is about to kick him out of school.
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Focking love this sh1t professor jbry!
 
This guy is a fool. M1T is an active steroid, superdrol is an active steroid, epistane is an active steroid, dymethazine is an active steroid, prostanazol is an active steroid, furzabol is a active steroid, mechabol is an active steroid, untradrol...etc. These are not prohormones. In fact, superdrol aka Methasteron is a powerful oral steroid developed by the same pharmacy that developed Anadrol, Methasteron is nearly identical Molecurlarly. Anadrol simply became the drug that made production. Dymethazine is the oral prescription steroid known as roxilon. It's the same drug. No different than Advil versus Motrin. Epistane is methyl epistanol, simply epistanol that was methylated. Methyl 1-test, simple enough. Prostanazol is just non methylated winni, and furzabol is non methyl furazabol. That said, these are designed drugs, active steroids without all the literature that comes with AAS. Now, tren, halodrol, andro, decavol, these are prohormones. An inactive steroid that converts to an active steroid. Hell, even though I stay away from orals anymore, if I had a choice between dbol, Anadrol, and superdrol...I go with superdrol all the way. Im on my phone, but if I could I would certianly post some proof about SD and DMZ being pharmaceutical originated drugs. Look it up.
 
Sorry for calling you a fool big shadow, the thread updated while I was still typing. My apologies, and I respect you for admitting your mistake. That aside, a few orals out there are active drugs, and quite good ones at that. If I wasn't trying to stay away from orals in general I'd grab more due to easy access.
 
Chefbolic said:
This guy is a fool. M1T is an active steroid, superdrol is an active steroid, epistane is an active steroid, dymethazine is an active steroid, prostanazol is an active steroid, furzabol is a active steroid, mechabol is an active steroid, untradrol...etc. These are not prohormones. In fact, superdrol aka Methasteron is a powerful oral steroid developed by the same pharmacy that developed Anadrol, Methasteron is nearly identical Molecurlarly. Anadrol simply became the drug that made production. Dymethazine is the oral prescription steroid known as roxilon. It's the same drug. No different than Advil versus Motrin. Epistane is methyl epistanol, simply epistanol that was methylated. Methyl 1-test, simple enough. Prostanazol is just non methylated winni, and furzabol is non methyl furazabol. That said, these are designed drugs, active steroids without all the literature that comes with AAS. Now, tren, halodrol, andro, decavol, these are prohormones. An inactive steroid that converts to an active steroid. Hell, even though I stay away from orals anymore, if I had a choice between dbol, Anadrol, and superdrol...I go with superdrol all the way. Im on my phone, but if I could I would certianly post some proof about SD and DMZ being pharmaceutical originated drugs. Look it up.
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i'm going to thank you for this post explaining the difference between active and inactive a little bit. i was staring to get confused mostly because i was thinking too deep into it. let me ask this much though. i thought dmz was inactive, the azine bond needed to be cleaved to activate it?
 
I may be wrong, but from my understanding the azine bond simply strips as it is metabolized, allowing for the drug to be released in the body slower so it doesn't hit the liver so dreadfully hard. It is a dimethylated compound, so it's quite harsh, but the azine keeps it from hitting all at once. Like two jabs to the face with an hour In between versus one nasty cross that breaks all of your teeth. Roxilon just never got popular because the dosage for anti wasting purposes is t a deathly dose, so why make it less harsh. Another reason Anadrol remained supreme in that game. And, once again, it is another drug somewhat related to Anadrol. iForce just made it seem like they came out with a great idea, when in reality they just started mass producing a steroid that wasn't scheduled. Again, it could very well be inactive and I am mistaken, but I'm 98% certain it is simply for time release.
 
Chefbolic said:
I may be wrong, but from my understanding the azine bond simply strips as it is metabolized, allowing for the drug to be released in the body slower so it doesn't hit the liver so dreadfully hard. It is a dimethylated compound, so it's quite harsh, but the azine keeps it from hitting all at once. Like two jabs to the face with an hour In between versus one nasty cross that breaks all of your teeth. Roxilon just never got popular because the dosage for anti wasting purposes is t a deathly dose, so why make it less harsh. Another reason Anadrol remained supreme in that game. And, once again, it is another drug somewhat related to Anadrol. iForce just made it seem like they came out with a great idea, when in reality they just started mass producing a steroid that wasn't scheduled. Again, it could very well be inactive and I am mistaken, but I'm 98% certain it is simply for time release.
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im pretty sure you're right now that you've got me thinking. dmz is sd with the azine bond. i just thought it was the inactive little brother because of the azine bond but now that you've got my brain kickstarted... i'm almost certain i've read exactly what you just wrote in researching all of the chemicals that are out there now and that i've been interested in using.
 
The info is out there somewhere haha. Dmz hit the pharmaceutical market in the early to mid 60s, just not as much literature as other drugs.
 
superbeast668 said:
i'm going to thank you for this post explaining the difference between active and inactive a little bit. i was staring to get confused mostly because i was thinking too deep into it. let me ask this much though. i thought dmz was inactive, the azine bond needed to be cleaved to activate it?
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No the azine (nitrogen) bond gets hydrolyzed making it a different steroid than superdrol.
 
Chefbolic said:
This guy is a fool. M1T is an active steroid, superdrol is an active steroid, epistane is an active steroid, dymethazine is an active steroid, prostanazol is an active steroid, furzabol is a active steroid, mechabol is an active steroid, untradrol...etc. These are not prohormones. In fact, superdrol aka Methasteron is a powerful oral steroid developed by the same pharmacy that developed Anadrol, Methasteron is nearly identical Molecurlarly. Anadrol simply became the drug that made production. Dymethazine is the oral prescription steroid known as roxilon. It's the same drug. No different than Advil versus Motrin. Epistane is methyl epistanol, simply epistanol that was methylated. Methyl 1-test, simple enough. Prostanazol is just non methylated winni, and furzabol is non methyl furazabol. That said, these are designed drugs, active steroids without all the literature that comes with AAS. Now, tren, halodrol, andro, decavol, these are prohormones. An inactive steroid that converts to an active steroid. Hell, even though I stay away from orals anymore, if I had a choice between dbol, Anadrol, and superdrol...I go with superdrol all the way. Im on my phone, but if I could I would certianly post some proof about SD and DMZ being pharmaceutical originated drugs. Look it up.
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Halo (chlorodehydromethylandrostenediol) isn't a ph either. Do people even read my post? This is why I give short blunt answers, no point, no one is going to learn anything.
 
Chefbolic said:
I may be wrong, but from my understanding the azine bond simply strips as it is metabolized, allowing for the drug to be released in the body slower so it doesn't hit the liver so dreadfully hard. It is a dimethylated compound, so it's quite harsh, but the azine keeps it from hitting all at once. Like two jabs to the face with an hour In between versus one nasty cross that breaks all of your teeth. Roxilon just never got popular because the dosage for anti wasting purposes is t a deathly dose, so why make it less harsh. Another reason Anadrol remained supreme in that game. And, once again, it is another drug somewhat related to Anadrol. iForce just made it seem like they came out with a great idea, when in reality they just started mass producing a steroid that wasn't scheduled. Again, it could very well be inactive and I am mistaken, but I'm 98% certain it is simply for time release.
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yes, you could be, and are. (wrong)
 
superbeast668 said:
im pretty sure you're right now that you've got me thinking. dmz is sd with the azine bond. i just thought it was the inactive little brother because of the azine bond but now that you've got my brain kickstarted... i'm almost certain i've read exactly what you just wrote in researching all of the chemicals that are out there now and that i've been interested in using.
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And so begins the mis information train.
 
in the hormone profiles in these very forums halodrol is refered to as a PROHORMONE to turanibol. how is that wrong? also. the azine ring is cleaved in stomach acid in dmz leaving you with 2 superdrol molecules. not seeing much incorrect there. please explain it since you know it differently. make others understand.
 
superbeast668 said:
in the hormone profiles in these very forums halodrol is refered to as a PROHORMONE to turanibol. how is that wrong? also. the azine ring is cleaved in stomach acid in dmz leaving you with 2 superdrol molecules. not seeing much incorrect there. please explain it since you know it differently. make others understand.
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Profile is wrong im right. Ive explained it in detail on here and other boards before.
And I already explained both compounds in this thread.
 
jbryand101b said:
Profile is wrong im right. Ive explained it in detail on here and other boards before.
And I already explained both compounds in this thread.
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then show links. like i said make others understand. you're being quite belligerent in your argument doing nothing to help us learn and that's all we're trying to do. infact here's a link for dmz stating exactly what i've said. its two sd molecules bonded with a nitrogen azine ring. found it on 2 sites in less than 30 seconds. every hdrol profile i've seen has shown it as a prohormone.

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A typical prohormone is intended to be a precursor of an Invalid Link Removed like Invalid Link Removed, which is taken in order to boost the body’s available hormone supply. These precursors are intended to be converted to full, active hormones via an Invalid Link Removed process that occurs during Invalid Link Removed, typically resulting in the addition of whichever Invalid Link Removed happen to be missing from the chemical structure of the compound.

Superdrol for example may be listed on some sites as a pro hormone but it is in fact a fully active steroid that requires no conversion.
 
roblasane said:
A typical prohormone is intended to be a precursor of an Invalid Link Removed like Invalid Link Removed, which is taken in order to boost the body's available hormone supply. These precursors are intended to be converted to full, active hormones via an Invalid Link Removed process that occurs during Invalid Link Removed, typically resulting in the addition of whichever Invalid Link Removed happen to be missing from the chemical structure of the compound.

Superdrol for example may be listed on some sites as a pro hormone but it is in fact a fully active steroid that requires no conversion.
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Yup, of which (cdma) if any does convert, is insignificant, diols are able to bind/interact with the androgen receptor, and as such, effects seen from cdma should be attributed to the androgen itself alone.

Dimethazine is not superdrol, even the injected data in vida shows that.

The nitrogen bond is hydrolyzed by the stomach acids, this changes it to a unknown compound, that is still quite different than methyl drostanolone.

And testosterone is a pro hormone to dht.
 
Chefbolic said:
Sorry for calling you a fool big shadow, the thread updated while I was still typing. My apologies, and I respect you for admitting your mistake. That aside, a few orals out there are active drugs, and quite good ones at that. If I wasn't trying to stay away from orals in general I'd grab more due to easy access.
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No problem man I appreciate the insight. As for other comments left I admit my mistake but some people just want to sit and collect insults about school and being a teacher and other bull **** without explaining. I explained why I thought it was a ph and was corrected after doing my own research but this is suppose to be a discussion not about who knows more but about learning more with valid ****ing evidence not a bull **** claim.
 
BigShadow said:
No problem man I appreciate the insight. As for other comments left I admit my mistake but some people just want to sit and collect insults about school and being a teacher and other bull **** without explaining. I explained why I thought it was a ph and was corrected after doing my own research but this is suppose to be a discussion not about who knows more but about learning more with valid ****ing evidence not a bull **** claim.
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Why do I need to validate what I know is right?
The info is out there if you research. Same way I learned it, no one spoon fed me. i shared info, not my fault if someone is to lazy to look up the rest.
And I corrected you long before you went and researched for yourself to find out I was right all along.

If some one doubts me, they should go find out for themselves, just as you did, though not sure why you doubted me.
 
I doubted you cause you didn't really provide any info on your claim. I'm not downing your knowledge bro, I know you and many others out there know eons more then I do but you could be a little more insightful and share your vast knowledge with everyone that may not have as much insight into aas. And that's not sarcasm either btw. I would def look to someone that shares then someone that just puts people down cause they don't know as much. Being a teacher is providing insight not sarcasm and posts about red lining on a steroid that isn't even produced anymore. I haven't looked into m1 t since I took bottles of in with total ignorance 10 years ago. Sorry for my ignorance and look forward to learning everything I can from guys like yourself.
 
BigShadow said:
No problem man I appreciate the insight. As for other comments left I admit my mistake but some people just want to sit and collect insults about school and being a teacher and other bull **** without explaining. I explained why I thought it was a ph and was corrected after doing my own research but this is suppose to be a discussion not about who knows more but about learning more with valid ****ing evidence not a bull **** claim.
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Think you may be mistaken here buddy. The professor comment and school comment is more personal interest. It is well known that in these threads, which happen on average 6-7 times a week, I learn a great deal from the knowledge of good ole jbry. It was at best secondarily directed at you but if you took it that way then so be it. If you are around long enough you'll understand with time.
 
BigShadow said:
I doubted you cause you didn't really provide any info on your claim. I'm not downing your knowledge bro, I know you and many others out there know eons more then I do but you could be a little more insightful and share your vast knowledge with everyone that may not have as much insight into aas. And that's not sarcasm either btw. I would def look to someone that shares then someone that just puts people down cause they don't know as much. Being a teacher is providing insight not sarcasm and posts about red lining on a steroid that isn't even produced anymore. I haven't looked into m1 t since I took bottles of in with total ignorance 10 years ago. Sorry for my ignorance and look forward to learning everything I can from guys like yourself.
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That's the thing, he has given this exact info over and over again in hundreds of threads. Instead of researching and learning from others mistakes people just keep posting misleading info in these threads and then are pissed off when they are out gunned.... I can understand why he says it the way he does.
 
LiveToLift said:
That's the thing, he has given this exact info over and over again in hundreds of threads. Instead of researching and learning from others mistakes people just keep posting misleading info in these threads and then are pissed off when they are out gunned.... I can understand why he says it the way he does.
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Stalker
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Stalker
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Oh god not you again, seems you have your little outbursts once a month. Might need to try an AI bud! ;-)
 
BigShadow said:
I doubted you cause you didn't really provide any info on your claim. I'm not downing your knowledge bro, I know you and many others out there know eons more then I do but you could be a little more insightful and share your vast knowledge with everyone that may not have as much insight into aas. And that's not sarcasm either btw. I would def look to someone that shares then someone that just puts people down cause they don't know as much. Being a teacher is providing insight not sarcasm and posts about red lining on a steroid that isn't even produced anymore. I haven't looked into m1 t since I took bottles of in with total ignorance 10 years ago. Sorry for my ignorance and look forward to learning everything I can from guys like yourself.
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you can still buy m1t in the uk. and other banned steroids from pre ban.
 
jbryand101b said:
you can still buy m1t in the uk. and other banned steroids from pre ban.
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Yes sir-ee bob! Plenty of Alpha one floating around too. On week six of my Dihydroboldenone cyp(10week)/ Alpha One(3 weeks) cycle and I'm up 25 lbs! Haven't touched a weight gainer.
 
BigShadow said:
That's what I thought as well but I guess I'm wrong still confused about why it was in a ph ban when It wasn't considered a ph.
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M1t was already active and required no conversion to be utilized, thus by definition it is a steroid.

Law: The Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 1990 banned steroids known at the time, until Patrick Arnold came along with his idea of steroid precursers and the prohormone movement was born. With the supplement industries race to produce better and better PH's they began looking into steroids that were investigated but never made it to market. These steroids were not banned, as they were not really known about by lawmakers in 1990. That is how m1t came to market. After the BALCO steroid scandal, lawmakers started taking a closer look at PH's and the unknown steroids being sold in the supplement market, and like all idiotic lawmakers, decided to protect us from ourselves by amending the 1990 ASCA with the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004. For simplicity sake they viewed PH's as steroids and added them to the bill.
 
Swordfish II said:
M1t was already active and required no conversion to be utilized, thus by definition it is a steroid.

Law: The Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 1990 banned steroids known at the time, until Patrick Arnold came along with his idea of steroid precursers and the prohormone movement was born. With the supplement industries race to produce better and better PH's they began looking into steroids that were investigated but never made it to market. These steroids were not banned, as they were not really known about by lawmakers in 1990. That is how m1t came to market. After the BALCO steroid scandal, lawmakers started taking a closer look at PH's and the unknown steroids being sold in the supplement market, and like all idiotic lawmakers, decided to protect us from ourselves by amending the 1990 ASCA with the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004. For simplicity sake they viewed PH's as steroids and added them to the bill.
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Thanks man much better defined then some other jokers. Appreciate the knowledge learned!
 
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